Students Challenged to Study Evolution, Think for Themselves

JoeU »

Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:58 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

Two things:

1.)
Cheisa wrote:
"I can't recommend any particular reading. What I stated is, basically, the view of the Catholic Church regarding evolution."

Appended is a recommended article
that summarized Catholic magisterial statements
regarding Genesis, creation, and evolution:

(partial quote)
- Genesis does not contain purified myths. (Pontifical Biblical Commission 1909)

- Genesis contains real history-it gives an account of things that really happened. (Pius XII)
. . .
- Evolution must not be taught as fact, but instead the pros and cons of evolution must be taught. (Pius XII, Humani Generis)


Partial quote from:
What Does The Catholic Church Teach about Origins?
http://www.kolbecenter.org/church_teaches.htm

Further reference:
See Genesis 1-11
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis1-11;&version=31

2.)
Cheisa also wrote:
"It seems like a desperate stretch to me, trying to put a gap between two verses of Genesis, but if it ...does away with the silly theory of men living side by side with dinosaurs, I'll take it."

Yes, it is a "desperate stretch" to add "a gap"
or anything else to God's word.

It is God's word that tells us:
people lived "side by side with dinosaurs"

e.g.
Job 40 (NIV)
15 "Look at the behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.

16 What strength he has in his loins,
what power in the muscles of his belly!

17 His tail sways like a cedar;
. . .
19 He ranks first among the works of God

Job 41 (NIV)
1 "Can you pull in the leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down his tongue with a rope?
2 Can you put a cord through his nose
or pierce his jaw with a hook?
. . .
8 If you lay a hand on him,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!
9 Any hope of subduing him is false;

For the full quote, see:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job40:15-24,Job41;&version=31

See also:
What Really Happened to the Dinosaurs?
by Ken Ham
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/what-happened-to-the-dinosaurs

Students Challenged to Study Evolution, Think for Themselves

JoeU »

Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:53 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

Comments by logicshouldprevail & klm68
included this question:

"Why/how did humans, as well as many other species form into male and female counterparts"

Humans, as well as many other species,
were created, at the beginning,
as male and female:

Genesis 1:27
"So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them."

Mark 10:6
"... at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.'"

See: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark10:6,Gen.1:27&version=NIV

Creationists to Mark 'Darwin Day' with Anti-Evolution Conference

JoeU »

Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:22 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

An interesting on-line article is entitled:
"What Does The Catholic Church Teach about Origins?"
http://kolbecenter.org/church_teaches.htm

(partial quote)

- Genesis does not contain purified myths.(Pontifical Biblical Commission 1909)

- Genesis contains real history - it gives an account of things that really happened. (Pius XII)
...
- Evolution must not be taught as fact, but instead the pros and cons of evolution must be taught. (Pius XII, Humani Generis)"

Scientists, Theologians Gather for Vatican Conference on Evolution

JoeU »

Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

sscitsongas
wrote:

"2. The same scientific principals that are used to date the age of rocks, sediment, fossils and the strata in which they are found are the very same scientific principals that make ... MRI ... possible."

FYI

Dr Raymond Damadian,
a creationist scientist,
is the inventor of the MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) scanner.

(Partial quote)
Dr Damadian’s invention has earned him several top awards, including the United States’ National Medal of Technology, the Lincoln-Edison Medal, and induction into the National Inventors Hall of Fame alongside Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell and the Wright brothers. . . .

- Raymond Damadian first filed patents on his machine following his pioneering scientific paper in 1971, which was the first time anyone had shown it was possible to use MRI to distinguish between healthy and diseased tissue.

- He currently holds dozens of patents which list him as the inventor.

- As recently as 2001, the Lemelson-MIT program bestowed its lifetime achievement award on Dr Damadian as ‘the man who invented the MRI scanner’."

See:
The not-so-Nobel decision
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i4/nobel.asp
And
Super-scientist slams society’s spiritual sickness!
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v16/i3/science.asp

For a list
of many other
creationist scientists,
see: http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/

Scientists, Theologians Gather for Vatican Conference on Evolution

JoeU »

Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:42 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

Parts of the article say:
"The five-day conference, sponsored by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, is the latest initiative in an effort by the Vatican to promote dialogue between scientists and theologians. ... The Catholic Church rejects a fundamentalist interpretation of the Creation story in Genesis, regarding the six-day account as an allegory. ... Benedict said ... "There is no opposition between faith's understanding of creation and the evidence of the empirical sciences," he said, quoting from Popes Pius XII and John Paul II. "

Appended are a few previous Catholic statements regarding "the Creation story in Genesis". Included are statements from the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Pope Pius XII and some "Cutting-edge science" "

Of special interest is the following:
- Evolution must not be taught as fact, but instead the pros and cons of evolution must be taught. (Pius XII, Humani Generis)

From:
What Does The Catholic Church Teach about Origins?
http://www.kolbecenter.org/church_teaches.htm

- Genesis does not contain purified myths. (Pontifical Biblical Commission 1909)

- Genesis contains real history—it gives an account of things that really happened. (Pius XII)
...
- All the Fathers who wrote on the subject believed that the Creation days were no longer than 24-hour-days. (Consensus of the Fathers of the Church)
...
- Evolution must not be taught as fact, but instead the pros and cons of evolution must be taught. (Pius XII, Humani Generis)

- Investigation into human “evolution” was allowed in 1950, but Pope Pius XII feared that an acceptance of evolutionism might adversely affect doctrinal beliefs.

