Christian Zionist Leader Denounces Evangelicals' Pro-Palestinian Letter

JClovesJahweh »

Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I think it's time for me to go. I've done my part. I hope I caused a few people (especially the athiests) to consider more than their empty beliefs that lead only to the grave. I hope I made a few christians think as well - my hope was that they might see Christ deserves our all, and no man whatsoever is to be trusted. Take care. I'm not coming back to this site. Jesus is coming. His reward is with him. Hold on to the cross with all your might, no matter what people say or do, be they Christian or non-Christian. The bridegrooms door will open and shut in the blinking of an eye, and it will be closed forever. Don't waste your time doing something the Lord doesn't want you to be doing. He has a great reward for those whom he finds so doing upon his return. He will put you in charge of many of his possessions. God bless and be well. To God be the glory. Bye.

A New Breed of Atheist

JClovesJahweh »

Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

Fear of God, yes. Fear of the devil is against my religion. And fear of his children is against my religion. Again, you misunderstand. Because you don't really understand Christianity. How long have you been here on this site, and you still don't understand what is going on? The last time I ignored the existence of the devil, he paid me a personal visit. I was so vulnerable and willing to believe anything other than Jesus that the devil handed me the biggest load of excrement he could think of. It took me years to realize that I had been lied to, and I refuse to let it happen again. You are asking me to let down my guard. It's like asking a soldier to put down his weapon so you can give him a kiss. The devil has failed yet again to get me to let down my guard. I learned my lesson. You're going to have to do better than that. Btw, your belief that the devil does not exist? You are so wide open to an attack, I would not want to be in your shoes. I wore those shoes for many years. It's not fun. You will know what hell is like before you even get there. I got a taste of it myself and it scared me straight.

Christian Zionist Leader Denounces Evangelicals' Pro-Palestinian Letter

JClovesJahweh »

Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Well, we will surely know, when Christ's feet touch the Mount of Olives and he saves Israel from its own foolishness. I am sad that you prefer to believe the Religious Right. But this is your decision. They will fail you. They will disappoint you. "Woe to the man who trusts in man." Don't you see? The Religious Right will betray you. I just hope the Lord can give you the stregth and the grace to stand firm in Jesus. Those you trust in, God is jealous of. He will put your faith to the test, my friend. Be prepared for the shock of your life. Be ready for anything. But, alas, you've decided I am not a Christian and my advice is worthless. Very well. I am not offended. Not at all. It's actually quite fine. In fact, this is the very first time someone from the RR has challenged me. It makes me feel a little odd but I'll work it out with God's help. I am supposed to be glad and jump up and down for joy when someone calls me evil. I am not following Jesus's advice. I am not jumping up and down for joy - I am saddened. But then jumping up and down was never my way of expressing myself. God forgive me. There's a song written by CS Megaphone, "If God's approval is what I seek, yeah, then your disapproval doesn't bother me at all." These lyrics mean more to me now than they ever did. Thank you. God bless you. May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, Dannygirl. May he protect you from all evil, and give you the strength to stand firm in your darkest hour. Lord knows I cannot help you, so it's gonna have to be him who does.

A New Breed of Atheist

JClovesJahweh »

Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Btw, I do know exactly what you are up to. You are the children of the devil, are you not? All I have to do is study what the devil is like and I know exactly what you are like. Don't fool yourselves. D'oh! That's right, the devil does fool himself. Silly me.

A New Breed of Atheist

JClovesJahweh »

Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

I enjoy my life very well, thank you very much. And I am not afraid of atheists, thank you very much. You still don't get it. The above article is anti-atheistic because it is written by a Christian for Christians. You must look at it again and realize what kind of site it was written for or adapted for. I'm sorry, I can't follow people who don't know where they are. You see the word atheist and you think you're home. You think you've found a light in the darkness and these men, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris are your ... what shall I call them? the ones holding the candles in the dark that will lead you to .... what? If I were to look at this from a worldly viewpoint I would say the above article was an attempt to brainwash Christians, and yet you people, unbelievers, suggest I read it again in order to know what this discussion is about. I cannot follow people like you, you are too blind to know what's going on around you. You have decided God does not exist and religion is worthless. You have decided you've won the war but the battle is still going on. How can you believe you've won the war? We Christians, we do believe we've won, via the cross of Christ, so we, according to you, are deluded fools. If we are deluded, then what are you who have no proof that a man's soul does not exist, who have no proof that God does not exist, who have no proof that Israel is not God's chosen nation. How do you win a war if you don't know what the war is about or who is fighting who? You call us evil, and completely ignore the existence of the devil and his contribution to every atrocity that has ever occurred. You say relgion is evil and in the same token ignore the devil's contributions to religion. You are amazing. You people make me shake my head every singke day, and make me glad to be a Christian who believes in the only man who knows what he's talking about, that being Jesus Christ. So, remember, this site is called Christianpost.com? I mean, you did know then when you joined? Have you forgotten what it is called? Do you not read the pro-Christian articles? Or like a horse, are you wearing blinders and see only what you want to see? What if the Anti-Christ asks you what you were doing here among us Christians, what will you say to him? I wonder.

