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Keruso »

Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:46 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

Con't

Quote: where does it say we are to be led by our own interpretations? in gal5, paul said the things of the sin nature are obvious. meaning that by their own essence there being against the spirit t of christ was self explanatory. how is it self explanatory that homosexuality is against christ.

He said: Galatians 5:19-21 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: [>>]sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;...[<<] I warn you, [>>]as I did before[<<], that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Again, he laid them out plainly. And what did he say before (having also written the Corinthians and Romans):

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: [>>]Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders... will inherit the kingdom of God[<<].

Romans 1:25-27 [>>]They exchanged the truth of God for a lie[<<], and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever praised. Amen. [>>]Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.[<<] In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, [>>]and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion[<<].

This is not a matter of personal interpretation. It is clearly and explicitly stated, multiple ways, that unrepentant homosexuals, adulterers, and fornicators will have no part in the Kingdom of God.

Matthew 12:24-26 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebub, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons." Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "[>>]Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand[<<]. If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?

Malachi 3:6 "I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed."

John 8:42-44 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. [>>]Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.[<<]

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Keruso »

Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:42 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

Con't

Quote: >where in scripture are we given license to condemn anyone without personal witness. does not the commandments of the old covenant say beware of giving false witness? how does anyone know why anyone divorces? how does anyone know on what basis they came together to be married in the first place?

Romans 1:25-27 [>>]They exchanged the truth of God for a lie[<<], and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever praised. Amen. [>>]Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.[<<] In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, [>>]and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion[<<].

Romans 9:1-3 I speak the truth in Christ - I am not lying, my conscience confirms it in the Holy Spirit - I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For... the sake of my brothers,...

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Quote: what is ypur understanding of the last sentence of matt 19:11

Me: That for some men, the single life is preferred, for others marriage is preferred. It is 'this saying' to which Jesus refers.

Matthew 19:8-12 He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery."

The disciples said to him, "If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry." (11) But he said to them, "Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. (12) For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it."

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Keruso »

Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:39 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

Con't

Quote: >they are saying......if there is a possibility of divorce, is it better not to marry? that knowing the nature of human beings is it better that they dont even attempt to marry, rather than give them over to the possibility of being sinners.

And your point? (It sounds very much like you’re implying marriage is a sin.) Many times the Apostle advised people to remain unmarried so as not to be distracted by the family needs (that includes sex) from God, however the Bible also says:

1 Corinthians 7:25-28 Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy. Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for you to remain as you are. Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife. [>>]But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this[<<].

1 Corinthians 7:8-9 ...It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But...it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Matthew 19:5-6 and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore [>>]what GOD has joined together[<<], let man not separate."

Quote: >who has this word been given to. and how is it given. it cant be a law, because it isnt given to everyone. whatever is given, is given thru the spirit. so that no one can say the holy spirit gave him this or that. since divorce was allowed in the old covenant. it is new in the new covenant. in the new covenant did christ give us new laws to be led by... .that would mean that he gave us new laws "to die to" that we are no longer" led by" because we are now led by the spirit?

Romans 6:1 What shall we say, then? [>>]Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means![<<]...

Galatians 5:13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. [>>]But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature[<<]...

Galatians 5:19-21 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;... I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Matthew 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished

Romans 12:9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.

1 Peter 3:11 He must turn from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.

3 John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

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Keruso »

Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:36 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

Con't

You also seem to forgotten the most important part of forgiveness - repentance!

Matthew 3:7-8 ...Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? [>>]Produce fruit in keeping with repentance[<<].

Revelation 2:5 Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. [>>]If you do not repent[<<], I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.

Mark 1:4 And so John came, baptizing in the desert region and preaching a baptism of [>>]repentance FOR the forgiveness[<<] of sins.

Luke 3:3 He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of [>>]repentance FOR the forgiveness[<<] of sins.

Acts 13:24 Before the coming of Jesus, John preached [>>]repentance[<<]...

>what he is offering is a directive of spirit, that is tempered by the three commandments.........loving god, loving ones neighbor as oneself, and loving one another as christ loved us. it thru these, that the word is given and is to be lived.

