What is it that people have against TD Jakes?

I pray that his study of the Scripture leads Him to Christ and that his heart is receptive to salvation! Stranger things have happened... see Paul.

Steve, with that being said, are you self-righteous since you determine your own right standing with self?

Agreed. Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. Gal 6:1-2 (KJV) I see a lot of rebuking (without proof), but not a lot of restoring. I see a lot of condeming but not a lot of grace. I see a lot of accusing,...more

Agreed.
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
Gal 6:1-2 (KJV)

I see a lot of rebuking (without proof), but not a lot of restoring. I see a lot of condeming but not a lot of grace. I see a lot of accusing, without proper reason to accuse...

Isn't the devil the accuser of the saints (Zech 3:1; Rev 12:10)? Are we accusing this man of something we don't know he's guilty of? Haven't we all been guilty of multiple spiritual violations?

If he is guilty... so be it. Open rebuke is in order. God didn't set in order for everybody to rebuke him... Some people can't rebuke without being prideful. Can we not feed on our own wounded? Can we please restore our brother (if he is guilty)?

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Matt 5:7 (KJV)

It's hard to balance love and holiness... let's try harder to do so.less

"Second, to be anointed simply means being set apart for." No it doesn't. To be sanctified means to be set apart for. To be consecrated means to be set apart for.

Are you trolling?

Looks like someone tried to use wit to dodge your request. It was quite clear and legible.

Well, although I do agree with you on a number of points, I happen to disagree on many as well. As stated, there is no conclusive evidence to say so. Jesus was accused by many people, and He kept His mouth shut. If he's guilty, we'll respond accordingly. If he's not guilty, we'll respond accordingly. Until then, there's that "if"... I'll keep praying. And I do believe in the power of the ...more

Well, although I do agree with you on a number of points, I happen to disagree on many as well. As stated, there is no conclusive evidence to say so. Jesus was accused by many people, and He kept His mouth shut.

If he's guilty, we'll respond accordingly. If he's not guilty, we'll respond accordingly.

Until then, there's that "if"... I'll keep praying.

And I do believe in the power of the spoken word as is clearly demonstrated in Scripture. Nowhere did I insinuate that my will was above God's. I am His and I seek for His will to be done in my life. I will not speak against this man without conclusive evidence.less

Have people been saved in the ministry? Yes they have. I'm baffled that a website of Christians can say whether or not a man is anointed or not... as if we are the Holy Spirit. No one could be saved in his ministry if he wasn't anointed. The devil can't tell anybody about Jesus and get them saved. The flesh definitely can't point anybody to Christ. If people have been saved in his ministry, the ma...more

Have people been saved in the ministry? Yes they have. I'm baffled that a website of Christians can say whether or not a man is anointed or not... as if we are the Holy Spirit. No one could be saved in his ministry if he wasn't anointed. The devil can't tell anybody about Jesus and get them saved. The flesh definitely can't point anybody to Christ. If people have been saved in his ministry, the man is anointed.

I sin, you sin, are we still anointed?

God gives gifts without taking them back. These gifts are given by God to glorify him. If he has secret sins in his life, they will be exposed if he doesn't turn them over to God.

Though I respect your opinion, I strongly disagree. The man is anointed.

3 When I kept silent,
my bones wasted away
through my groaning all day long.
4 For day and night your hand was heavy on me; my strength was sapped as in the heat of summer. Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD.” And you forgave the guilt of my sin.

If he's guilty, I do not support that sin. But my prayers will continue to go to God for him, and all those who are affected by his ministry.less

Kt, While that may be true, the fact remains the same. We are not to harm the Lord's anointed, whether it be with our mouths, fists, or any other weapons of warfare. Did you know the power that God gave us with out mouths is much stronger than what He gave us with our fists? Things happen (1 Kings 17:1). With that being the case, we need to really watch what we say. If he is guilty, he will be...more

Kt,
While that may be true, the fact remains the same. We are not to harm the Lord's anointed, whether it be with our mouths, fists, or any other weapons of warfare.

Did you know the power that God gave us with out mouths is much stronger than what He gave us with our fists? Things happen (1 Kings 17:1). With that being the case, we need to really watch what we say. If he is guilty, he will be dealt with by way of church discipline. If not, again, all those who spoke against him will be judged.

I am just thankful that God never exposed my sins to the world (I allow Him to deal with me in private about the things I fight against). I need the Precious Blood of Jesus to cover me daily. I'm not concerned about speaking out against God's people at all times. Neither should any other Christian.

