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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)
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To Cheisa:
You said: "We ask our friends and family to pray for us all the time. Why not the Apostles, martyrs, saints or angels?"
Because that is the job of our Savior, not of His servants.
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To Homosexual Man:
You have yet to answer my question yet, so I will ask again.
You said: "The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing."
I don't know if it's the "only way," but I do think it's a very constructive way."
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So, let me get this straight. You are agreeing that it is more constructive to give into temptation then to resist?
I just want to be clear on this.
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To Cheisa:
You said: "We all know our worship is always be about Jesus, but we ignore the Apostles and their successors at our peril. They were hand chosen by Jesus to lead His Church, to carry on His teachings and pass them on to the next generation of teachers so His Word would spread and His Church would grow. They were appointed to expound on their understanding of Christ as well, answering questions and settling disputes and misunderstandings for the faithful."
Beloved, you misunderstood what I said about magnify. I'm not saying ignore their work, not at all. That would be very unwise. What I am saying is that they should not be worshiped, prayed to, sought after, etc. Unfortunately, there are denominations out there that do just that, which is nothing more than religion.
After Stephens death, did Paul and the other Apostles pray to Stephen for intercession? The answer is obviously no. Why? If it is important by some church's standards today, then why is this not demonstrated by the Apostles, the hand-chosen of God?
Simply put, religion.
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To Homosexual Man:
You said: "The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing."
I don't know if it's the "only way," but I do think it's a very constructive way."
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So, let me get this straight. You are agreeing that it is more constructive to give into temptation then to resist?
I just want to be clear on this.
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This article is a fine example of how religion can attempt to destroy the church.
To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: The One who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks among the seven golden lampstands, says this: I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot tolerate evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false; and you have perseverance and have endured for My name's sake, and have not grown weary.
'But I have this against you, that you have left your first love.' (Rev 2:1-4)
Beloved, without the love of God in the church, only religion is left. If one leaves the love of God outside, or forgets it entirely, only religion is left. Many congregations unfortunately are merely going through the motions every Sunday, but have left their first love. They know of Jesus, but they do not know Him.
Jesus also said, "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; Depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.'
God never called us to be religious. If one wants to see what God thinks about religion, one only has to read the interactions He had with the Pharisees.
Beloved, if you are questioning whether you are attending a church of religion or a church of relationship, just ask yourself one question on any given Sunday: "Am I walking away a different person, a changed person"?
If you did not, then perhaps you are about religion. I say this because I believe that it is impossible to be in the presence of the Holy Spirit and walk away unchanged. I would then urge you to seek out a place that is not about religion, but about the true worship of the One who shed His blood, that which the Holy Spirit is to remind us.
We are to magnify Him, not the ones He appointed. We are to magnify what He did, not what His appointed did after. The entire central theme to the Bible is Jesus, therefore our worship should as well, don't you think?
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To Mike85:
You said: "My Christian theology is truth."
I agree with Jehovahnissi and others here, in that you do not have the capacity to understand that which is truth anymore. For you have unfortunately been given over to this depravity as you now call that which is evil, good.
Many people, including myself, have given you example after example of that which is written, clearly without conjecture and opinion, but rather simple cut and paste from the Word. Yet you still reject it and call it a blasphemous version of the Bible. You twist and pervert scripture to justify your lifestyle in hopes of swaying other's opinion. If one rejects even the smallest part of the Word, then one rejects all of it. A house divided cannot stand, and God will not allow His house to be divided.
You will most likely go into your usual diatribe and call me a hater and a bigot, but in that I do not care. For every time you and others here open your mouths, you further expose yourselves.
Until Christ comes back for His followers, we will be here counteracting that which you seek to pervert and twist. For you and others here have really never been our audience, but those instead whom you seek to sway with that which you call truth. For you have been given over to your desires, and there is not much that we can do for you anymore, you have been blinded by your own lusts of the flesh and burning in your souls for one another, clearly written about in Romans 1. But for those who have not, these are who we fight for. Those that rarely comment, but read only, those that are struggling to find out what truth really is.
