A Wicked Deed in Wichita - A Test for the Pro-Life Movement

Kevin Snyder »

Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:45 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 4

Rhi: How about I post this under my own Christian name:

Abortion is murder. "Doctor" Tiller was a serial killer. And the person who killed him is also a murderer.

"No one will take responsibility for the words of those who like Mohler, call the victim a killer."

Well, Mohler and I are BOTH taking responsibility for our words.

"Dr. Tiller is not a killer under American law."

And Hitler was not a killer under German law. Your point?

Hate Crimes Bill Headed for Vote in House Committee

Kevin Snyder »

Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:21 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 5

Mickey, I see that you have not been able to find a passage promoting sexual perversions. I leave you this weekend with a sincere urging, brother, to examine Scripture, and examine your heart.
The path to the Kingdom of Heaven is narrow. Please seek Truth in your path, so that you may enjoy the rewards of the Kingdom.

Hate Crimes Bill Headed for Vote in House Committee

Kevin Snyder »

Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:11 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 5

bryan90new:
"Kevin, tell me, if Paul preach something, but Jesus preaches another, and that they would contradict somehow, who are you going to listen to? Paul or Jesus?
Jesus knew that different people had different beliefs, and still he said 'treat others as how you would like to be treated.' "

Bryan, I perceive that you are implying that Jesus taught that homosexual activity is good and pleasing to the Lord, and Paul disagreed. Is that accurate?

It is difficult for some people to accept that I make a distinction between a sinner and the sin. We are ALL sinners, people. We each have a particular temptation that may be harder to resist than others. That is because we are human, and fallen. Our Christ, Himself, was tempted.
All of us fall short at times and sin. As Christians, we need to love the sinner.

When I sin, do I want someone to love me, and gently teach me what sin is that I may walk in God's truth? Or do I want someone to pat me on the back, tell me that everything is OK, and let me go live in that sin, losing fellowship with my Lord and my Saviour?

"Teach me your way, O Lord; that I may walk in Your Truth; Unite my heart to fear Your name" Ps 86:11 (NASB)

Beloved, to those tempted by sexual immorality, whether heterosexual OR homosexual, I say "No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it." 1 Cor 10:13.

We cannot teach that the particular sin which we like is "OK" with God, just because it is "OK" with society. We MUST teach that the sinner, that everyone, that every member of humanity, is an immortal soul, who we must love as God loves us. "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." 1 John 4:8

We love our brother by pointing him to the way that is straight and narrow, not by allowing him to stray in the interest of tolerance. So, beloved, do not tell me that I may sin because "it doesn't hurt anyone, and besides, "God hath not REALLY said..."

Hate Crimes Bill Headed for Vote in House Committee

Kevin Snyder »

Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

Mickey, we are going to disagree on whether hate crime statutes are wrong or not. Fair enough.

Paul's epistles, however, are Scripture. They are God-breathed, inspired in the original sense of the term. They are NOT "opinion", they are the word of God. Paul spent three years studying with God in the third Heaven. Read in context, he condemns both temple orgies AND other acts that are not between a married man/woman couple.

If you would like to dispute this, please find me a passage ANYWHERE in Scripture that portrays homosexuality in a positive light.

Hate Crimes Bill Headed for Vote in House Committee

Kevin Snyder »

Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

"Actually calling someone a hypocrite is NOT hate speech. Try again"

Mickey, let's imagine for a moment that I am a Deputy DA. And I am ascribing motive to you. I have accused you of being biased. I have accused you of hate speech.

And now you have to hire a lawyer, and defend yourself in court.
That thought should give you pause.

"So are you lobbying your congressman to get rid of all hate crime laws? All those that include gender, race or religion?"

Yes.

"The Bible never says that homosexuality is a sin."

Well, actually, it does. Several times. Most blatantly in 1 Cor 6:9, specifically mentioning homosexuality, fornication, and adultery.

