I stopped reading halfway through after the mention of it being a broken record and "God is love." Love is only one attribute of God, He is also righteous, and will hold all people accountable for their sin. "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching e...more

I stopped reading halfway through after the mention of it being a broken record and "God is love." Love is only one attribute of God, He is also righteous, and will hold all people accountable for their sin.

"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."
2 Timothy 4:3-4

Sound familiar?less

The Lord says revenge is His. Furthermore, Jesus taught that we should take great joy when we are oppressed for His name, and that's exactly what we should be doing. My prayers go out fro the Christians displaced in this atrocity.

My prayer goes out to this man who boldly stood in the face of persecution.

"In our debates in the Presbyterian Church over homosexuality, if we begin with the Bible, we will likely reach a polarized stalemate," he wrote. "Bible discussions are too often divisive. When we begin with the Bible, we are not beginning with a natural place for all of us." Rather than the Bible, the beginning point for discussions on homosexuality, he maintained, should be "the personal expe...more

"In our debates in the Presbyterian Church over homosexuality, if we begin with the Bible, we will likely reach a polarized stalemate," he wrote. "Bible discussions are too often divisive. When we begin with the Bible, we are not beginning with a natural place for all of us."

Rather than the Bible, the beginning point for discussions on homosexuality, he maintained, should be "the personal experiences we all share."

So, rather than seek the infallible and all-knowing Word of God, instead we should look to our own fallible and faulted understanding. See the gap in the logic?less

Amen. Just as Nebuchadnezzar says: "All the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back His hand or say to Him: “What have you done?” (Daniel 4:35) Truly we are nothing before His majesty. Without the blood of Christ we would not even be able to speak to Him. We are nothing without...more

Amen. Just as Nebuchadnezzar says:

"All the peoples of the earth
are regarded as nothing.
He does as he pleases
with the powers of heaven
and the peoples of the earth.
No one can hold back His hand
or say to Him: “What have you done?” (Daniel 4:35)

Truly we are nothing before His majesty. Without the blood of Christ we would not even be able to speak to Him. We are nothing without God, and therefor without Him we lead a life worth nothing.less

May God break the ignorant and hardened hearts of people pushing this movement.

alafoli, He gave you His Word already. It's not you that's waiting for Him, but He that's waiting for you.

Negative, Jesus does not tolerate sin. He would tell you to turn from your evil ways and humble yourself before the Almighty Hand of God.

Amalgamate77, You would be the one hopelessly lost because you're basing your faith out of a book full of lies. If the Bible is not what it says it is, that is the Word of God, then Jesus was a lunatic and we (Christians) are all hopelessly lost.

Peaceful101, The Bible is God's inherent word. God is all-knowing correct? How then can you say that God is unable to talk about homosexuality? The New Testament authors wrote not with their own knowledge, but through the revelation of the Holy Spirit (I can provide several scripture references to this if need be). Therefor, excusing Romans 1 as Paul just not knowing what he's talking about is ...more

Peaceful101,

The Bible is God's inherent word. God is all-knowing correct? How then can you say that God is unable to talk about homosexuality? The New Testament authors wrote not with their own knowledge, but through the revelation of the Holy Spirit (I can provide several scripture references to this if need be). Therefor, excusing Romans 1 as Paul just not knowing what he's talking about is illogical.

Stop fighting the Holy Spirit's conviction. It's never too late to repent and turn from your evil ways. You will be in my prayers.less

Uh, actually it says men leaving the natural use of the woman. Meaning, naturally a man mates with a woman, however in this case these men were leaving this natural use and instead burning in lust for each other, committing what is shameful. I really don't think it gets much clearer than that. Where you pulled this "unnatural for them to turn to woman" is beyond me.

Homosexuality is a sin. Jesus had absolutely no tolerance of sin during His life, and neither did God in the Old Testament. He blatantly called the Pharisees out on several different occasions, and was not passive to their sinful ways whatsoever. Seeing as we are Christians, it only makes sense to actually be "Christ like." That is, we should not tolerate homosexuality, and fighting and/or voti...more

Homosexuality is a sin. Jesus had absolutely no tolerance of sin during His life, and neither did God in the Old Testament. He blatantly called the Pharisees out on several different occasions, and was not passive to their sinful ways whatsoever.

Seeing as we are Christians, it only makes sense to actually be "Christ like." That is, we should not tolerate homosexuality, and fighting and/or voting for civil unions (or gay marriages for that matter) does not exemplify that nature. Stop conforming to the worlds image of tolerance. Be a rebel, and stand up for Jesus.less

"Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the PENALTY of their error which was due." Romans 1:27 You bring up an excellent point. If only they would turn from their sin and change their ways before it's too late.

Homosexuality is a sin. Jesus had absolutely no tolerance of sin during His life, and neither did God in the Old Testament. He blatantly called the Pharisees out on several different occasions, and was not passive to their sinful ways whatsoever. Seeing as we are Christians, it only makes sense to actually be "Christ like." That is, we should not tolerate homosexuality, and fighting and/or voti...more

Homosexuality is a sin. Jesus had absolutely no tolerance of sin during His life, and neither did God in the Old Testament. He blatantly called the Pharisees out on several different occasions, and was not passive to their sinful ways whatsoever.

Seeing as we are Christians, it only makes sense to actually be "Christ like." That is, we should not tolerate homosexuality, and fighting and/or voting for civil unions (or gay marriages for that matter) does not exemplify that nature. Stop conforming to the worlds image of tolerance. Be a rebel, and stand up for Jesus.less

It is against the very nature of God to create an abomination. Yes, it is true that homosexuality is a sin before God, but it is impossible for Him to create someone homosexual. It's like saying God creates murders, rapists, and terrorists. These people walked their own path of sin. Given the entire context of the Bible, God creating someone homosexual to only condemn them later completely cont...more

It is against the very nature of God to create an abomination. Yes, it is true that homosexuality is a sin before God, but it is impossible for Him to create someone homosexual. It's like saying God creates murders, rapists, and terrorists. These people walked their own path of sin.