You can call us bigots and haters all you want, for you truly expose yourself when you do. For all we do is tell you what God's word says. We stand on a very good position, we stand on that which is written. And God's Word says that those who stand upon His word will one day have their reward. For all others, they already have their reward.
To Mike85:
You wrote: "Never said I don't believe it....you did though."
Yes you did. You said, and I quote, "JC, to say Jesus spoke against homosexuality is inaccurate. You can say the Holy Spirit, which of course is the spirit of God, inspired men to write the Bible, but Jesus said things with clarity...God whispering to men what to write (and then retranslate) leaves a huge margin of error. That all being said, I do believe the Bible to be the Word of God, but I do not believe it condemns homosexuality when read in context."
To Homosexual Man:
You wrote: "Why are you so stuck on this verse?"
Because this verse is a tell-all verse. It specifically validates the crucifixion and resurrection. It also specifically validates Jesus' authority.
This verse also says that the author of the Old Testament and the New Testament are one in the same. Therefore, just because it is not written in red ink, does not mean that Jesus did not say it. Jesus confirmed this when He said that He and the Father are one. They confirm one another, never contradict. Therefore, beloved, if homosexuality was condemned in the Old Testament, it surely is in the New Testament as well. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. His Kingdom is not subject to our interpretation, but that which was written. I am not interpreting here, I am merely illuminating that which is written. There has been no interpretation, no conjecture. It says what it says, and I am only repeating it.
To Homosexual Man:
You wrote: "I don't disagree with Revelation 19:13. It is possible that I disagree with *you*, but you are not Revelation 19:13."
Why do you continually lie to yourself? Have you been given over to your desires, and now cannot see that which is truth? I certainly hope not, because for those, there is little chance of these seeing Heaven.
You do in fact disagree with Revelation 19:13, you disagree that Jesus condemned homosexuality as an abomination because it is not written in red ink.
You cannot change what is written by constantly attempting to persuade His other followers that it is not written. This is a tactic of Satan that was first used in the Garden. "Did God really say...?"
If you do not agree with that which is written, and since He and His Word are one, you are lying to yourself by calling yourself His son. It really is that simple.
To Garageguy:
You wrote: "JC, I think you're only being half aware when you say that. If that truly was your only intent you would accept it when someone else is aware and content with what they stand on. But repeatedly you are not. When it contradicts your personal beliefs, your intent seems to morph into telling them they are wrong, which in turn I suspect makes you feel you are more right."
These are not just my personal beliefs, I believe these to be God's as well, I mean after all He wrote them, did He not?
You wrote: "Well, now, I think that statement speaks of a closed mind. I often find that two seemingly contradictory things are both true. It depends on one's viewpoint, and we must also admit there is much we don't understand in life. I don't think there is a single, solitary truth."
Beloved, God is truth. If this makes me close-minded because I am standing upon that which is written, then so be it. However, I am standing upon that which is written beloved, what are you standing upon?
Beloved, Jesus said that He was the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Truth will always confirm truth. This is not my truth beloved, these are God's words, not mine. You can spin this anyway you want, but the fact remains, what is written does indeed condemn this particular behavior, and without repentance will lead down a path you will not want to go, as with all sin.
To Mike85:
You wrote: "Uh...JC....I said it is."
But yet, you do not believe it? Why?
To Homosexual Man:
You wrote: "I disagree with statements like "Jesus Himself commanded that gay men must be murdered because it was Jesus Himself who wrote Leviticus 20:13.""
Why do you disagree with Revelation 19:13 then. Is the New Testament His word? Is the Old Testament His Word. That would make the entire book His word, would it not?
If God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, Jesus' words would have aligned perfectly with the Father's words. They would completely agree 100%. If this were not so, Jesus and the Father would have not been one, would they? If you deny one, you deny the other. If you deny what is written, you deny God.
To Mike85:
You said: "JC, to say Jesus spoke against homosexuality is inaccurate. You can say the Holy Spirit, which of course is the spirit of God, inspired men to write the Bible, but Jesus said things with clarity...God whispering to men what to write (and then retranslate) leaves a huge margin of error. That all being said, I do believe the Bible to be the Word of God, but I do not believe it condemns homosexuality when read in context."