Now, I am trying to be polite and reasonable, here. So please, when I ask this next question, understand that I ask it so that we can have a common understanding of where to start a discussion:
If you believe that Paul's epistles to the Corinthians are a lie, which other parts of the Bible do you also reject as lies?

Hate Crimes Bill Headed for Vote in House Committee

Kevin Snyder »

Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Mickey C: "It merely points out what a bunch of hypocrites and hate mongers these people really are. "

Could you make your point without calling names? That is, after all, hate speech.

The point we are trying to make is that a crime is a crime. At no time in common law has it been necessary for a prosecutor to prove motive. Motives are elusive, and while they may be helpful to investigation, they are
irrelevant to prosecution. No group needs to be protected from "bias motivated crime" because there are already laws against the act, itself.
A motive is not an act; it is a state of mind. A state of mind is a thought.
Hate crime = thought crime.

Why Congress Should Reject Federal 'Hate Crimes' Bill

Kevin Snyder »

Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:14 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Phat: "For instance, there's an ethical difference between two guys who get into a fight over a girl at a bar, and those same two guys beating the sh*t out of someone they catch coming out of a Gay bar. It's not difficult to see which incident is motivated solely by prejudice."

I don't understand. Should there be a heavier penalty for two guys who duke it out over a guy than for two guys who intentionally assault a straight? Your post makes no sense.
Assault is a completely different offense than disturbing the peace, which is how mutual combat is usually charged.

Hate Crimes Bill Headed for Vote in House Committee

Kevin Snyder »

Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

bryan90new: "So should we remove the entire act and not protect religion altogehter for the reasons so confidently uttered? "

Yes.

Why Congress Should Reject Federal 'Hate Crimes' Bill

Kevin Snyder »

Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:42 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Zoe B: The murderer of Angie Zapata was convicted yesterday of first degree murder, and sentenced to life in prison, without the possibility of parole.
The murderers of Matthew Shepherd were ALSO convicted of first degree murder, and sentenced to life without parole.

So I'm not sure where you get the idea that murderers of tranvestites or homosexuals are walking around unpunished.

BTW; God's law says that the penalty for intentional murder is death. Blood for blood.

Why Congress Should Reject Federal 'Hate Crimes' Bill

Kevin Snyder »

Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:40 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

Rhi Bran: "It gives additional charges to those who acts are motivated by bigotry".
That is EXACTLY why it violates equal protection. There can be no fewer charges filed for assaulting a white, heterosexual, Christian male than for assaulting a cross-dressing Hispanic.
"It does not punish thoughts" You contradict that statement when you say "acts are motivated by bigotry. " Bigotry is, indeed, a thought.
"People can have their moral or religious view regardless of what I or the feds think"
See the cases in Canada and Australia where mere speech has, indeed, been prosecuted. The minister in Canada was prosecuted for the content of a letter to the editor of the local paper!
"They do not have a right to justify crimes because of their moral views. " True. Perkins is not advocating that; you have introduced a straw man argument. And the law can not take moral view into account when prosecuting, either.

All human life is sacred and deserving of the same protection. Laws which differentiate between classes are a detriment to a free society. We have allowed a few, narrow exceptions to protect the truly defenseless-children and elderly-but carving out large swatches as "more deserving" is the road to persecution.

When Abortion Collides with Totalitarianism

Kevin Snyder »

Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:02 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Completely off topic. Please have the courtesy to delete your posts.

Homeland Security Head Defends Abortion Reference in 'Extremism' Report

Kevin Snyder »

Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:21 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

caritaspromundi: Please provide citations from someone on this site advocating violence against baby killers, as you claim.

Homeland Security Head Defends Abortion Reference in 'Extremism' Report

Kevin Snyder »

Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I, for one, am proud to be on a list of people declared Enemies of the State for my beliefs in human rights!

On a side note: If everyone who is pro-life were now to demand to see their FBI files under the Freedom of Information Act, based on association with domestic terrorists, the so-called "Justice" Department would be brought to their knees.
In a manner of speaking, of course.