Dwights, you said, “…and yet they are…” that is the reality of it my friend. I disagree with your other statement however, you say that “…our interpretations of infallible Scripture are fallible, even when we claim to be led by the Holy Spirit”…You have gone from “can be” wrong to they “are” wrong without specifically giving an example; I know you do not want to go there bu...more

Dwights, you said, “…and yet they are…” that is the reality of it my friend. I disagree with your other statement however, you say that “…our interpretations of infallible Scripture are fallible, even when we claim to be led by the Holy Spirit”…You have gone from “can be” wrong to they “are” wrong without specifically giving an example; I know you do not want to go there but nevertheless I thought I should point that out.

I don’t believe that sharing Scripture is unproductive at all; when a disagreement arises on a particular subject it is wise to support those beliefs biblically. It is most unproductive on the other hand when certain claims are made that something is apostolic or biblical in nature but yet upon closer examination there is none. You said you hope to sway me by using the very same Word; that is all we have been asking for.

You also asked if I have ever admitted to someone that I was wrong when it came to a matter of Scriptural interpretation; my answer is yes. It was during a time when I claimed that my faith was the only true faith but I did not know the Scriptures at all but I had only been reciting the dogmas that the church believed.

As I mentioned earlier I know which direction you are heading so why not just come out with it? ;)less

Msn, you sound a bit irritated my friend; instead of making this personal I would simply ask that you rightly divide the Word of truth...Oh, and I have yet to read in the New Testament where your traditions were taught by the apostles…

msn, it would beneficial if you could reference the particular passage that you are speaking of…Also, read Acts 11 one more time and notice that nothing was said of the Gentiles abstaining from the mosaic law; this vision helped Peter understand [by using the dietary laws] that the Gentiles were not to be considered unclean…Once again, you are imposing something into the text that is not there...more

msn, it would beneficial if you could reference the particular passage that you are speaking of…Also, read Acts 11 one more time and notice that nothing was said of the Gentiles abstaining from the mosaic law; this vision helped Peter understand [by using the dietary laws] that the Gentiles were not to be considered unclean…Once again, you are imposing something into the text that is not there…less

ihs, as usual you post quite a bit of information without biblical support…You are right; the word Trinity is not in Scripture but it is explicitly taught; have you heard of the Godhead? You seem to have a short memory since I have repeatedly posted an admission from your church where they openly admit that they did not give the canon… You said, The Church of Rome-Roman Catholicism has exis...more

ihs, as usual you post quite a bit of information without biblical support…You are right; the word Trinity is not in Scripture but it is explicitly taught; have you heard of the Godhead? You seem to have a short memory since I have repeatedly posted an admission from your church where they openly admit that they did not give the canon…

You said, The Church of Rome-Roman Catholicism has existed since Peter and Paul established this Church”

Sorry, this is incorrect; please read Acts 11 and notice that the Church in Jerusalem sent out leaders and prophets to minister and share the gospel…The Church of Rome was a later development. Again, a good portion of your traditions are not found in the New Testament; you may want to ponder that for a while…

Also, please reference where Jesus or the apostles quoted your traditions…less

Dwights, that scenario does happen; although I have yet to see anyone here seriously take a collective look at one particular topic and go verse by verse to come to an ultimate conclusion. Though person 1 or 2 may disagree as to what they think a passage says; in some cases a passage does not say what person 1 or 2 implies. This however, has been the case throughout church history; there has been ...more

Dwights, that scenario does happen; although I have yet to see anyone here seriously take a collective look at one particular topic and go verse by verse to come to an ultimate conclusion. Though person 1 or 2 may disagree as to what they think a passage says; in some cases a passage does not say what person 1 or 2 implies. This however, has been the case throughout church history; there has been disagreements from the very beginning…Eventually, every man must be persuaded in his own mind [Romans 14:5] and we are told that we stand or fall unto God; not unto man [Romans 14:4].less

Also, you did not answer my question; how did you come to know that Jesus is the only way?