Now you are limiting God. He is the God who created the Heavens and the Earth, the finite and the infinite. And now, suddenly you say that He is unable to orchestrate the orientation of one little book? This is somewhat limiting of God's abilities, don't you think?
You, who are so loved by God, you cannot have it both ways. It is either the Word of God or it is not.
To Homosexual Man:
Why do you continually deny that Jesus and the Father are one?
To Mike85:
You said: "JC, I am not your beloved, DO NOT pretend you're Jesus with me. The Bible does not say a lick about the internet, or flying, should we not participate in those either? The Bible DOES NOT condemn homosexuality, and you did not answer any of my questions posed to you, as I suspected you wouldn't."
Okay, I will not call you beloved. Just so you know, it is genuine. This is evidence of Christ in my life that I have love for you, and others, no matter what the circumstances. I don't even know you personally, yet because of Christ in my life, love abounds. Sometimes, it really can get in the way and be rejected by the secular world. The darkness does not comprehend the light.
I am not pretending to be Christ, this would be blasphemous. "JC" is really just my initials, I guess I could have included my middle name, but really didn't think about it.
You said earlier that Jesus never condemned homosexuality. Your assumption is false. Just because it is not written in red ink doesn't mean he didn't say it. Remember the Revelation 19:13 I asked about earlier? Is the Old Testament His word? Is the New Testament His word? Whether it is written in red ink or black ink, or whatever, He still said it. He and the Father are one, this is also written, and was spoke of by Jesus Himself.
You, who are so loved by God, what exactly are you standing upon, and who exactly are you listening to? For His word says what it says, it cannot be changed to fit our desires. He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
To answer your questions, about shellfish and stoning. Jesus did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. He told this to his disciples. He also said to them that it is not what enters the body that defiles the man, but what comes out. As far as the stoning, did He not forgive the prostitute after no one could stone her because of their own sin?
So, where does this leave homosexuality?
To Garageguy:
You said: "JC, I think you have an unhealthy god complex. Why is it so hard to keep your personal belief system confined to your life? Why are you so intent on judging others? Yuck."
My intent is not to judge. Who am I to say that my sin is less than yours, or yours is greater than mine? All men have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. This includes me as well as you, as well as everybody that has been or ever will be in this existence.
My only intent is to illuminate that which one stands upon.
If one holds in their hands two things that claim to be truth, but yet contradict each other, than obviously one of them is not truth. Truth will never contradict truth. The Father will never contradict that which He spoke, if He did, He would not be God.
To Mike85:
This is not a game. It is a learned strategy, one I learned from the Most High. He asked the Pharisees where the baptisms of John the Baptist came from, men or Heaven. Their answer was one of no-contest.
You yourself have proved my point with your last statement beloved. Jesus does indeed condemn homosexuality, you just refuse to see it as it is.
Every reference to marriage in His Word is the joining of one man to one woman, creating one flesh. There are no guidelines for men to men, or women to women, relationships, only men to women. Since these guidelines do not exist, and since it is written in both the Old and New Testament that this is an abomination to Him, then the answer to homosexuality is clear and concise.
Beloved, what does it mean to when it says that we should worship Him in both Spirit and Truth? If one does not acknowledge that everything that is written is truth, how can one worship Him, since that which is written and He are one in the same?
To Mike85:
Beloved, you are avoiding the question. So, I will elaborate.
If you claim that you believe this passage, but yet still reject that homosexuality is an abomination to Jesus, then you are not a Christian. This is known as being double-minded. By this passage, one can definitely say that if one rejects His word, then one rejects Him.
How can one claim to be a follower of Jesus, yet reject Him at the same time. He and His Word are one. These are His words beloved, not mine.
So now, beloved, the only question remains is, since you cannot stand upon what is written, what exactly are you standing upon?
To Mike85:
So do the demons beloved. However, you have still not answered the question. So, I will ask once more:
Do you believe what is written in Revelation, specifically 19:13 - "He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood and His name is called the Word of God"?
To Mike85:
My question was not aimed at whether you believe Christ exists or not.
So, I will ask again. Do you believe what it it says in Revelation 19:13 - "He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God"?
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