Gays Still Looking for Love from Christians

Rowen »

Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:57 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

cmrk,

I'm not talking about temptation. I'm discussing the idea that homosexuality is somehow a choice/product of someone's upbringing rather then something ingrained in them. (Which, I'm not stating to make you accept homosexuality. Other people have already made the claim that there are plenty of people who are naturally predisposed to a lot of things that are sinful) I'm going to assume you're heterosexual. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but going on. Being heterosexual means you're attracted to members of the opposite sex. Someone who has gone through reparative therapy and is now heterosexual, wouldn't be tempted by gay sex. I've heard many speakers give testimony as to how they are now completely heterosexual, married to someone of the opposite sex, etc. Yet, most of them still claim to be tempted by members of the same sex. That doesn't sound like heterosexuality to me.

I say all this because, based on what I've seen, reparative therapy isn't working, is based on out-dated methods, and isn't helping anyone's cause, anywhere. How about we try something a little more humane? Or do you honestly think that Jesus likes us to back methods that help contribute to the suicide rate and has broken many young minds past the point of no return?

Gays Still Looking for Love from Christians

Rowen »

Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:11 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

Blessedman,

Do you have any proof that "born gay" is a lie? For every ex-gay person I've meet, there's an ex-ex-gay person who claims it doesn't work. And that's not counting all the ex-gays I've heard talk about being cured, but still being tempted. (If you are no longer homosexual, then how can you be tempted by the same sex?) Furthermore, if it's some strange society thing, then why are there many documented cases of animals, in the wild even (so it's not just a captivity thing), who choose same sex partners?

(Note: At the moment, I don't say this so that you all will suddenly change your minds and embrace homosexuality. I say this because, like I've stated before, there's something about homosexuality that turns us from rational people into idiots willing to read any article and claim it as fact. One of my favorite quotes is "No one is entitled to an opinion. Everyone is entitled to an informed opinion.")

Gays Still Looking for Love from Christians

Rowen »

Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:31 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Pammie,

I'm not sure I get what you're saying. Are you saying it's ok for Christians to be hateful and act foolish because there are gay people (many who've had a VERY hard time with the Christian community) who are hateful and act foolish?

Gays Still Looking for Love from Christians

Rowen »

Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:16 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Chris,

Go over what I said again. Usually, "love the sinner, hate the sin" comes with actions that say that the person actually "hates the sin, and hates the sinner even more." I'm not, nor have I ever, advocated that we should go around telling people that everything is ok. However, and if you will actually read what I'm saying, is that when we deal with other sins, we recognize that the sinners are human. When we deal with homosexuality, we become raving lunatics who are incapable of holding a rational conversation and we start seeing more conspiracy theories then a lonely teenager reading J.D. Salinger.

Gays Still Looking for Love from Christians

Rowen »

Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:37 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

Here's a little bit of trivia for ya. The Bible can't condemn the modern day concept of homosexuality because the modern day concept of homosexuality was coined about 150 years ago, or so.

What it can do, though, is condemn actions. I'm not about to open that can of worms, since I've found that arguing online ends up being more about self gratification then anything else.

What I can say, and have said time and time again (even though some people insist on putting words in my mouth) is that when many Christians judge and condemn (or whatever you want to call it) other sins besides homosexual acts, they tend to remember the human. You don't see liars, divorcees, atheists, non-Christians, etc being pistol whipped and left to die of exposure because "God told me to." There's also, usually, a certain level of toleration. As in, "I'm probably not going to convince my Hindu neighbors that they are sinners by yelling and screaming and trying to change the First Amendment so that they can't worship, so why don't we act neighborly and invite them to church on Sunday or dinner." Yet, all this goes right out the window when the topic of homosexuals pops up. Suddenly, everyone knows exactly what God is thinking and exactly what our fellow humans are thinking. We become unneighborly and inhumane. I once saw a news report where a Christian social worker took a child out of her foster parents' home, because the parents were lesbians, and tried to put the child back with her birth mother, who was still a crack addicted prostitute, but heterosexual. That's not love. That's not godliness. That's human stupidity and egotism.

Frankly, I've heard enough of people spouting "love the sinner, hate the sin." The actions that many Christians take do not show love. I'm saying that you have to wholly embrace their lifestyle, but this vitriol has got to stop. Jesus said to love God with all our hearts and to love one another as we love God. If that's how you love God, He must be very sad.

Gays Still Looking for Love from Christians

Rowen »

Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:21 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

GMG,

Unfortunately, I haven't seen this movement or discussion against divorce. Sure, it gets mentioned now and then, but there's NOTHING like the vitriol hurled at gays, or the money that gets poured into Love Won Out. Divorcees aren't being disowned by their families or having someone sweep in and take their homes and children away. There's large, public campaign to amend the Constitution so that marriage means one man, one woman ONCE. Yet, divorce seems to represent a larger threat to the Christian community then some gays who want to get some secular rights. Not to mention there's plenty of prime time TV shows that show divorced couples, adulterers, and premarital sex. And yet, when ever I see Focus on the Family spouting out messages of hate, it's usually towards gays.

As for gay rights, let me put it this way. Plenty of people believe it to be a sin and that gays are going to hell. There's plenty of people who also believe that non-Christians and atheists are going to hell as well. Yet, these same people are, seemingly, ok with their neighbors and coworkers being non-Christians. Sure, there's some preaching and evangelicizing going on, but again, it's not with the same hatred and passion that goes into hating homosexuals. Why can't we treat homosexuals the same as all those other sinners? (Oh, and before anyone mentions this, there is NO gay agenda. Just as there's no black agenda, or Jew agenda, or illegal immigrant agenda, or whatever minority is currently in vogue. What you're seeing is people who don't believe the same as you and are tired of being treated like they are retarded children, as opposed to adults who can make their own choices)

Gays Still Looking for Love from Christians

Rowen »

Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:12 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

Here's the main thing I don't get here.

There is nothing in the saying of Jesus that says he was for or against gays. (the rest of the bible. . . well, that's another story for another day) He was, however, very clear on his stance of divorce. I'm not saying that one sin is greater or lesser then another, gays make up a minority of the population, whereas 50% of marriages end in divorce. Why do I not see a movement in the Christian community with just as much strength as emotion behind it, combating divorce as well? We talk about family values, and what about the children and all, and based on numbers, that seems like a much larger threat, and I don't see anyone doing anything about it.

Am I wrong to think this?