Christian Zionist Leader Denounces Evangelicals' Pro-Palestinian Letter

JClovesJahweh »

Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:29 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

A little clarification: a Chrsitian must be willing to give up everything to follow Christ. This means his possessions, his family, his church (if they reject him that is), his nation, this whole world, and his very life. This is my point. A Christian cannot obey men if it makes him disobey God. if the Religious Right is telling Christians to do wrong, a Christian must leave them and find a better situation, even if it means (as many an OT prophet found out) sleeping in holes in the ground. You have to question what men are asking you to do and see past their smiling faces, and find out if such a thing is what God wants you to do. You have to question my dear, you cannot follow the blind, you will fall into the same pit they will fall into. If you keep your eyes on Jesus and don't let men distract you, then you are on the right path.

Christian Zionist Leader Denounces Evangelicals' Pro-Palestinian Letter

JClovesJahweh »

Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:20 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

The Apostle Paul said he counted everything as garbage for the sake of winning Christ, his heritage, his very life he deemed as nothing in order to gran hold of Jesus. He gave up being a Levite to get close to Jesus, don't you see? Your teachers are tellign you Israel is more important than following God. Don't buy into it. You really do not understand the scriptures, my dear. God will take care of Israel. Israel never needed anyone else's help but his. So try to understand that we must first and foremost be servants of God. Jesus gave up being the king of Israel to be able to sit at the right hand of God - going on two thousand years now. Amazing. If you can understand this, you might move on to being a self-sufficient, mature Christian. God is most important, and if he says, as he has said many times, that he would completely destroy Israel himself (check the story of Moses who prayedthat God would have mercy on Israel and not completely destroy it) then following God's will is what is important. "Not my will but thy will be done." Stop focusing on Israel. God will take care of Israel better than you or I, or any false prophet that exists within the movement called the Religious Right. And many of their prophecies have come to nothing - which therefore makes them false and phoney and if they continue their lies - condemned to hell forever and ever. I hope you understand one day. Jesus himself will do only what his Father desires, and if that means casting men into hell then he will do it without question, without looking back. Try to understand the dynamics of what is going on here. Only God is right. I am wrong, you are wrong, Israel is wrong, America is wrong. Don't you get it? What God says goes.

A New Breed of Atheist

JClovesJahweh »

Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

I am not telling you to get lost, I am asking you if you ARE lost and know not where YOU are. This is not my site, it is however a believer's site, in case you hadn't noticed. I have noticed, however, that unbelievers tend to infiltrate Christian chat-rooms, Christian discussion boards, anything that is Christian that they can go into, and claim it as their own and attempt to make the Christians leave, using insults to them, their God, and their religion. And please do not say this is untrue, every christian on this site, I'm sure, can attest to this fact. I have never gone to an atheistic forum and attempted to take it over or convert people there. Doing so is impolite. However, atheists think it's just fine to do it to us. So be it. Fact is, atheists are quite boring to me since they have not the guts to try God and find out if he exists. We cannot prove him to you, so sorry, only you can do that for yourself - if you have the guts. A Christian can pray before a mountain and it would remove itself and throw itself into the sea and you will still not believe, so play no games with us, we know what you are up to, being the very sons of your true father. Stay here if you like. I was not telling you to leave, but remember, we will not stop telling you that you are sinners, we will not stop telling you that you need the cross of Christ, we will not stop telling you this world is doomed, and most importantly, we will not stop telling you Jesus is coming back. Do you know where you are now? This is important for you to know. Have you figured it out yet?

Christian Zionist Leader Denounces Evangelicals' Pro-Palestinian Letter

JClovesJahweh »

Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Dispensationalism? Are you kidding? We never had to worry about any of this. The Lord told us to love one another and wait for him, that's all we were told to do. Who cares about the rest of it, which will happen whether we want it to or not? Who cares? Keep oil in your lamps, Jesus said. Why do I have to study the age of law, the age of grace, the age of judgement, the age of peace, and eternity? What does any of that have to do with the price of rice in China? All I have to know is that this present age is evil. Keep your Dispensationalism and your maps and your Rapture Wall-Posters which sell for what nowadays? $15.99 ??? Give us a break.

