Pro-Family Leaders Worldwide Back Romania's Efforts to Ban Gay 'Marriage'

KevinVT »

Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:16 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

"Matrimony, as defined by the Church is a sacrament"

It is today. It wasn't before 1215. Before then the church required blessings only when priests married. Tell that to the Catholics!

Pro-Family Leaders Worldwide Back Romania's Efforts to Ban Gay 'Marriage'

KevinVT »

Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:18 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 3

Same sex marriage should be written without the quotes.
But these aren't "pro-family" groups, they're anti-gay groups.
Nothing like lining up behind the backward Balkan Romanians!

Christian Bookstores Refuse to Sell Gay Study Bible

KevinVT »

Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:46 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Heads in the sand. Just keep them there.
There are not thousands and thousands of success stories for NARTH. Quite the contrary. A very few, and even those are probably people who weren't really gay to begin with. Even the leaders of many of these ex-gay organizations have backslid. John Paulk, anyone? Posterboy.

And for the record, I am not closed minded, I just look at the facts, as in scientific facts, the verifiable ones, as opposed to the ravings and imagination of NARTH crazies.

Enjoy your closed-mindedness, I'm off on vacation from insanity.

Christian Bookstores Refuse to Sell Gay Study Bible

KevinVT »

Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:19 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

NARTH is a totally discredited organization. Even they no longer claim people can change their orientation. People can change their _behavior_ -- but not their desire. There are no success stories, though there are many many people who are ex-ex-gays. I would even go so far to say that NARTH and its ilk are themselves objectively evil since they harm people and cause serious psychological damage and trauma.

The founder of NARTH, Charles Socarides, once claimed that homosexuality was caused by an unhealthy family. Then his son grew up to be gay. So either he was wrong, or he was a bad parent, or perhaps both (no doubt his son was traumatized by his professionally homophobic father).

To quote the wikipedia article on him, "The modern medical and scientific consensus is that attempts at eliminating same-sex attractions are not effective and are potentially harmful."

Christian Bookstores Refuse to Sell Gay Study Bible

KevinVT »

Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:50 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

When you say "we are all born with the ability to hate" that is made eminently clear by this board. A very Christian virtue, apparently.

For those into etymology and jumping to conclusions, check the etymology of cretin. Reading these comments, it seems logical to me.

Christian Bookstores Refuse to Sell Gay Study Bible

KevinVT »

Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:48 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

No legitimate psychologist believes that gay men and lesbians can change their orientation.

Not that this has anything to do with the text, which you people THINK you understand, but you don't actually know ancient languages and societies, do you? It's YOU who are modernizing and twisting the text out of context, not Prof. Nyland.

Christian Bookstores Refuse to Sell Gay Study Bible

KevinVT »

Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:57 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

Good way to avoid hearing a truth you don't want to hear. Go ahead: don't buy the book, don't listen to scholars who know what they're talking about.

Signing off!

Christian Bookstores Refuse to Sell Gay Study Bible

KevinVT »

Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:26 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

"a social liberal scholar who has twisted the meaning of the Greek out of context to endorse homosexuality, and has gone so far as to re-write the Bible "

Actually you have it exactly backwards: she's the scholar who knows what the original Greek in context would have meant. It's you folks who have twisted the meaning into something meaning "homosexual." There was no concept of homosexual in Biblical times. Did not exist. No word for it in any language. It's a modern concept. Sorry.

And interesting that some of you admit you are homophobic, as well as demonstrating it.

Christian Bookstores Refuse to Sell Gay Study Bible

KevinVT »

Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:42 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Ironically, it's the people claiming to understand this word "arsenokoites" as referring to homosexuals who are guilty of changing the meaning of the Bible by inserting modern interpretations.

I don't believe G "koites" and L "coitus" are in fact related. Sounds like folk etymology to me. "koites" has to do with beds, while "coitus" is a compound of co (together) + ire (going). The G equivalent would have the prefix "syn" and not "ko"

Christian Bookstores Refuse to Sell Gay Study Bible

KevinVT »

Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:27 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Leviticus 18:22
22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

The leviticus passage really leaves no room for interpretation does it?

Answer 1: And do you eat shellfish or keep kosher?

Answer 2: this passage only forbids lying with a man AS WITH A WOMAN -- but what if you do it a different way?

Christian Bookstores Refuse to Sell Gay Study Bible

KevinVT »

Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:55 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

"contrary to Christian beliefs? "

Contrary to your homophobic interpretation, but not to that of many, many other Christians. Including Desmond Tutu.

Look how many clergy signed in support of same sex marriage in Vermont, and that's just one small state!

http://www.vtfreetomarry.org/clergy.php#3

Christian Bookstores Refuse to Sell Gay Study Bible

KevinVT »

Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:53 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

So convenient to focus on sins that one has no inclination to commit.

he Bible contains 6 admonitions to homosexuals and 362 admonitions to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.

Christian Bookstores Refuse to Sell Gay Study Bible

KevinVT »

Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:50 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

"She not only forces a meaning to the word, but refuses to look at the word in the other parts of the New Testament and Old as well... incredible."

Wow -- you folks really don't know the text, do you?

The word "arsenokoites" does not appear anywhere else. It's a hapax. Look it up.

And the word "homosexuality" was not invented until 1869, so that one certainly isn't anywhere in the Bible. Christ himself had exactly nothing to say about homosexual behavior. Yes, it's in Leviticus, but right alongside prohibitions on eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics. Why are you folks so obsessed about homosexuality, anyway?

Christian Bookstores Refuse to Sell Gay Study Bible

KevinVT »

Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:56 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

To quote Desmond Tutu, "If God as they say is homophobic I wouldn't worship that God."
But obviously others disagree, and apparently pick and choose Bible verses to suit their needs.

Christian Bookstores Refuse to Sell Gay Study Bible

KevinVT »

Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:03 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

I suppose you're all fluent in NT Greek?
"arsenokoites" is a hapax, as far as I recall.
Unless you have friends who were alive and speaking Greek some two thousand years back you're relying on somebody's guess.
The question is: why would you prefer one guess to another?