Conservatives Vow to Keep Close Watch on Hate Crimes Law

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Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:43 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

Flagged as inappropriate. show "Conservatives Vow to Keep Close Watch on Hate Crimes Law" hahaha, that's funny like we care lol. They can watch it all they want, just don't break the law while you're "watchin' it". hide

Senate Passes Hate Crimes Bill; Obama Expected to Sign

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Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:42 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

Flagged as inappropriate. show 'Why do people object to the idea of "hate crimes" when sexual orientation is concerned, but not when religion is concerned?" That in itself is exactly why it is called a "hate" crime. hide

Senate Passes Hate Crimes Bill; Obama Expected to Sign

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Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:08 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 2

"So, you're saying it took how many pages to simply add GLBT to the law? Surely not! "

Those pages simply adds sexual orientation, gender, gender identity and disability to the existing list of categories which include race, religion, color or national origin. That is it.

Senate Passes Hate Crimes Bill; Obama Expected to Sign

Minneapolitian »

Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:50 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 2

Again this law was not changed, only GLBT persons were added to the list, the law has been on the books for almost 20 years and has not stopped free speech in any way.

If this law supposedly kills free speech, why then with the existing laws that have protected people of faith, color and disabilities for years have not already killed free speech?????

Answer: It has not and will not!

Senate Passes Hate Crimes Bill; Obama Expected to Sign

Minneapolitian »

Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:34 pm Agree: 10   Disagree: 3

"Because this is the first law to tie free speech to crimes."

I'll say it again, all this legislation does is add GLBT to the list of protected classes. Please explain how adding a new group of people to the protected list changes anything about this law which has been around for almost 20 years? All this does is protect the GLBT community in the same way it has protected members of the faith lifestyle. If its going to impact free speech, it would have impacted it years before this simple change.

Senate Passes Hate Crimes Bill; Obama Expected to Sign

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Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:47 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

If these laws supposedly kill free speech, why then with the existing laws that have protected people of faith, color and disabilities for years have not already killed free speech?

Suddenly when gay people are added to the protected list this changes everything, how?

Calif. Conservatives 'Disappointed' with New Harvey Milk Day

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Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:24 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 2

Flagged as inappropriate. show "minn, there are far more worthy people out there who deserve to have a day set aside for them than Milk. " Not according to the CA Legislature, the Governor of CA and myself as well. There is no more deserving person for this day than Harvey. hide

Calif. Conservatives 'Disappointed' with New Harvey Milk Day

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Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:10 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

"this guy was killed by a person who was angry over the fact he was opposed to reinstating him to his government position and had nothing to do with Milk's homosexual views! I just don't see where hero status comes into this picture! "

I believe his hero status was not that he was killed by anyone, it all has to do his pioneer status in the gay rights movement. If he was still alive today this new holiday would be just a valid and important.

House Approves Hate Crimes Provision in Defense Bill

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Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:42 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 4

"The uproar against hate crime legislation comes from those who continue to serve as the inspiration and inciting to violence of their followers to commit violence against the LGBT Community. No person should have violence directed at them based from a religious belief or ideology, when that happens their religion and especially their ideology is no longer valid nor should any follower continue in its practice since it has utterly failed them entirely and left them morally deficient in every possible situation."

***Applause***

House Approves Hate Crimes Provision in Defense Bill

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Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:32 pm Agree: 26   Disagree: 21

"This measure is about giving special rights based solely on sexual behavior," said Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council. "

This measure only adds to the "special rights" given to the religious community as well which unlike sexual orientation is solely based on unproven beliefs and tales. If you don't like the hate crimes law, then work to rescind the ENTIRE law which includes hate crimes based on someones religious beliefs and not just try to stop another group from being added to the protections because you dislike them or their beliefs.

Gallup: U.S. Jews Still More Supportive of Obama than Christians

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Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"it almost never is about religion but instead it is about the culture."

So then people born into Christian families who as adults become atheists are then "Christian Atheists"?

Gallup: U.S. Jews Still More Supportive of Obama than Christians

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Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:15 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"American Jews by and large are quite agnostic or atheistic in their beliefs so why would they support Israel? "

So doesn't that make them American Atheists then as the would no longer consider themselves Jewish?

