Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:56 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

BobTX
Creating Man through evolution would require tht lesser animal life be created first. It is clear in Gen 2 that man was first created from dust and the breathe of God. He then ceated animals for Adam to name and reign over.This is in direct conflict with macroevolution. By reading Gen one I can see how you get your answers to post 1, but God clarifies His positiion in Gen 2. Please tell me how you justify post 1 given the chronological order God tells us in Gen 2. Thanks

Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

sorry guys I am typing quickly in between doing other things

Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

ifeelfine72
i agree with you that God can not box, His way of thinking are not our ways of thinking and his ways of doing things are not our way of doing things, so we must be careful not to say absloutes about science and God in areas he did not inform us on(such as how the universe stays togeter). At the same time we must not dismiss the absolutes He has given us in areas( such as creation of Man) becuase our limited understanding of evidence we have compounded by definition that Man has given to things.

Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:29 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

The trouble with some people being able to accept macroevolution as it is deemed today is because they read only Genesis 1 without reading Genesis 2. Upon reading chapter one you can get the impression it happened in a macro type way because it does not put events of day 5 in chronological order. Reading Chapter two we can clearly see that God created Man before creating animals.

Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

agent
"Yes, and no. 'long time' is arbitrary here, it could be 50 years, or 1 million years. What matters is reproductive isoloation, and this is observed, so yes we've witnessed the formation of new species from ancestral ones."

you are stuck on definitions that man has given to things where as I am not. The definition of species has evolved just as much as the explaination of evolution has. The nature of bilogical science is that it leaves things open to new definitions to better fit data. If we left the defintion of species to that of a completely new creation reproductive isolation does not fit in determining a new species because a Finch is still a Finch regardless if it mates with another Finch or is viable in producing offspring with another finch.

Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:02 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

ifeelfine72
Macroevolution says that new species arrive over long periods of time, with each species originating(evolving) from a species already here, i.e a new creation. Therefore all creation then can only come from one species of origin. Thus Man was created over time from a one cell organsim that came into existence due to various material randomly associating and forming this existence. The evolution continued to a vast arry of species to which the ape was formed before Man, and Man coming from this ape. Microevolution allows God to be the creator and says there are differences in a given species due to these evolutionary steps however new species are not created but changed due to environmental changes. i.e features may change but not the creation.Humans are always humans and finches are always finches, but beak size and feather length may change periodically because they allowed a species to survive.

Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

ifeelfine72
macroeveloution as described by most evolutionist leaves no room for you to think Man was created in God's image only microevolution would allow you to do that.

Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Star2
I beleive in microevolution, however my view of micro vs macro maybe different then some. Alot has to do with how people want to classify species, and it must be noted that the classification of a new species has taken many turns throughout the years, unfortunately many biologist have limited it to a way in which I would whole heartily disagree with the current view and how it applies to macroevolution and us evolving from Apes. i beleive God created all species seperately and that no new species arrives from that

Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

The bible needs to be read literal at times and allegorically at other times. When Christ said he came so that the blind will see he used a physical blind man to prove his point, however he was referencing people's inability to understand the bible and live that life, and for those who could not grasp the concept of God as the supreme being.
Romans when read entirely refers to death of freedom by enslavement of our bodies to sin, the physical death brought by that sin, and the spiritual death due to the loss of purity and perfection that keeps us from having a relationship with the Father. This is what is brought by one man Adam. Christ came and through one man wea re dead to the enslavement of sin by calling upon Him, our physical death is overcome because we will be reserected into a new heavenly body, and our spiritual death is overcome due to the atonement of Christ's blood and His grace suffenciency to restore our relationship with the father.

Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

beleiver
this quaote isw from an earlier post I made which I feel answers your question if I believe in micro or maco evolution.
"Science explains life in terms of the ability of a cell to function under given conditions. The bible clearly uses it in terms of consciousness of ones self. In this the plant is dead spiritually but alive biologically. Now evolution can be shown to happen in plants due to climate change, and mineral deposits, due to mining, caused selection for a variety of grass that had a mutation that allowed for it to grow in that harsh environment. Therefore the biological function of our earthly bodies can go under evolution, and I believe it is the divine intelligence of God who used this concept to combat against the sin brought into this world. I believe God created man as he is and he created the monkey world as they are, we did not have to evolve from Apes. God from the beginning made us as we are. Needing only to make a few changes in our DNA, he created all beings of life and got the vast differences in our appearances and aptitude. God has created selection pressures during judgments such as the flood, plagues, and the destruction of entire cities that can account for certain evolutionary statistics. Just the same the sin in this world causes selection pressures the same. God said he use all things good or bad for his greater good."

Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:23 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

believer
I do not see how your statements have been inconsistent. I agree with you that it was all good in the beginning and the sin of man created destruction. Our spirits became a slave to this earthly body. God, using all things good or bad for His glory, in his infinite wisdom, uses the bad from this curse( i.e evolution) to help keep his creation alive and prospering til His Son returns. He could have used other means sure enough, but I think it speaks to His glory to defeat the curse of sin by using the effects of sin to fight each other off. For example when sin entered this world it allowed our earthly bodies to be imperfect thus mutations happen to our DNA. The same sin causes diseases to happen in this world, but in Africa sickle cell disease also fights Malaria thus allowing his creation to survive. So to that the glory is GODS

Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:39 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Thanks for the help
I consider myself a creationist that believes in evolution. The stigma that the theory came from an atheist tends to cloud some peoples way of acceptance. Many theorys of Einsteins to explain the quantum physical world are accepted by Christian scientist, but are also accepted as way in some scientist to explain how the universe came into existence, however when another scientist tried to use his work to explain certain probabilities he quickly retorted to him God does not play dice, meaning a common creator uses a central theme that in this there are no probabilities but operate under absolutes.
Science explains life in terms of the ability of a cell to function under given conditions. The bible clearly uses it in terms of consciousness of ones self. In this the plant is dead spiritually but alive biologically. Now evolution can be shown to happen in plants due to climate change, and mineral deposits, due to mining, caused selection for a variety of grass that had a mutation that allowed for it to grow in that harsh environment. Therefore the biological function of our earthly bodies can go under evolution, and I believe it is the divine intelligence of God who used this concept to combat against the sin brought into this world. I believe God created man as he is and he created the monkey world as they are, we did not have to evolve from Apes. God from the beginning made us as we are. Needing only to make a few changes in our DNA, he created all beings of life and got the vast differences in our appearances and aptitude. God has created selection pressures during judgments such as the flood, plagues, and the destruction of entire cities that can account for certain evolutionary statistics. Just the same the sin in this world causes selection pressures the same. God said he use all things good or bad for his greater good.

Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I can not get my entire comment to post. it keeps cutting it off. any suggestions?

Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Just my opinion
I consider myself a creationist that believes in evolution. The stigma that the theory came from an atheist tends to cloud some peoples way of acceptance. Many theorys of Einstein’s to explain the quantum physical world are accepted by Christian scientist, but are also accepted as way in some scientist to explain how the universe came into existence, however when another scientist tried to use his work to explain certain probabilities he quickly retorted to him God does not play dice, meaning a common creator uses a central theme that in this there are no probabilities but operate under absolutes. Science explains life in terms of the ability of a cell to function under given conditions. The bible clearly uses it in terms of consciousness of one’s self. In this the plant is dead spiritually but alive biologically. Now evolution can be shown to happen in plants due to climate change, and mineral deposits, due to mining, caused selection for a variety of grass that had a mutation that allowed for it to grow in that harsh environment. Therefore the biological function of our earthly bodies can go under evolution, and I believe it is the divine intelligence of God who used this concept to combat against the sin brought into this world. I believe God created man as he is and he created the monkey world as they are, we did not have to evolve from Apes. God from the beginning made us as we are. Needing only to make a few changes in our DNA, he created all beings of life and got the vast differences in our appearances and aptitude. God has created selection pressures during judgments such as the flood, plagues, and the destruction of entire cities that can account for certain evolutionary statistics. Just the same the sin in this world causes selection pressures the same. God said he use all things good or bad for his greater good.

Evolution and Christianity Impossible to Reconcile, Says Evangelical Theologian

James Reynolds »

Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Just my opinion
I consider myself a creationist that believes in evolution. The stigma that the theory came from an atheist tends to cloud some peoples way of acceptance. Many theorys of Einstein’s to explain the quantum physical world are accepted by Christian scientist, but are also accepted as way in some scientist to explain how the universe came into existence, however when another scientist tried to use his work to explain certain probabilities he quickly retorted to him God does not play dice, meaning a common creator uses a central theme that in this there are no probabilities but operate under absolutes. Science explains life in terms of the ability of a cell to function under given conditions. The bible clearly uses it in terms of consciousness of one’s self. In this the plant is dead spiritually but alive biologically. Now evolution can be shown to happen in plants due to climate change, and mineral deposits, due to mining, caused selection for a variety of grass that had a mutation that allowed for it to grow in that harsh environment. Therefore the biological function of our earthly bodies can go under evolution, and I believe it is the divine intelligence of God who used this concept to combat against the sin brought into this world. I believe God created man as he is and he created the monkey world as they are, we did not have to evolve from Apes. God from the beginning made us as we are. Needing only to make a few changes in our DNA, he created all beings of life and got the vast differences in our appearances and aptitude. God has created selection pressures during judgments such as the flood, plagues, and the destruction of entire cities that can account for certain evolutionary statistics. Just the same the sin in this world causes selection pressures the same. God said he use all things good or bad for his greater good.

eHarmony Agrees to Provide Same-Sex Dating Service

James Reynolds »

Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I wouldn't cave in over preferences this is ridiculous. I would rather shutdown my business. Mr. warren is a christian and that is why it was not offered. Mr. Warren should not cave in and if his hand was forced by the judge, he should gracefully close his doors. Greed has taken a hold of him if he refuses to obey his Lord

Poll: Calif. Marriage Amendment Takes Lead

James Reynolds »

Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:30 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Thank you Lord is all I have to say

Evangelical Dismisses Obama Faith Buttons as 'Clever Packaging'

James Reynolds »

Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

scitsonga
what lies are being spread?
the truth is out there look for yourselves. I understand some stories from sources are not completely truthful, but I try to find out what ones are. That somtimes means reading the bills themself, or doing article searches around the time the storyline falls. Chicago tribune did a real nice story on how he took everyone to court to have them thrown off the state senate ballot so he could win his first race.

Evangelical Dismisses Obama Faith Buttons as 'Clever Packaging'

James Reynolds »

Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

ifeelfine72
Just watch the documentry on obama on cnn they play it every so often. Fox also has done one on him. Second I am very busy right now so I do not get to post very often. So I apologize in advance for that, I assure you I would not make things up though for I know I would answer to God on that.

Evangelical Dismisses Obama Faith Buttons as 'Clever Packaging'

James Reynolds »

Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Obama after graduating from law school went to work at a law office in chicago for three years before running for office. During that time he sat on boards where he got paid too. He left the community organizing business went he went to law school. He went from the law office to the state senate. Where he asked Jones to make him a US senator. He got his name on as sponsor on bills he never worked on, his success are not his own.