NAE Deals with Criticism After Immigration Statement

Norski »

Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:42 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

It is quite clear from the following passages that law breaking behavior including Illegal Entry, Illegal Presence, Identity Fraud, Identity Theft, coveting what one’s neighbor owns, and bearing false witness cannot lead to good just as the bad tree cannot produce good fruit.

Luke 6:41 Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 42 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye. 43 For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit. 44 For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush. 45 The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.

NAE Deals with Criticism After Immigration Statement

Norski »

Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:50 am Agree: 10   Disagree: 2

Apparently those who would claim that deporting Illegal Immigrants is against God’s will fail to see the difference between welcoming the legal, law abiding Stranger and welcoming the law-breaking Illegal Immigrant. Have they forgotten Christianity expects and equal dose of responsibility and accountability for every exhortation of love thy neighbor?

Conversely, I am unaware of any place in the Bible where God says go forth and commit crimes - identity theft, fraud, illegal entry. Nor have I found a passage that says the ends justify the means. And where does it say that having a need absolves one of having to obey the law?

But I have seen the following verses:

Romans 13: 1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

1 Peter 2: 13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lords sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.

John 10 Parable of the Good Shepherd: 1 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.

Luke 17: 3Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,

Maybe I missed something, but to date I have not seen any Illegal Immigrants come forward and turn themselves in to authorities, saying forgive me. Instead, I see many unrepentant Illegal Immigrants who have plenty of excuses as to why they broke the law, who continue to use false documents, who have plenty of demands to change our law, and who are quick to demand their rights. Is not breaking the law because you covet something your neighbor has a sin? Is not identity fraud bearing false witness and thus a sin? Thus is not forgiving unrepentant sin the same as condoning that sin, and thus participating in that sin? Or when it comes to Illegal Immigrants do those who support their actions believe that the Ten Commandments and other pronouncements against breaking the law are just guidelines to be ignored when inconvenient or when someone has a need?

If one had faith the size of a mustard seed one would know deported Illegal Immigrants are not going to their deaths nor are they going to Hades. If they learned anything while in the USA, deported Illegal Immigrants will work and fight to make their future bright no matter where they live. And if they are smart someday they may re-write history in their own country. If you believe God truly has a plan for each of us, is it not arrogance to assume that not getting your way is a bad thing? And is it not arrogance or delusion to assume that you can even know what that plan is?

Faith Leaders Re-Ignite Immigration Debate

Norski »

Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:35 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

Continued
1 Peter 2: 13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lords sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.

John 10 Parable of the Good Shepherd: 1 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.

Luke 17: 3Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,

Maybe I missed something, but to date I have not seen any Illegal Immigrants come forward and turn themselves in to authorities, saying forgive me. Instead, I see many unrepentant Illegal Immigrants who have plenty of excuses as to why they broke the law, who continue to use false documents, who have plenty of demands to change our law, and who are quick to demand their rights. Is not breaking the law because you covet something your neighbor has a sin? Is not identity fraud bearing false witness and thus a sin? Thus is not forgiving unrepentant sin the same as condoning that sin, and thus participating in that sin? Or when it comes to Illegal Immigrants do these Religious Leaders believe that the Ten Commandments and other pronouncements against breaking the law are just guidelines to be ignored when inconvenient or when someone has a family?

If these Religious Leaders had faith the size of a mustard seed they would know deported Illegal Immigrants are not going to their deaths nor are they going to Hades. If they learned anything while in the U.S., deported Illegal Immigrants will work and fight to make their future bright for themselves and their families no matter where they live. And if they are smart maybe someday they will re-write history in their own countries. Or maybe they will just sit down and whine the rest of their lives. If you believe God truly has a plan for each and every one of us, in the end it is arrogance to assume that not getting your way it is a bad thing.

Faith Leaders Re-Ignite Immigration Debate

Norski »

Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:30 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

Apparently these Religious Leaders fail to see the difference between welcoming the legal, law abiding Stranger and welcoming the law-breaking Illegal Immigrant. Have they forgotten Christianity expects and equal dose of responsibility and accountability for every exhortation of love thy neighbor?

Conversely, I am unaware of any place in the Bible where God says go forth and commit crimes - identity theft, fraud, illegal entry. Nor have I found a passage that says the end justify the means. And where does it say that having a family absolves one of having to obey the law?