Given the entire context of the Bible, God creating someone homosexual to only condemn them later completely contradicts everything the Bible states about His nature.less

This is how things like that start, hence the concern.

Brethren, "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces." (Matthew 7:6) Our job is to share the Gospel. We ourselves cannot save anyone's soul, only God is capable of that. That person must come before Him and accept Him for who He is in order for them to be saved. Therefor, it is merely our ...more

Brethren,

"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces." (Matthew 7:6)

Our job is to share the Gospel. We ourselves cannot save anyone's soul, only God is capable of that. That person must come before Him and accept Him for who He is in order for them to be saved. Therefor, it is merely our job to show them the light, plant the seed, and let God do the rest. Jesus instructs us not to waste our time with those who are ignorant to His will. It is clear that gayisnotasin knows the Lord, and His commandments, but has chosen to reject them and indulge his sin instead. Thus, I would advise moving on, and not continuing to feed his fire. Your time would be much better spent reaching to the lost and confused instead of "feeding pearls to the swine."

Furthermore, for those ignorant to His word, prayer is a much stronger tool than mere words. I would advise that too!less

Gayisnotasin, You're running in circles now. There is an entire book in the Bible dedicated to the New Covenant established by Jesus after His Ressurection (Hebrews). Specifically, chapters 8-10 talk about the old law being succeeded by Jesus' death. Therefor, I do not condone stoning of people according to the Old Testament Law since I am instructed not to follow it anymore. For more informat...more

Gayisnotasin,

You're running in circles now. There is an entire book in the Bible dedicated to the New Covenant established by Jesus after His Ressurection (Hebrews). Specifically, chapters 8-10 talk about the old law being succeeded by Jesus' death. Therefor, I do not condone stoning of people according to the Old Testament Law since I am instructed not to follow it anymore. For more information on this matter, I would suggest picking up a good commentary on Hebrews.

This being said, my belief in the Bible as being the absolute truth is not hogwash. In fact, those not believing it to be absolute are living a false religion. You cannot pick and choose out of the Bible and still call yourself a Christian, it simply does not work that way (as much as people would like to think so).

I must admit though, this argument is degrading quite quickly, especially with you resorting to insulting my character. Therefor, it would be in the best interest that I resign from it. However, I will keep you in prayer, and hopefully God has brought us both to a deeper understanding of His word through this exchange. God bless you (and have a happy new year).less

Gayisnotasin, Unlike a few modern day evangelicals, I do not pick and choose what I like and dislike in the Bible. I believe that the Bible, in it's entirety, is the Word of God. Therefor, all things imparted it in, whether it be through prophets, disciples, or apostles, are absolute truth (Since God Himself is truth). Now, a good example of a copout would be the use of interpretation. Too ...more

Gayisnotasin,

Unlike a few modern day evangelicals, I do not pick and choose what I like and dislike in the Bible. I believe that the Bible, in it's entirety, is the Word of God. Therefor, all things imparted it in, whether it be through prophets, disciples, or apostles, are absolute truth (Since God Himself is truth).

Now, a good example of a copout would be the use of interpretation. Too many times people throw this word around as if it can simply dismiss any truth that happens to disagree with their agenda. In fact, it's the primary tool false teachers have been using to inject homosexuality into the church. The Bible is clear in Romans 1, homosexuality is a sin. I encourage you to read over the passage, and come to the Lord in prayer about it. I can assure you He will not lead you astray.

Yes, Jesus never directly talked about homosexuality, but it does not simply dismiss it as being acceptable. The second you discount any of the apostles, you might as well throw the whole Bible out with it. If Paul was not being inspired by the Holy Spirit when he wrote the book of Romans, then Christianity is in trouble.

When it came to hypocrisy in the Church, Jesus was unyielding to the Pharisees. I'm betting they didn't feel to great about what Jesus told them, and the same thing remains true today. Just like Jesus, I am not swayed by people's feelings and emotions towards God's Word. I'm sure if Jesus lived today, he would speak directly against the "law" as He did 2,000 years ago. J

While I don't like making assumptions, especially over the internet, I would have to agree with Daniel and foreveralive. I believe spending some time in prayer and reading over His Word might help clarify some of these issues better. Some things need to be imparted by God, I'm just pointing the way.less

I have no desire to make myself feel better. I am directly commanded in the Word, on several occasions in fact, to uphold the truth of His Word. In the above statement, that's exactly what I did. In no such way did I directly attack homosexual people. Jesus preaches to hate the sin, not the sinner, and I am a firm believer in this practice. Just because people are offended does not mean I directly...more

I have no desire to make myself feel better. I am directly commanded in the Word, on several occasions in fact, to uphold the truth of His Word. In the above statement, that's exactly what I did. In no such way did I directly attack homosexual people. Jesus preaches to hate the sin, not the sinner, and I am a firm believer in this practice. Just because people are offended does not mean I directly attacked those people. In fact, my urging of others to share the Gospel with those lost in this sin directly contradicts that matter.

Furthermore, any prejudice I upheld in my comment is directly from the Bible, and is not a prejudice against people practicing homosexuality, but rather against the act of homosexuality itself. I am not seeking in any such way to limit and/or demean those practicing homosexuality. However, the effects of openly practicing it in a work environment can be very distressing to a Christian, especially in close work environments like on a submarine. I was merely sympathizing with those undergoing this stress and encouraging prayer to get through these troubles.

Of course, I can understand how it could not be interpreted that way by a non-believer, which is why I took the time to clarify.less