Debate Over Gay Reparative Therapy Heats Up

Lynn David »

Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:31 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 4

RT theory says all gays are this way which is clearly not so. Many (most?) have no issues with their father. Among those who do RT theorists cannot say for certain if the "issues" were the cause of the homosexuality or and effect of homosexuality. In other word did dad react badly to a son who was somewhat overtly gender-nonconforming (such as claiming he were a girl). The RT theorists (Nicolosi and NARTH at that forefront) have not provided the scientific basis to prove RT works (following up on patients with questionaires). About the best guess is that about 25% of people seeking RT therapies say they now have a heterosexual outlook. But that's 25% of a highly motivated crowd seeking "change" which may not represent but 5% of all gay men. Likewise there is no information where these people are on the spectrum of sexuality, they could all be bisexuals who just ended up switch hitting. Taken together there is no evidence RT therapies really work nor does RT theory describe most (most all?) gays.

Ex-Gay Success Story Not a Mormon Success Story

Lynn David »

Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:09 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Also, if Glatze had a conversion experience and was led by God, the Holy Spirit, into his faith with Jesus Christ, then how did he end up going to the Mormon church? Glatze has said elsewhere that it was because he had friends there he gravitated to the LDS church. In other words Glatze may have joined the Mormon church 'on a whim' without any real knowledge about it; and now Concerned Women leader, Matt Barber, is counsellilng him about joining an evangelical church? Trying getting out of the Mormon church, that can be a trial itself.

But I don't get it, God, the Holy Spirit, Jesus took Glatze out of homosexuality, but failed to get him into the "correct" church? Isn't that at least a relatively more 'easy' task than denouncing homosexuality which for Glatze was apparently a two or three-year trial?

Ex-Gay Success Story Not a Mormon Success Story

Lynn David »

Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:08 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I think it is important to try to understand just what Glatze's "success" has been. In effect in accepting God and Jesus Christ he accepted also the Bible and what it says about same-sex behavior. He made a choice which is a change of heart about his behavior. While he admits that the thought of sex with men is now disgusting to him, that seems to come from his acceptance of the Biblical injunctions, not a real change of attractiveness. He seems overly needful of marrying and procreating, as that is the real 'sign' of his change. Other ex-gay men have followed that rather quick plan with some disastrous results. In other words, Glatze seems too good to be true.