WhatDoes Cutting-Edge Science Teach about Origins?

- Molecules-to-man evolutionary theory violates the second law of thermodynamics by positing spontaneous increases in order through random interactions of matter.

- Matter from explosions does not condense to form objects like galaxies.

- Chemicals do not react together randomly to form amino acids through natural processes.

- Amino acids do not randomly interact to form living cells through undirected natural processes.

- Molecules-to-man evolutionism violates the Law of Biogenesis: Life does not come from non-life.

- The specific complexity of genetic information in the genome does not increase spontaneously. Therefore, there is no natural process whereby reptiles can turn into birds, land mammals into whales, or chimpanzees into human beings.
...
- As now used by evolutionary scientists there is virtually no value in radio dating as an objective source of prehistoric chronology.

- Many worldwide natural processes indicate an age for the earth of 10,000 years or less. These include population kinetics, influx of radiocarbon into earth’s atmosphere, absence of meteorites from the geologic column, and decay of earth’s magnetic field.
...
- There is no gradualism in the fossil record, no intermediate types."

'Expelled' DVD Releases Without 'Imagine' Song

JoeU »

Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

For those who have not yet seen the
Ben Stein documentary:

"EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed"

visit:
http://www.ExpelledTheMovie.com/video.php

to view
3 movie trailers
and a Bill O'Reilly interview.
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Professor Dismayed over Christians Rejecting Evolution

JoeU »

Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:40 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Why are "Christians Rejecting Evolution" ?

Many (Catholic) Christians are rejecting evolution
for various reasons, including:

1.) Scientific reasons:
- Molecules-to-man evolutionism violates the Law of Biogenesis: Life does not come from non-life.
- The specific complexity of genetic information in the genome does not increase spontaneously. Therefore, there is no natural process whereby reptiles can turn into birds, land mammals into whales, or chimpanzees into human beings.

2.) Traditional Catholic Teaching about Origins?
- Genesis does not contain purified myths. (Pontifical Biblical Commission 1909)
- Genesis contains real history—
it gives an account of things that really happened. (Pius XII) . . .
- Evolution must not be taught as fact, but instead the pros and cons of evolution must be taught. (Pius XII, Humani Generis)

3.) Biblical reasons:
St. Peter and Christ Himself in the New Testament confirmed the global Flood of Noah. It covered all the then high mountains and destroyed all land dwelling creatures except eight human beings and all kinds of non-human creatures aboard the Ark (Unam Sanctam, 1302)

4.) ... the Papal Oath,
which solemnly warns the pope against propagating any new teaching:

The oath which each pope is required to take states:

"I vow to change nothing of the received Tradition,
. . .
to encroach upon, to alter, or to permit any innovation therein;
. . .
I swear to God Almighty and Savior Jesus Christ that I will keep
. . . whatever the first councils and my predecessors have defined and declared.
. . .
I will put outside the Church whoever dares to go against this oath, may it be somebody else or I.

References:

What Does The Catholic Church Teach about Origins?
What Does Cutting-Edge Science Teach about Origins?
http://www.kolbecenter.org/church_teaches.htm

Genesis 1-11
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis1-11;&version=31;

the global Flood of Noah
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis6-9;&version=31

the Papal Oath
http://www.catholicintl.com/epologetics/dialogs/church/ larson-part2-2.htm

It's 1984 in the Academy

JoeU »

Wed May 07, 2008 2:04 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

For those who have not yet seen
Ben Stein's movie,
visit:
http://www.ExpelledTheMovie.com/video.php
to view 3
"EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed"
movie trailers and a Bill O'Reilly interview.

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Electing Anti-Evolution President Will Lead Nation to Ruin, Says Scientist

JoeU »

Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:33 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

God was there,
and He told us how and what happened:

Exodus 20: 1,11 (New International Version)
The Ten Commandments

1 And God spoke all these words:
. . .
11 For in six days the LORD made the
heavens and the earth,
the sea, and all that is in them,
but he rested on the seventh day.
Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath
day and made it holy.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus20;&version=31 ;

Lets teach the truth.
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