Are Christians Contributing to Unbelief?

Terratone »

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:50 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

I compare your posts to that of the Sirens in the Odyssey.
In Greek mythology, Sirens were part human, part bird. The Sirens lived on a rocky island in the middle of the sea. They sang melodies so beautiful that sailors passing by couldn't resist getting closer to them. Following the sound of music, the sailors would steer their boats towards them or jump in the water to get closer. Either way, it always ended in disaster on the rocks. You with hallow arguements would steer those weak in faith to the rocks.
1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" 2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 Then he said to them, "I can guarantee this truth: Unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever becomes like this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes a child like this in my name welcomes me. 6 "These little ones believe in me. It would be best for the person who causes one of them to lose faith to be drowned in the sea with a large stone hung around his neck.
7 How horrible it will be for the world because it causes people to lose their faith. Situations that cause people to lose their faith will arise. How horrible it will be for the person who causes someone to lose his faith! Matthew18 1:7

Are Christians Contributing to Unbelief?

Terratone »

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:38 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

How can you outside of God's will and wisdom understand what the author is speaking of?
I would compare you to a stranger listening on a family arguement, listening to the heavy debate, but blind to the band of love bought with blood that surrounds them. You do not have ears to hear or eyes to see. The god of this world has blinded you to the beauty in Christ.
As a moth drawn to a flame you come but at a price. If not changed, you drink harm in the Holy light of God.

Thousands Urged to Throw Out Pre-Conceived Notions of Christianity

Terratone »

Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:01 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

I have written this rebuttal, but with a certain sadness in mind. In my opinion Citizen, you are not searching for truth. My fear is that you have sealed yourself in this cocoon of denial that will one day be ripped from you.
Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I hope and pray that you do not continue to “mock” God. The results are irreversible in the end whether you adhere them in your thinking or not.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Heb 10:26-31 (KJV)

Thousands Urged to Throw Out Pre-Conceived Notions of Christianity

Terratone »

Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:00 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

Since we know the definition of the scientific method, there was no need to define it again unless it comes before a long diatribe of unproven suppositions. It is rather inane to say that they, (creationists) do not provide positive evidence. To disprove a “Theory”, you must provide positive evidence. Just because you have a forum where you can make statements of an all encompassing and boisterous nature, does not make your statements correct. More likely than not, ego is what is at stake in your syntax rather than truth.
It is rather refreshing though; even you must agree, although begrudgingly on your part, that you cannot in all wisdom adhere the the labeling of not believing in god, for indeed, in your darkened mind you make yourself the end all and be all of all that you see, in essence you by your actions, are to yourself your own god. You say you identify for a standard of moral code of ethics yet you deny where they themselves stem from. The Creator. I find it sad that you pick and choose as if you are in some sort of buffet of what you will accept, and what you will deny. Just because you do not give glory to God does not not detract from where true“ethics come from”. Why send the website for ethics? I have them already in the Ten Commandments. You apply ethics to your “life” so long as it suits your taste. When they don't you put them aside as orphans on the road, never claiming to have known them. God says to us in His word “I change not”.
God is unchangeable. God's word is unchangeable. In Matthew 24:35, the Lord Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Malachi 3:6 (KJV)

Thousands Urged to Throw Out Pre-Conceived Notions of Christianity

Terratone »

Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:31 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

“You have yet to give evidence that we actually have a pre-ordained purpose, and as for the human condition, "god" has been used many times in the past to explain things about humanity and the world, and later its been found to be unnecessary.”

Later its been found to be unnecessary... By whom? In what context? What lambasting we as Christians would receive if were predisposed to throw out such half hearted attempts of an “answer”. The double standard that you have in your responses are palpable.

“ Disease and insanity used to be thought caused by divine retribution, then we discovered germs and brain chemistry. History shows that jumping to the conclusion "goddidit" is probably not the best way to go. “

First you besmirch God's character by injecting “divine retribution” and then you interject germs and brain chemistry as if they in themselves were simple in complexity by nature and not woven by the wisdom of a Holy God. I wonder in reality who is “jumping” to conclusions in this more heady matter?

Philippians:4:8: Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Unless you have God, these thought are beyond your reach. At best, a cheap two dimensional copy and selfish to its very core. Used or be used is the anthem of the ungodly. Provoke and do not provide. Chastise and not bring up. Promote self and demean others is it's battle cry.

Thousands Urged to Throw Out Pre-Conceived Notions of Christianity

Terratone »

Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:31 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

"Nerohdam1: creationism/ID does not meet definition 3a, which is the definition that applies to the profession of science. The other definitions are informal and colloquial."

Question: Why does Creation/ ID not "meet" the definition that applies to the profession of "science"? Hmm... Possibly due to presuppositions as to what the "profession is"?
Assumptions rather that well thought out searching. Cheap short cuts and prideful ignorance rather than humble, heartfelt, and truthful searching.

"The other definitions are informal and colloquial." Pardon me if I am wrong but this sentence smacks of arrogance. Trivializing the rest of the definitions opens volumes of the inner workings and character of the writer.

"How can you eliminate anything if you don't look to the positive physical evidence to set the standard for judging what is and is not objectively true."

Your supposition of the positive physical evidence being neglected in the processes of elimination is unfounded and not well thought out. Rather than holding desperately to the "facts" you cling to, honestly search out what is so readily available to probe.
Also what standards do you pursue since you believe there is no God? Why should you care? Eat and be merry for tomorrow we die. In your existence without God you are without merit. A blob of flesh without any true nobility. Your thoughts are inconsequential, mere guttural sounds emanating from a hole perchance to fall somewhere you call your face. You without God are meaningless and without any “purpose”. In the “world's” terms you are a bag of chemicals. If you grow old or injured, and cannot pull your own weight, you should be exorcised for the betterment of society. Survival of the fittest. Your standards are selfish and soulless without the refining interaction from a Holy God that exists outside your thought processes.

Thousands Urged to Throw Out Pre-Conceived Notions of Christianity

Terratone »

Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:21 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Citizen,
What made you stop believing in God? I don't want to criticize you, just understand.

Thousands Urged to Throw Out Pre-Conceived Notions of Christianity

Terratone »

Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:03 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause...
Are there such things as foolish people?
What is Jesus saying in this passage?
Who is he referring to?
Brother?
Without a cause...hmm.
What is the spirit of Jesus action here?
Can it be in a different context from the psalmist.
hmm...
the fool hath said in his heart...
to himself..
in his mind..
there is no God...
Why was he foolish?
Because he denied that there is no God.
Are there foolish people on earth.... ask a drunk driver.
Hmm...
Anger and hard language toward a fellow believer as supposed to a description of who a foolish person is.
Is this too difficult for you to understand?

Ephesians:4:18: Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Thousands Urged to Throw Out Pre-Conceived Notions of Christianity

Terratone »

Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:27 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Psalms:14:1: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
Romans:1:18: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Romans:1:19: Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Romans:1:20: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Romans:1:21: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Romans:1:22: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Romans:1:30: Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Romans:1:31: Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Romans:1:32: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Proverbs:1:24: Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
Proverbs:1:25: But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
Proverbs:1:26: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
Proverbs:1:27: When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
Proverbs:1:28: Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
Proverbs:1:29: For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
Proverbs:1:30: They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
Proverbs:1:31: Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
Proverbs:1:32: For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
Proverbs:1:33: But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.