Many times we get caught up in emotion, and completely bypass the Spirit of God and say what comes in mind... perhaps we'd all do well to examine what the Book of James says about the untamed tongue.

Conclusive evidence hasn't come out yet in regards to this case, with that being said, my mouth is shut. God didn't give me a prophetic word in this situation.less

I do caution for the body of Christ to remain on the side of HOLINESS when speaking on this man. Remember that God's Word said that every tongue that rises up against us shall be devoured (Isaiah 54:17) and that we should be extremely careful about how we handle God's anointed (Psalm 105:15). If this man is guilty, God will deal with him... and it's our responsibility to love him back into his pla...more

I do caution for the body of Christ to remain on the side of HOLINESS when speaking on this man. Remember that God's Word said that every tongue that rises up against us shall be devoured (Isaiah 54:17) and that we should be extremely careful about how we handle God's anointed (Psalm 105:15). If this man is guilty, God will deal with him... and it's our responsibility to love him back into his place in Christ (we would want the same). If he isn't guilty... everyone that spoke against this man is guilty.

I know that I need the blood of Jesus... period, point, blank. Try looking inside before speaking against someone else. Just be thankful that God didn't expose OUR sins before the world.less

Kubush. Correct. Gravity exists whether I believe in it or not. God exists whether you believe in Him or not. "While in contrast Christians are taught to the world was created for people to exploit and that we shouldn't worry about the environment because the earth is temporary anyways." Please show me this in Scripture...

If the meaning of my life is to bring glory to God as defined in Romans 8: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Romans 8:29 (KJV) Then if I'm not being conformed to the Image of Christ, my life is meaningless. A person who dies as an atheist is not transformed into the Image of Christ ...more

If the meaning of my life is to bring glory to God as defined in Romans 8:

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Romans 8:29 (KJV)

Then if I'm not being conformed to the Image of Christ, my life is meaningless. A person who dies as an atheist is not transformed into the Image of Christ and therefore their life has no meaning.less

Oh, and if I consciously violate the moral code that I ascribe to, I'm determined to be a hypocrite (saying one thing and knowingly do another). If I create my own moral code, and turn and violate that, am I a self-righteous hypocrite?

Ah, I see... the ol' "I'm more moral than you" game. Sad that people don't realize that this type of thinking is self-righteous... allow me to explain. Christians find their righteousness (right standing, uprightness) because of what Christ did. He imputes His righteousness on us. We don't earn it, nor do we work for our own righteousness. The non-believer decides his OWN righteousness (right s...more

Ah, I see... the ol' "I'm more moral than you" game. Sad that people don't realize that this type of thinking is self-righteous... allow me to explain.

Christians find their righteousness (right standing, uprightness) because of what Christ did. He imputes His righteousness on us. We don't earn it, nor do we work for our own righteousness. The non-believer decides his OWN righteousness (right standing, uprightness) based on what he/she feels to be true.

One individual receives righteousness based on someone else, one tries to create their own based on their own self... which one is self-righteous?less

Absolutely...

Bob, I'm sure you understand what I was doing there. God will exist regardless if you believe in Him or not. Satan will exist regardless if you believe in him or not. Heaven/hell exist regardless if you believe in them or not. Gravity exist regardless if someone believes in it or not. Just because one doesn't believe in something doesn't mean they aren't subject to it.

There is only gravity if you believe it to be there. Those who do not believe do not have to worry about falling or worrying about any of that other make believe stuff. Same thought process. We focus our attention on telling people about salvation and making a difference in our environment with the Word of God.

Moral (in the world's sense), yes. Meaningful, no. A life apart from Christ is absolutely wasted. It's unfortunate that people will find themselves in the biggest trash can for all of eternity (See Gehenna)... how's that for meaningful? Unfortunately, then they'll be able to say, my life wasn't meaningful. Then they'll understand the fullness of God's holiness and His righteous judgment. The po...more

Moral (in the world's sense), yes. Meaningful, no. A life apart from Christ is absolutely wasted. It's unfortunate that people will find themselves in the biggest trash can for all of eternity (See Gehenna)... how's that for meaningful? Unfortunately, then they'll be able to say, my life wasn't meaningful. Then they'll understand the fullness of God's holiness and His righteous judgment.

The point? Turn to Christ and be IN CHRIST, that way, your life will be moral and meaningful.less

Yep... just as King Solomon set up the temple to Moloch, Obama is aiding in the same detestable practices without officially acknowledging Moloch. Modern day Moloch worship.