believer, my gut is that this administrator probably just saw him in the hall or at lunch and asked him to stop, based on his all-too-common misconceptions about our constitutional rights. From there, Kenneth would have been under scrutiny (as is usually the case) and went a little too far in confiscating his Bible (mentioned in another article), when he continued. I read that even the ACLU’s ...more

believer, my gut is that this administrator probably just saw him in the hall or at lunch and asked him to stop, based on his all-too-common misconceptions about our constitutional rights. From there, Kenneth would have been under scrutiny (as is usually the case) and went a little too far in confiscating his Bible (mentioned in another article), when he continued. I read that even the ACLU’s first response was to say that his rights were violated if he wasn’t “disruptive” to class … whoop dee doo, they’re usually fighting free speech. Anyway, there’s always more underneath, but there could be worse things a 16 yr old could be doing.

Preach on, Ken. And God bless.less

I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but I think we probably do need to hear more of the story. I looked around a little for better details, but so far the only reference to there being more to the story was a spokesperson for the school district saying there was "more to the story"; couldn't specify because of … federal privacy laws.

SBellam asserts, "In this case the rescuer sees hazards that can't be proven (or at least haven't been yet)." ... Hmm, you know, you can't really "prove" per se that evangelizing actually "hurts" anyone. It is just talking after all :^) When you were a Christian ... did you throw life rings at them a lot?

SBellam says, " I doubt he was just carrying a Bible. More likely, he was proselytizing." The article does indicate he was talking to people at lunch and in the hall. Does talking seem scary? If no one else complained, it's doubtful he was "harassing" anyone.

SBellam, Sooooo ... when you were a Christian, did YOU scare people a lot? Did you consider yourself to be scary then? How about now ... do Christians scare you? I'm a little perplexed.

KoneWone2, Thanks. I appreciate it, but don't be proud of me or my actions as a brother. I have a tendancy to lose my patience with unbelievers who just can't seem to understand cultural differences or even nuances beyond their own line of thinking. I know that's not an "Atheist" thing or a "Theist" thing ... but a "Human" thing. But a fellow Christian once told me I have a bit of a "Peter Co...more

KoneWone2, Thanks. I appreciate it, but don't be proud of me or my actions as a brother. I have a tendancy to lose my patience with unbelievers who just can't seem to understand cultural differences or even nuances beyond their own line of thinking. I know that's not an "Atheist" thing or a "Theist" thing ... but a "Human" thing. But a fellow Christian once told me I have a bit of a "Peter Complex". Knowing how Peter tended to act and react in certain situations, you can see the similarity. I know that lot's of us have it, but we should rebuke ourselves if we're reluctant to rebuke each other. Sometimes the unbelievers appear to have more patience, but then I remember that being stubborn is not the same as being patient.

Being saved, I think we take it for granted that we actually have spiritual insight which graces us with understanding that non-believers just don't have. But this doesn't give us any inherent intellectual prowess over them; it's through the Holy Spirit and by the Holy Spirit. I can't speak for all of us on the board (or anywhere for that matter), but I'll say that I should probably be working trying to communicate the subtleties a little better ... which can't be relied upon by my own words, but what the Holy Spirit would say through me when I pray. That sometimes means silence on our part.

One could argue that we show JUST AS MUCH respect to those who come here to deride us and provide topical arguments with no understanding of the substance underneath. (They're not honest seekers). But that's not good enough. We should try to be above that. Our mandate, first and foremost is to deliver the Gospel and let God remove the barriers which seem to cloud the rationale of those who oppose it. But that is done by God's grace as HE sees fit ... Not by our own words, which sometimes seems is just for pride's sake.

Let's remember to pray for each other in solidarity of Christ.less

So hang on to your other replies Smunge ... I'm still trying to see if my little outburst will get my account terminated and posts removed.

What's good for the goose ...

Smunge, good luck to you then. I guess I should have more patience when it really counts. I shoulda thoughta dis guy ... "Nothing does reason more right, than the coolness of those that offer it: For Truth often suffers more by the heat of its defenders, than from the arguments of its opposers" -- William Penn. Sorry about that, Smunge. Reason WILL prevail, but in truth. *sigh* If you're una...more

Smunge, good luck to you then. I guess I should have more patience when it really counts. I shoulda thoughta dis guy ... "Nothing does reason more right, than the coolness of those that offer it: For Truth often suffers more by the heat of its defenders, than from the arguments of its opposers" -- William Penn. Sorry about that, Smunge. Reason WILL prevail, but in truth. *sigh* If you're unable to stomach the Word of God, maybe you can fall back on Immanuel Kant.less

KoneWone2, yeah but I don't think this particular devil has a head with horns. I suspect it looks more like some kind of mushrooming helmet with a hole in the top ... Let's see if THAT gets me kicked off.