And how did Christ love us? He died a horrible, torturous death so that, in repentance and humility, we might be washed clean of the stain of our sins.

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

And how are we to love God:

Luke 10:27 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind

Joshua 22:5 But be very careful to keep the commandment and the law that Moses the servant of the LORD gave you: to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, to obey his commands, to hold fast to him and to serve him with all your heart and all your soul."

How do we ‘love thy neighbor as yourself’? By following the laws of Moses, for ‘love thy neighbor as yourself’ is the summation of all laws. Breaking any part of the law is hurting your neighbor.

Galatians 5:14 THE ENTIRE LAW IS SUMMED UP in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they who love your law, and nothing can make them stumble.

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Keruso »

Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:04 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

myTmuus,

Also I should point out that, where Archeology has the information, the events, names, peoples, titles, and modes of speech of the Hebrew Books match the times in which they were supposedly to be written. Some famous examples: the Hittites, Jericho, the Assyrian king Sargon, Belshazzar the king of Babylon, Solomon's wealth, etc.

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Keruso »

Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:06 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

myTmuus,

Quote: Indulge me if you will, when do you believe the Bible was actually written? Especially the Old Testament, and in what language? And when do you believe the Bible was FIRST translated into the English language, and from what source do you believe to be the MOST accurate?

Not sure what this has to do with the definition of adultery, but:

All but one Hebrew books (the book of Ester) has been proven to be no less that 2100 year olds (100 - 200 BC - Dead Sea Scrolls) and shows more modern copies are near perfect. The Christian Books have proven to be no less than 1800 to 1600 years old (200 - 400 AD) (there is some evidence that these are copies of older text) and that no other book has survive in so large a number and, again, with so high a level of uniformity between the copies and languages. The original languages are Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. And when it was translated into 'English' all depends on what version of 'English' to which you refer. Old English translations popped up as early as 600 AD. Early modern English start about the 1500's and the modern English Oxford KJV was translated in 1769.

There is no one source that is the 'most accurate', though some are 'less accurate' than others. Reading the Bible is best done by comparing several versions and looking at the original languages. I tend to draw from the NIV, KJV, ESV, and ASV, however I do not limit myself to these. I own copies of both Hebrew and Greek interlinear text and spend a LOT of time using various internet Biblical resources especially lexicons.

How about you?

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Keruso »

Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:04 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

feetxxxl

Quote: the issue of ... sex prior to marriage, has historically been dealt with thru understandings and leadings of interpretation of the law and holding to tradition. the result has been incredible persecutions, psychological, emotional and even physical damage...

And what about the damage done by the "Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free" attitude? What about the hearts that have been broken because their partner was never really committed to a permanent relationship, only a one nightstand or conquest or just one of many ongoing sexual relationships? Or the damage done to children born of these relationships who grow up fatherless or abandoned, if they are born at all? Or how about the life threating diseases that are spread? If one refrains from a sexual relationship until a binding commitment is made (marriage), then there is a far better chance of the relationship lasting for the long haul, since all chances that the 'commitment' was made out of lust or guilt are virtually zero.

Quote: romans says that we are led by the spirit. so i repeat. what is the spirit of homosexuality that motivates a desire to bond with the same sex., and what are the fruits of that spirit?

God is clearly not the source of the 'spirit' that leads to homosexuality as the Bible can not be more clear about his homosexual stance (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Romans 1:25-28). Nor can it be more clear about unmarried or adulterous sex. Further, the 100% preventable diseases and unwanted pregnancies that haunts the lives of the sexually promiscuous clearly punctuate this stance. However, Satan is a spirit too, the tempter, the father of lies, can easily be a 'leading spirit' when we let him (Matthew 4:1-11, John 8:42-44). He would happily tempted individuals into destructive and life threatening lifestyles. He wants you suffering in hell, he doesn't care how you get there, and the sooner you arrive the happier he is (less chance of repentance). That is what hate is, that which rejoices in the eternal suffering of others. There is no such rejoicing in Christ and forgiveness awaits the truly repentant.