Afghan Official: Troops Ready for Hostage Rescue

JClovesJahweh »

Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:11 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Uh, yeah, okay, if that doesn't smack of some sort of pro-Bush propaganda I don't know what does. I see people here writing about "peace in the Middle East", I see even those in the ME are getting together to try and work things out. I am commanded by the Lord not to believe any of it. Peace will not come to that area of the world as long as Satan is still roaming this earth and walking up and down upon it. He has to go. He has to be taken out of the picture, and his children must go with him. Do not try to convince me peace in the ME is possible, you are wasting your time. I care not who you are, minister, Jew, peace-maker. Only the Prince of Peace can accomplish peace in the ME, and we must wait for him. At this moment he sits at the right hand of God, but the time will come for him to rise up and descend and make his enemies a footstool for his feet. And to his kingdom of peace there shall be no end. "Come all of you who are weary and carrying burdens and I will give you rest," he said. That is a promise, and he is no liar that he should not make it happen.

Christian Zionist Leader Denounces Evangelicals' Pro-Palestinian Letter

JClovesJahweh »

Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I agree that "spiritual Israel" will receive the promises, but, God will not abandon the physical nation of Israel, he will use it to show the whole world that he is greater than anything the nations of the world can set up against it. This is really bad new for those who hate Israel and seek to destroy it. God will show how powerful he is. I once heard a story, though I don't know how true it is. That Israel was at war and its enemies were coming against it, and a swarm of insects, locusts of something or other, chased away the enemy. Now this could be pure myth, modern urban legend, but if you think this is impossible you had better think again. Israel's enemies are dealing with a nation that worships the true God of this universe and are in great danger. You can go up against an idol-worshipping culture and laugh at the fact that its people warn you that some weird-looking idol will seek vengeance on you for your deeds, but, do not play games with the Living God and expect to get away with it in this life or the next. Anyone who does this is blind and knows not what is in store for him. If you give weapons to Israel's enemies, you had better be prepared to face the consequences.

Christian Zionist Leader Denounces Evangelicals' Pro-Palestinian Letter

JClovesJahweh »

Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

All men must pay for their sins and cannot tell God others made them do it. They cannot tell God they had to leave the faith and join another religion to save their necks. They have no excuse for throwing babies and catching them with the tips of swords as was done in previous warrior cultures. Jew, Palestinian, Christian, Hindu, it matters not what you are, you will stand before God and be judged for you deeds, be they good or bad. John Wayne will tremble before God and not speak arrogantly towards him as some fool once suggested. Get it straight, God is against sin and it matters not who commits the sin - God will ask him to account for himself, whether the act was in self-defense or for revenge. It is guaranteed - we are in big trouble.

Christian Zionist Leader Denounces Evangelicals' Pro-Palestinian Letter

JClovesJahweh »

Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I'm going to give you guys an example of something and then I'd like any of you to reply ...

Let's say I'm a very rich man (which I am not, thank God), and I take a look at your neighborhood and believe things need to be changed. So, a package arrives from me at your doorstep with a note saying, "Something bad is going to happen, use these to defend yourself." You open the package and see that there are more uzi machineguns than you can carry and enough ammo to start World War III. The same day an even bigger package of weapons arrives at the hangout of the local Motorcycle Gang with a note saying, "The blacks are coming, arm yourslves." Then weapons are sent to churches, bars, even little kids in the street receive hand grenades, all at my expense. Old ladies have Magnums in their purses, old men have canes with knives that pop out of their tips, and I go on teevee to make a speech. "Hello, ladies and gentlemen," I say, "what I did for your town was in your best interest, and for your own good health. Have a nice day. Btw, the blacks said the whites stink." So, how is this any different from what is now being done in the Middle East? The Jews bought weapons, now the Saudis will get special weapons that can disable many of the Jews' defenses. The only conclusion we can come to is that America WANTS them to kill each other. And they are hiding behind many faithful, righteous, and sincere Zionists to accomplish all of this.