But I have seen the following verses:

Romans 13: 1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

1 Peter 2: 13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.

John 10: 1 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.

Luke 17: 3Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,

Maybe I missed something, but to date I have not seen any Illegal Immigrants come forward and turn themselves in to authorities, saying forgive me. Instead, I see many unrepentant Illegal Immigrants who have plenty of excuses as to why they broke the law, who continue to use false documents, who have plenty of demands to change our law, and who are quick to demand their rights. Is not breaking the law because you covet something your neighbor has a sin? Is not identity fraud bearing false witness and thus a sin? Thus is not forgiving unrepentant sin the same as condoning that sin, and thus participating in that sin? Or when it comes to Illegal Immigrants do these Religious Leaders believe that the Ten Commandments and other pronouncements against breaking the law are just guidelines to be ignored when inconvenient or when someone has a family?

If these Religious Leaders had faith the size of a mustard seed they would know deported Illegal Immigrants are not going to their deaths nor are they going to Hades. If they learned anything while in the U.S., deported Illegal Immigrants will work and fight to make their future bright for themselves and their families no matter where they live. And if they are smart maybe someday they will re-write history in their own countries. Or maybe they will just sit down and whine the rest of their lives. If you believe God truly has a plan for each and every one of us, in the end it is arrogance to assume that not getting your way it is a bad thing.

Faith Leaders Re-Ignite Immigration Debate

Norski »

Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:24 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Apparently these “Religious Leaders” fail to see the difference between welcoming the legal, law abiding Stranger and welcoming the law-breaking Illegal Immigrant. Have they forgotten Christianity expects an equal dose of responsibility and accountability for every exhortation of “love thy neighbor”?

Conversely, I am unaware of any place in the Bible where God says go forth and commit crimes - identity theft, fraud, illegal entry. Nor have I found a passage that says the end justify the means. And where does it say that having a family absolves one of having to obey the law?

But I have seen the following verses:

Romans 13: 1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

1 Peter 2: 13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.

John 10: 1"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.

Luke 17: "3Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,"

Maybe I missed something, but to date I have not seen any Illegal Immigrants come forward and turn themselves in to authorities, saying "forgive me". Instead, I see many unrepentant Illegal Immigrants who have plenty of excuses as to why they broke the law, who continue to use false documents, who have plenty of demands to change our law, and who are quick to demand their "rights". Is not breaking the law because you covet something your neighbor has a sin? Is not identity fraud bearing false witness and thus a sin? Thus is not forgiving unrepentant sin the same as condoning that sin, and thus participating in that sin? Or when it comes to Illegal Immigrants do these "Religious Leaders" believe that the Ten Commandments and other pronouncements against breaking the law are just guidelines to be ignored when inconvenient or when someone has a family?

If these “Religious Leaders” had faith the size of a mustard seed they would know deported Illegal Immigrants are not going to their deaths nor are they going to Hades. If they learned anything while in the U.S., deported Illegal Immigrants will work and fight to make their future bright for themselves and their families no matter where they live. And if they are smart maybe someday they will re-write history in their own countries. Or maybe they will just sit down and whine the rest of their lives. If you believe God truly has a plan for each and every one of us, in the end it is arrogance to assume that not getting your way it is a bad thing.

Faith Communities Launch Immigration Reform Campaign

Norski »

Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:03 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

Romans 13: 1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

1 Peter 2: 13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.

John 10 Parable of the Good Shepherd: 1"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.

Luke 17: "3Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,"

These folks fail to see the difference between welcoming the legal, law abiding Stranger and welcoming the law-breaking Illegal Immigrant. Maybe I missed something, but to date I have not seen any Illegal Immigrants come forward and turn themselves in to authorities, saying "forgive me". Instead, I see many unrepentant Illegal Immigrants who have plenty of excuses as to why they broke the law, who continue to use false documents, who have plenty of demands to change our law, and who are quick to demand their "rights". Is not breaking the law because you covet something your neighbor has a sin? Is not identity fraud bearing false witness and thus a sin? Thus is not forgiving unrepentant sin the same as condoning that sin, and thus participating in that sin? Or maybe these folks think that when it comes to Illegal Immigrants those pesky Ten Commandments and other such pronouncements against breaking the law are just guidelines to be ignored when inconvenient? And especially to be ignored if someone has a family? I would appreciate someone pointing out that part of scriptures that says that if you have a family you can violate the law with impunity.