Dwights, I believe we are saying the same thing here and as to why some may come to a different interpretation of Scripture has already been posted. Yes, the Holy Spirit will not lead one into a wrong interpretation; however, we do have a part to play in this. We cannot sit on our hands if you will and not study, not pray, not submit our preconceived ideas, not gather the collective passages on a ...more

Dwights, I believe we are saying the same thing here and as to why some may come to a different interpretation of Scripture has already been posted. Yes, the Holy Spirit will not lead one into a wrong interpretation; however, we do have a part to play in this. We cannot sit on our hands if you will and not study, not pray, not submit our preconceived ideas, not gather the collective passages on a given subject and say the Holy Spirit is leading me. Again, through the collective witness of God’s Word [the Holy Spirit’s witness] will determine who is right and who is wrong…less

Yes, you are misunderstanding what I am saying. If you believe that the Holy Spirit is infallible and you agree that He has authored Holy Scripture why do you seem to be looking for another interpreter? For example, how do you know that Jesus is the only way to salvation?

Misinterpretation of what? We are discussing the interpretation of God's Word; you are setting up a false dichotomy here. The Holy Spirit authored the Word and as we agreed, He will not lead us to a misinterpretation of it; that is the Word of God.

msn, you may want to read the New Testament and consider the fact that a good portion of the church of Rome’s dogmas are clearly absent…Since that is the case we conclude that the Roman Church gradually developed much later than she claims…

That my friend is unavoidable…We are discussing interpretations of the Bible; one cannot speak on this issue without giving examples. We all agree that the Holy Spirit is infallible; right? Here is another point to consider; since the Holy Spirit authored the Scriptures [2 Peter 1:21] we shouldn’t classify other works [writings] to be of equal value with them…So, it is within the pages of Ho...more

That my friend is unavoidable…We are discussing interpretations of the Bible; one cannot speak on this issue without giving examples. We all agree that the Holy Spirit is infallible; right? Here is another point to consider; since the Holy Spirit authored the Scriptures [2 Peter 1:21] we shouldn’t classify other works [writings] to be of equal value with them…So, it is within the pages of Holy Scripture that we find the mind and will of the Holy Spirit...less

Obviously, one or both of them may be wrong...lol...Seriously, if that is the case then one is wrong...Again, a specific example may have to be given to determine who it is that is in the wrong...

I agree and disagree…I agree that the Holy Spirit cannot lead someone into a wrong interpretation of the Scriptures but I disagree when you say, “regardless of any of the factors that you point out.” The Word of God tells us that “And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him” [Acts 5:32]. If we refuse to study as we ar...more

I agree and disagree…I agree that the Holy Spirit cannot lead someone into a wrong interpretation of the Scriptures but I disagree when you say, “regardless of any of the factors that you point out.” The Word of God tells us that “And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him” [Acts 5:32]. If we refuse to study as we are told [2 Timothy 2:15] how can we rightly divide the Word of truth?less

Dwights, yes; one may be wrong but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the other individual does not have the Holy Spirit. There are many factors that contribute to a wrong interpretation of the Scriptures; many simply do not know the Scriptures and for the most part regurgitate what they have heard. Some preach Christ without sincerity [Philippians 1:6], some use poor hermeneutics by taking ...more

Dwights, yes; one may be wrong but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the other individual does not have the Holy Spirit. There are many factors that contribute to a wrong interpretation of the Scriptures; many simply do not know the Scriptures and for the most part regurgitate what they have heard.

Some preach Christ without sincerity [Philippians 1:6], some use poor hermeneutics by taking passages out of context [Isaiah 28:10], some lack faith to simply take God’s Word at face value [Romans 4:20], pride can hinder one’s understanding of His Word [Matthew 11:25], some are unlearned and unstable [2 Peter 3:16], and some emphasize their tradition over the Word of God [Mark 7:13].

Also, if we are to study a particular subject of the Bible we must gather all the passages pertaining to that one subject and consider their overall testimony. The law of noncontradiction assists our understanding of the Scriptures; the Scriptures will not contradict itself and if there are any changes in belief or practice we will be able to find evidence of these things within its pages…less

First, you'll have to give a specific example and secondly, the same question can be asked of you...

Dwights, saying they can be wrong is not the same as saying that they are wrong...

That goes without saying...Yes...

Come on Dwights...Say whats on your mind; I already know the direction you are heading ;) As I posted earlier; it is the Holy Spirit that teaches...

Yes, they can be wrong; however, to determine this one would have to clearly demonstrate any given error by that authority which Jesus said, “cannot be broken” [John 10:35]…The Holy Scriptures.

Dwights, you are welcome and as for the question: "Would you say that you were infallible?" My answer is no but I would also add that no man is infallible…