Smunge, I'm going to say something rather arrogant ... I guess that Christians just understand the Bible better than you do. There is a lot your missing underneath the terminology, the historacity, the meaning, the cultural context, the spiritual implications, etc... And if you can't start by jumping out of your little box that you can see with you own eyes, and pray about ... you'll never get it...more

Smunge, I'm going to say something rather arrogant ... I guess that Christians just understand the Bible better than you do. There is a lot your missing underneath the terminology, the historacity, the meaning, the cultural context, the spiritual implications, etc... And if you can't start by jumping out of your little box that you can see with you own eyes, and pray about ... you'll never get it.

I don't "condone" slavery ... and neither does the Bible. End of story. KoneWone also has a good explanation, below ... but don't even bother.less

Nojuan's defending slavery here, duheviljuan. Your lie isn't very well thought out.

KoneWone2, that actually was a very good response. I just hope the unbelievers who start reading it actually go past the first couple of sentences. You're a lot more patient than I am today.

Smunge admitted, "I stopped reading after it said ... " ... Remember what I said previously? "My experience is that a lot of atheists will refuse to explore data which might contradict their presuppositions." That's what you just did. You didn't think you would like the answer so you just stopped reading. How are we supposed to respect anything you post here, if you completely disregard the ...more

Smunge admitted, "I stopped reading after it said ... " ... Remember what I said previously? "My experience is that a lot of atheists will refuse to explore data which might contradict their presuppositions." That's what you just did. You didn't think you would like the answer so you just stopped reading. How are we supposed to respect anything you post here, if you completely disregard the answers we give to your "questions".

So please consider this ... with clear eyes .. see it for what it is. You're opinions on matters of faith are just THAT; opinions. And furthermore, they are false. Every fact any one of us would present to you has a ready made atheist answer, because atheists have been around as long as the Bible has; as long as people have for that matter. They don't understand the Bible so they make up their own answers and distort interpretations to seek their own ends. They are charlatans looking to distort truth (or sprinkle in half-truths) so that they can justify their own wicked nature.

Atheist are the greatest practitioners of hypocrisy. It is sickening.less

The site I gave you covers some of you're saying here.

Yes, that book as answers. But keep in mind that if you ask me what the square root of 1 is and I say "-1", it's also an answer.

Smunge, There's actually a fairly decent answer for that in gotquestions.org. Search on "does god condone slavery". I won't promise you'll like the answer, but you'll have one. Some unbelievers here will deride that website too, with absolutely no logical foundation except to say that it's written by apologists, which is somehow supposed to make it implicitely unreliable. Hope it helps.

Smunge, I only have a minute (I'm being a time-thief, here) but I want to apologize. I did make a rather impetuous assumption, and your clarification will help me to respond better in the future. Understand there quite a few people who are not looking for honest answers; they've only come to deride our beliefs. There's a measure of sincerity which is lost through internet forums. I still think ...more

Smunge, I only have a minute (I'm being a time-thief, here) but I want to apologize. I did make a rather impetuous assumption, and your clarification will help me to respond better in the future. Understand there quite a few people who are not looking for honest answers; they've only come to deride our beliefs. There's a measure of sincerity which is lost through internet forums. I still think CP should bring back an emoticon selection.

BTW, the 'Reply' only appears on the top-tier of a post. You can "reply to someone's reply" by clicking 'Reply' next to your own name in this case, or the tier1 post that a reply is under. That's a lotta replies! ... hope that made sense.less

Bernard, Jesus was very clear on this.

I could probably give you lots of sites to serve as stepping stones for answers to your questions, but unfortunately a lot of that data was assembled by Christians ... people you may not trust because they believe in things that can't be measured easily in nature. My experience is that a lot of atheists will refuse to explore data which might contradict their presuppositions. And YES ... lots of...more

I could probably give you lots of sites to serve as stepping stones for answers to your questions, but unfortunately a lot of that data was assembled by Christians ... people you may not trust because they believe in things that can't be measured easily in nature. My experience is that a lot of atheists will refuse to explore data which might contradict their presuppositions. And YES ... lots of Christians do that too. However, their eternal souls are not in danger because of it. I like to to play Devil's Advocate, because I'm confident in my faith. God always provides the answers ... His sovereignty works in tandem with what I do ... research it to death until I'm $#&*ing satified ;^)less