Catholic League Launches Campaign to Shed Light on 'Angels and Demons'

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Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Let me try one more time.

I believe baptism to be a gift. To be baptized into the passion, death and resurrection (rom 6:3-4) and thus to rise up is the catalyst that points the baptized towards truly becoming sons of light (1 Thess 5:5) and ultimately putting on Christ. Baptism requires faith. While the act in and of itself is not holy, it is made holy by the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the faith and prayers of the parents and the community (Titus 3:5, Mark 16:16). While this faith is not mature nor perfect, through a lifetime of learning within the body of Christ (1 Cor 12:13), it can bring about a deep communion with our Lord.

To deny such a gift to a child I believe contradicts the comman of the Lord to baptize all nations and hundreds of years of orthodox Christian teaching, be it Catholic, Orthodox or Prostestant.

In a world that so desperately wants us to go away and for our teaching and tradtions to disappear, I will continue to fully support all baptism. It is strong witness to our Christian heritage.

While I suspect you and others will disagree with much of this, I look forward to continuing such dialogue in the future. God Bless

Catholic League Launches Campaign to Shed Light on 'Angels and Demons'

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Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:55 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

Whew, certainly some lively discussions on this board! I think that's great.

Believer, sorry it has taken a full day to return but I will try to make my point here.

It appears that there is no linear connection between the Baptist's (Dunkers :) act and the Torah. There are rituals and certain Old Testatment passages that point to it, but nothing exact. I find it interesting then that our Lord did not direct him to cease but rather submits to the act, while the Trinity is made manifest. It would have to be done to fulfill all righteousness, ultimately the fulfillment of the law in Christ. Further, he directs his Apostles to baptize all. He certainly appears to accept what some might define, at the time, as an extra biblical teaching/ritual.

Yet, many on this board are told they are wrong for incorporating any extra-biblical act into their worship and/or belief system today. Does this seem ironic?

Catholic League Launches Campaign to Shed Light on 'Angels and Demons'

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Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:19 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

I'll ask my question again. Perhaps O4H knows the answer. Where in the Torah would the Baptist have found the correct formula for adminstering "a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins"?

Prophet, a full on-line copy of the Catechism is available at usccb.org.

Catholic League Launches Campaign to Shed Light on 'Angels and Demons'

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Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:06 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

Prophet, what is your scriptural reference for that answer related to baptism?

Also, can we expect citations from the Catechism of the Catholic Church in regard to your earlier posts on what popes "say"?

Catholic League Launches Campaign to Shed Light on 'Angels and Demons'

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Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Believer, I do have a question for you on your earlier post concerning the Baptist, the reference that he perhaps started the denomination and it would be the first. Realizing you adhere to sola scriptura, do you find it interesting that the Baptist introduces an act (baptism)that I can find nowhere in the Torah, however our Lord submits to the act and the Spirit manifests himself?

Catholic League Launches Campaign to Shed Light on 'Angels and Demons'

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Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Believer, that is a common practice here in my diocese as well. Additionally, our bishop has the audacity to wash the feet of those coming into Church during Good Friday services. Traditionally, this is at the late service as he spends much of the day at the regional prison washing the feet of inmates.

Traditional Anglicans Want to Join Catholic Church

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Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I believe this to be very exciting news! Additional articles I've read on other websites have indicated more news may be released nearer to the Easter Vigil Mass.

Catholic League Launches Campaign to Shed Light on 'Angels and Demons'

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Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:34 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Prophet, regarding your references on what the popes "say", would you be able to cite in the Cathechism of the Catholic Church where those statements are? Just provide a paragraph number, that's all I would need.

If not, could you provide your references? Thank you

Over 5,000 Pastors Pledge to Keep Sermons Purely Biblical

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Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:34 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Good comeback...

Honestly, I would hope after reading some of these posts that several on this board could take a break from the rhetoric which seems to rise well above a decent discussion. I can understand that some feel obligated to respond to what they believe is false teaching, but I can assure you none of this is a good witness to the atheists/securalists who also read this site.

Take a deep breath! I ask this for my Catholic brothers and sisters as well.

Over 5,000 Pastors Pledge to Keep Sermons Purely Biblical

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Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I'm your huckleberry..................