Christian Doctor Loses Position over Gay Adoption View

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Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:05 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

"The point is that she just wants to abstain from voting."

That's part of her job, if I said to my boss I want to abstain from doing a specific task because it goes against my principles then I too should be fired. At work you don't get to pick and choose what you want to do, that's why its called work. If I cannot perform the job properly without any prejudice than it's time to find a new line of work.

Senate OKs Hate Crimes Amendment to Must-Pass Defense Bill

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Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:53 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 11

This is very good news, if Christians want to preach hate that in turn causes a violent act to be committed why shouldn't they be punished for their actions that causes someone else anguish.

Hate Crimes Bill Headed for Vote in House Committee

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Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:32 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

"I listen to the national news and check all the news sources of everyday. I keep up with the all national and local happenings. I can't think of a single incident this year that I have heard of where a gay has been physical harmed. I guarantee you a gay was harmed for whatever reason, it was be a top news story and would be told they were gay was the reason for the attack, whether it was or not."

Uh huh, of course ***rolls eyes***

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/14/brothers_arrested_victim_calls_beating_gay_bashing/

Vt. Legislature Overrides Veto; Legalizes Gay Marriage

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Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:10 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

Those darn "activist judges", oh wait ***scratches head***.

Iowa Court Legalizes Gay Marriage

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Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:08 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

"Note, I'm not arguing in favor of preventing gay people from being with the person who they love. I have no problem with civil unions. I just don't want it legally referred to as marriage."
That's called separate but equal (not really even equal) and it doesn't stand a chance in the long run. You know that as well as I.

"Yes, it is their job to interpret the state constitution. However, this doesn't mean that they have the right to strike down a validly enacted law. To do so nullifies the right of the legislature to make laws."
This only nullifies the right of the legislature to make laws that are unconstitutional, its all part of the checks and balances you speak of. The only way around that is to change the constitution.

" In this case, the Iowa Supreme Court struck down a law that was validly enacted by the state legislature. In this respect, they made their own law, which differed from the preexisting one that had been written by the legislature in 1998."
Again then what you are saying is you believe that the legislature has the final say. This is an incorrect assumption as there would be no checks and balances.

"now that we've thrown out Biblical standards, that pedophiles and bestiality won't be just another sexual orientation? You haven't answered it yet and you won't be able"
Huh? Not only am I able to answer you but I already have answered you. Go back and reread some of my posts to you. I said that pedophiles and bestiality harm children and animals, we would never want to allow that because of the physical and emotional suffering to children or the physical suffering of a living animal.

Iowa Court Legalizes Gay Marriage

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Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:24 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

"They can marry someone of the opposite sex just like everybody else can."

So only heterosexual people get to marry the person they love. That's called discrimination and today's ruling affirms that.


"These judges have violated Iowa's separation of powers provisions in their state constitution. "

Sorry you are wrong, the judges have violated absolutely nothing. Just because you don't like their ruling doesn't make it so. It's their job to interpret their state constitution, they wrote in their opinion today:

"We have a constitutional duty to ensure equal protection of the law. If gay and lesbian people must submit to different treatment without an exceedingly persuasive justification, they are deprived of the benefits of the principle of equal protection upon which the rule of law is founded."

Iowa Court Legalizes Gay Marriage

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Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:23 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

logicshouldprevail, just because African Americans were victims of more discrimination in your eyes than gay people are is no excuse to allow or condone discrimination in any form. That's like saying "oh we can discriminate, because its not as bad as others had it". Doesn't work that way.

Why do you think all 7 judges today ruled in favor of ending discrimination? There was no dissent what so ever. You can't possibly believe that all seven judges are so called "activist judges"? This is Iowa after all, not Mass or Connecticut. These judges heard the arguments and could not in their hearts allow the blatant discrimination to continue. The fact that it was a UNANIMOUS decision and from the heartland is going to send a shock wave across the nation for equality. No matter what happens, today is a huge win for fairness and equality, the history books will remember this day when we look back in shame over how we were.

Iowa Court Legalizes Gay Marriage

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Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:15 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

"Whenever God is removed.."

We live in a secular country, which means god is automatically removed when it comes to legislating laws.