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Keruso »

Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:30 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

feetxxxl

Quote: "what witness gives you license tobe so presumptive and judgemental."

The Bible is the witness. It is the one with the 'license to be so presumptive and judgemental." It is the standard that God will hold us all to, Christian or not.

Ezekiel 3:18-21 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; [>>]but his blood will I require at thine hand[<<]. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; [>>]but thou hast delivered thy soul[<<].

Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; [>>]but his blood will I require at thine hand[<<]. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

Quote: what is ypur understanding of the last sentence of matt 19:11

Matthew 19:8-12 He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery."

The disciples said to him, "If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry." (11) But he said to them, "Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. (12) For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it."

That for some men, the single life is preferred, for others marriage is preferred. It is 'this saying' to which Jesus refers.

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Keruso »

Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:28 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

myTmuus,

Matthew 19:8-9 Jesus replied, "...I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, EXCEPT FOR MARTIAL UNFAITHFULNESS, and marries another woman commits adultery." NIV

Me: <<Clearly Jesus, explicitly, makes an exception for divorces based on adultery.>>

Quote: No, Jesus explicitly makes the exception based on sexual immorality. Adultery is the act of divorce and remarriage.

Adultery - voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse, voluntary violation of the marriage bed, extramarital sex that willfully and maliciously interferes with marriage relations; "adultery is often cited [>>]as grounds for divorce[<<]" - Dictionary.com

immorality - sexual misconduct - Dictionary.com

Adultery is the act of having sex with someone other than your spouse. Adultery is not defined by divorce but often the cause of divorce. Adultery is, by definition, a sexual immorality.

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Keruso »

Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:17 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

feetxxxl

Quote: isnt testing in the spirit, the explanation for why divorce has been given its acceptance. we acknowledge that a marriage is over, because of either the agreement of both, or the belief of one, that there are irreconcilable differences. it is the testing of the spirt that motivates one to remarry and the fruits of that remarriage that allowed us to see that it was good and therefore of god.

You have obviously never been destroyed by a parental divorce or betrayed by a spouse. Divorces do not happen because of 'irreconcilable differences', they happen because one (or both) person decides, in one fashion or another, that the 'grass is greener on the other side of the fence' (and often discover it's Astroturf). Either the man or the woman (or both) starts seeing the future in terms of 'me' instead of 'we'. That is, without exception, what destroys every relationship. If sex and marriage weren't entered into so lightly, there wouldn't be a high divorce rate to 'give acceptance to'. God may send many test into Christian lives, however this one is completely avoidable if both the man and woman are truly honest and fully committed to each other. Marriage is a lifetime commit, not a commitment until something 'better' comes along.

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Keruso »

Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:05 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

myTmuus,

Quote: 'It's unscriptural by the quote above to divorce a nonChristian spouse and remarry.... AND unequally yoked marriages are not grounds for divorce according to the Bible.'

I think you misunderstand my position here, the position clearly stated in these verses. No Christian is tied to a non-Christian that demands a divorce. However, I agree the Christian, should never demand a divorce in this circumstance and would be guilty of adultery if they did so. Obviously, it matters who request the divorce.

Quote: "But [>>]if the unbelieving partner separates[<<], let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister IS NOT ENSLAVED. God has called you to peace. —1 Corinthians 7:10-15 ESV

1 Corinthians 7:15 But [>>]if the unbeliever leaves[<<], let him do so. A believing man or woman IS NOT BOUND in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. NIV

1 Corinthians 7:15 But [>>]if the unbelieving depart[<<], let him depart. A brother or a sister IS NOT UNDER BONDAGE in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. KJV

And yes let's skip the preceding verses -

1 Corinthians 7:6-9 Now as a concession, not a command, I say this. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. FOR IT IS BETTER TO MARRY THAN TO BURN WITH PASSION.

Quote: Christian or not, if a divorce is granted on any grounds and a Christian remarries, it's still adultery.

Do you read these verses you're quoting?

Matthew 19:8-9 He said to them, "... And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, EXCEPT FOR SEXUAL IMMORALITY, and marries another, commits adultery." ESV

Matthew 19:8-9 Jesus replied, "...I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, EXCEPT FOR MARTIAL UNFAITHFULNESS, and marries another woman commits adultery." NIV

Clearly Jesus, explicitly, makes an exception for divorces based on adultery.