God cannot possibly be happy with this. If they think they can wipe Israel off the map by without doing it themselves and making someone else do it, they are greatly mistaken. God knows their plans and he will thwart them, and make their plans backfire on them. The enemy of Israel is the enemy of God, and it does not matter if Israel commits great sins (he will deal with Israel's sins eventually), God is going to keep his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He will also avenge the prophets who were murdered. Even though Christ's death became our salvation, those who killed him are in for a punishment that has not even been described. Those who killed the Apostles will also pay. Those who threw the Christians to the lions are still waiting in another dimension for God to judge them.

Christian Zionist Leader Denounces Evangelicals' Pro-Palestinian Letter

JClovesJahweh »

Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

One would think from the following verses that God is a anti-semite, when what he actually is is anti-sin ...

Ezekiel 5

5 "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: This is Jerusalem, which I have set in the center of the nations, with countries all around her. 6 Yet in her wickedness she has rebelled against my laws and decrees more than the nations and countries around her. She has rejected my laws and has not followed my decrees.

7 "Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: You have been more unruly than the nations around you and have not followed my decrees or kept my laws. You have not even [a] conformed to the standards of the nations around you.

8 "Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I myself am against you, Jerusalem, and I will inflict punishment on you in the sight of the nations. 9 Because of all your detestable idols, I will do to you what I have never done before and will never do again. 10 Therefore in your midst fathers will eat their children, and children will eat their fathers. I will inflict punishment on you and will scatter all your survivors to the winds. 11 Therefore as surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, because you have defiled my sanctuary with all your vile images and detestable practices, I myself will withdraw my favor; I will not look on you with pity or spare you. 12 A third of your people will die of the plague or perish by famine inside you; a third will fall by the sword outside your walls; and a third I will scatter to the winds and pursue with drawn sword.

13 "Then my anger will cease and my wrath against them will subside, and I will be avenged. And when I have spent my wrath upon them, they will know that I the LORD have spoken in my zeal.

14 "I will make you a ruin and a reproach among the nations around you, in the sight of all who pass by. 15 You will be a reproach and a taunt, a warning and an object of horror to the nations around you when I inflict punishment on you in anger and in wrath and with stinging rebuke. I the LORD have spoken. 16 When I shoot at you with my deadly and destructive arrows of famine, I will shoot to destroy you. I will bring more and more famine upon you and cut off your supply of food. 17 I will send famine and wild beasts against you, and they will leave you childless. Plague and bloodshed will sweep through you, and I will bring the sword against you. I the LORD have spoken."

Christian Zionist Leader Denounces Evangelicals' Pro-Palestinian Letter

JClovesJahweh »

Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Dannygirl, how can I hate the Jews? My Savior is a Jew, my wife is a Jew, my favorite book was written by Jews (and one or two Greeks - how did they get in there?) and some of my best therapists were Jews too. Dannygirl, it's fine. Relax.

Christian Zionist Leader Denounces Evangelicals' Pro-Palestinian Letter

JClovesJahweh »

Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I think you would have to speak to a Jew who was given millions by the Religious Right to see exactly what he did with it. But I don't know anyone specific, so the search will have to be your own. Be prepared for the worst, okay? One clue would be the minister called Hagee, but I will say no more. I saw the Palestinians sancing in the streets, I was shocked, then I simply felt sorry for them. I read two differenrt accounts of that teacher who was "forced to convert to Islam" in one she was forced in the other she did it willingly. I don't know who to believe. And you can count that the Religious Right if they took over America for Jesus would try to force people to become Christians - it be the Spanish Inquisition all over again - God forbid. They have said so, all you have to do is read their speeches. You see? Now you've gone and made me tell you rather ugly things about people you trust in and count on to tell you the truth. Well, maybe your faith can handle it. I don't know. Am I a Christian? Yes. But not if you were to ask your ministers, they would say no. But I don't care what they say. I know my redeemer lives, and I know he rescued me from a fate worse than death. I know no man or woman can separate me from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus. I also don't care if the Muslims come, or the Communists, or the Ugly Americans, or the Chinese. If God is for me, who can be against me? Take care. And don't you worry about my soul - I will take care of that. Weep for your own soul and for the souls of your loved ones. If you trust in no man, no man can possibly disappoint you.

A New Breed of Atheist

JClovesJahweh »

Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

As for my obsession with death, what did you expect? You came to a site that follows a man who was nailed to a cross! I really don't understand you people. I don't know why you are so taken aback by these things. You come to a site that worships a crucified man and ... what is it you expected to find? Stories about running in grassy fields with your favorite dog? What are yuo doing here? What are you searching for, my friend? Do you even know? Christianity is based on animal sacrifice, which we believe wa symbolic of a specfifc human sacrifice. We are a religion that focuses on blood and thorns and spears in one's side and nails through hands and feet. You really need to figure out exactly where you are and why you are here. This is the most important message we have to offer you, so if you can't handle it, or don't like it, you had better find something else to entertain yourself. Please, please, please, figure it out. For your sake and ours as well, because if you can't work it out we can't help you.