Quote: Not so premature an accusation when you witness how Christians continue to harp on homosexuality yet refuse to face the facts about the adultery that usually follows a divorce.

So your accusation continues to be premature. However I do agree, minus the Bible's stated exceptions, that adultery does follow a divorce.

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Keruso »

Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:43 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

myTmuus,

Quote: God finds divorce and remarriage so abominable he calls it ADULTERY and there is a commandment written espressly fobidding it- yet the divorce and remarriages CHRISTIANS are guilty of are swept under the carpets in order to discuss homosexuals and what God thinks about them. Hypocritical if you ask me.

First, it takes two to make a marriage work and what these numbers don't say is who or what caused all these divorces. Second, there are two reasons given in the Bible under which divorce is allowable for a Christian, one is that same ADULTERY and the second is if the other person is not a Christian and wants a divorce. Personally, I know of 5 "Christian" divorces; 3 were due to ADULTERY and 2 due an unexpected demand for divorce, all by the non-Chirstian spouse (and all took or are taking a terrible toll on the Christian spouse). So accusations of hypocrisy seem a little premature.

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Keruso »

Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

feetxxxl

Quote "those that bond of the same spirit are equal to each other.

both heterosexuals and homosexuals bond out of mutual love,respect, devotion, attractionand trust for a shared committed life together. and there sexual intimacy is an affirmation and an expression of the spirit of that bonding.

things that are equal in spirit should be allowed the same affirmation."

The usually high occurrences of HIV and STDs among homosexual men as opposed to heterosexual men clearly belies claims of 'mutual love, respect, devotion', and 'shared committed life together'. 'Attraction' or lust can clearly occur without any of the other factors. Only promiscuity, infidelity, and drug use (shared needles) can explain the spread of any STD and specifically the HIV epidemic among gay men. www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/news/20071128/mens-hivaids-epidemic-its-back?src=RSS_PUBLIC

'should be allowed' isn't a good argument for anything. Nazi's felt they 'should be allowed' to exterminate Jews, Africans, Russians, French, Chinese, etc, petty much any who wasn't Aryan. Roman's felt they 'should be allowed' to watch men fight to the death for sport. Muslim feel they 'should be allowed' to conquer and subjugate the world and hold everyone to Shiria law. Even the Crusaders felt they 'should be allowed' to slaughter and subjugate the people of the Holy Lands. 'Should be allowed' is in the eye of the beholder, and God clearly does not believe homosexuality 'should be allowed'.

And the 'spirit' belongs to God and can only be 'bonded' through Christ.

Ephesians 4:1-6 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit - just as you were called to one hope when you were called - one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Christ will not 'bond' with an active homosexual:

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked [>>]will not[<<] inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

And physical 'bonding' can only occur between a man and a woman.

Matthew 19:4-6 "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

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Keruso »

Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

feetxxxl,

Quote: read jesus dispensation for those that are unmarried or married to those of the same sex.....matthew 19:11

Matthew 19:9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

10 The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

11 Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

Umm, where is the same sex "dispensation"? I see the unmarried "dispensation" but nothing about same sex 'marriages'.

1 Corinthians 7:1-7

Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. I say this as a concession, not as a command. I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=7&version=31&context=chapter

Note it does not say "But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife or husband"

Star,

Thank you and your welcome (though my face will be red for a while).

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Keruso »

Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Still sorry!

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Keruso »

Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Star

the other post is some more verses for you [to use]...

Better?

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Keruso »

Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Star,

The verses are mean to help support your point about homosexuals.

I flag my post...

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Keruso »

Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I'm very, very sorry Star,

That's what I get for being in a hurry....

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Keruso »

Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:59 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

feetxxxl,

More of Matthew 19:3-6

Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"

Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

Malachi 2:16 "I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel,

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Keruso »

Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:54 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

feetxxxl,

Matthew 19:5
and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ?

Mark 10:8
and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one.

Star

the other post is some more verses for you...