A New Breed of Atheist

JClovesJahweh »

Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

You got it mostly right, which only means you got certain things wrong. I don't have very many enemies, not yet anyway. As for love, I love a lot of people, my friends, my neighbors. You don't really know anything about me to say I don't know how to love. And please don't interpret my mistrust of people as hate, that's very unfair. People very close to me know I don't trust them, I have told them so. Yet they still love me. I don't know why this bothers you. Perhaps you simply cannot say to someone you need to get close to, that you can never really trust them. I have no problem saying this. I don't trust the President of the United States. You see? Very easy to say. I don't trust my parents or my brothers and sisters. Very easy. Because it is true, and truth only hurts whoever is offended. But that is not my problem. I will never trust you either. Nor the police. Nor any church organization. To do so is against my religion. I would, however, feed you if you were hungry, or clothe you if you needed clothes. I would not give you money to buy booze or drugs. I will never again trust ANYBODY THAT WALKS THIS FILTHY EARTH!!! This is not hate, it is a lesson well learned, from ahving trusted too often. You just simply missed your opportunity to be one of those who could use me for their own ends. I also suggest that you yourself not trust anybody, not even me. Is that fair? Learn to trust in the Lord. The sooner the better. Time is running out. God bless.

A New Breed of Atheist

JClovesJahweh »

Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Always remember, it's called the evolutionary "Theory", you know? THEORY. T.H.E.O.R.Y. I they believe in a theory that's fine but please don't call it fact, since it is a t-h-e-o-r-y, okay? And my fanaticism, you don't have to really worry about. I'm not gonna kidnap your kids, I'm not going to rape your wife, or impregnate your sister, or cheat you out of your house. There are, however, others who are more than happy to do these things. they are usually called atheists. We christians, we tend to kill and massacre people in groups, as in the Crusades. I would never join a Crusade of that kind. In fact, I would probably call you on the phone and warn you that they are coming for you. Would you do that for me? I would appreciate the heads up. You see, Jesus told us the people who would kill us would believe they are doing it in the name of God. These mass-murderers of us Christians are very religious people. So, I'm not as much worried about you as your next door religious neighbor planning my demise. So, if you hear of anything, let me know. If I hear of anything that's really weird, I'll let you know. for example, the Religious Right? You know them? Of course you do. One of their groups released a pamphlet that listed what they would do to those who disagreed with them. Gays, for instance, were to be executed according to Old Testament Law. Uh, don't trust the Religious Right. Oaw, man. My warning comes a little too late, does it not? Maybe if we had met years ago? No matter. They are still a big problem. Their leaders are so-called prophets who have made prophetic mistakes. Google their names and add "false prophecy" to you entry while you can, while the internet is still available to you, before they take it away from you. Hagee and all those evil men, they are all liars and are misleadign many. Even Billy Graham has doubted the power of the cross to save and has said there might be other ways for men to be saved, it's up to God in th end. So, I will trust no minister, no pastor, no Pope, no Cardinal, no priest, no Bible Scholar, no Christian at all. I have learned my lesson. And if I will trust no Christian, you yourself, and people like you, stand no chance of gaining my trust whatsoever. Hey, I've made so many mistakes, I don't even trust myself. So, have a nice safe day, God bless, and keep your eyes and ears open for us all, and we'll try to do the same for you. Take care.

A New Breed of Atheist

JClovesJahweh »

Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:39 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

It depends on what one is talking about, my friend. If one is indeed talking about three headed whatevers, then one is not discussing a deity. If one says there is no God, one says this to the whole world or rather many people listen. Not too many people, unless they are drunk, would listen to tales about three headed this or that. To say there is no God is a conclusive statement, it is a definite and conclusive viewpoint. A true prophet according to the scriptures is a man or woman who never gets it wrong. You can forget about your dictionary definitions. We rely on God's definitions not man's. You trust men. We trust God. Big difference. Your people will fail you. Our God will never let us be put to shame. And again, you take my reference literally, you literalist. Like the guys who wrote the books against God these discussions are based on, they have decided God does not exist, without proof of any kind, for if God does not want to be found who can possibly find him? He is hidden from our eyes for a reason, that reason being is that men would simply die on the spot just by looking at him. No man can see God and live.