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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)
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The children of Israel entered into Egypt with 70 people and left with millions. Even though they had been oppresed, God kept his faithfulness to Abraham and made them as numerous as the sand on the seashore(Deut. 10:22). While God did ordain Numbers and the numbering of the people(Numbers 1), it wasn't so that the different tribes of Israel could boast about how much THEY had grown, but so that God could show the people how He was able to sustain them and multiply them, even in the wilderness and in lack. Also, he also numbered them after he had punished them for their disobedience (Numbers 26).
In 2 Samuel 24, God made David number the people. He wanted to fulfill his anger against them. Verse 1 says, "And again the anger of the Lord was kindled AGAINST Israel, and HE MOVED David AGAINST them to say, 'Go, NUMBER ISRAEL AND JUDAH'"--(2 Sam. 24:1). Joab, the head of his army, had tried to persuade David against it but not no avail. But in verse 10 David realized his error and asked for mercy from God. 800,000 was numbered of the valiant men and 70,000 died that day... how many of our people are dying today?
Read 2 Samuel 24. Thats the course of the present day church and what our leaders need to do, even now. Ask yourselves, why do you delight in it(2 Sam. 24:3)? What glory does God receive in people claiming HIS SAINTS as their own? Are you counting the wheats with the tares? Only God knows alone the number of his saints, and they're not all in the religous church system... Let God keep track; He alone knows. God bless.
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I dont think Jesus advicated fighting physically either. He made it known that we would face opposition but he never said to defend yourself against it. If he is our example of "overcoming the world"(John 16:33), and he did it by committing his soul to God, then shouldn't we be ready AND willing to lose our life for the gospel's sake and not try to save it(Mark 8:35)? There seems to be more gained from that? "For to me to live [is] Christ, and to die [is] gain." - Philippians 1:21. I only pray for the courage to stand boldly and lay down my life.
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2 Timothy 2:24-3:16 - Sounds familiar?
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was. 10 But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance, 11 persecutions, afflictions, which happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra--what persecutions I endured. And out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
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"Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing. Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ: whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in theri shame, who mind earthly things." Philippians 3:13-18
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"You can bury your talent if you want but I want to hear "well done" when Jesus comes back."
Again, you are misinterpretting scripture and using it for your agenda. Let's look at the scripture you are referring to: (Matthew 25:14-18, 24-29)
"For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey. Then he who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents. And likewise he who had received two gained two more also. But he who had received one went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord's money... Then he who had received the one talent came and said, 'Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours. "But his lord answered and said to him, 'You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. Therefore take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents. For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away."
The "talent" wasn't voting rights or democracy. The "money" represents the gifts the Lord gives to us out of his "treasury". It was given to "his servants". (isn't voting available to all? is that from God then?) The sharing of this gifts to produce more from God is what we ought to be doing and not trying to voice our opinion through policies. God never intended for us to be lead by men in the first place(read 1 Samuel 8:1-9). And even now, we should be lead by the Holy Spirit, not by man (Romans 8:14 and 1 John 2:27). Now if God puts it on your heart to vote, fine. The Lord hasn't done that for me. But whomever goes into office, God has placed there for his divine purpose. I won't fight nor object nor try to force my will. I don't want to continue to do what they world does, I want to be sanctified and set apart... That's my only hope.
I'm pressing forward toward which im called heaven-ward.
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"So, all the Scripture where Jesus was correcting the politicians (religious leaders because they were the same in that society) were just wrong?? Incorrect? Not translated correctly?"
If the politicans were the religious leaders, why do we focus our attention on the politicans/social leaders of today? They have nothing to do with our religion. Why not address the religious leaders within the body of Christ: priests, deacons, bishops, pastors, evangelists, "prophets"?
"Who says I love being accountable for my vote? Politics makes me want to puke. Still, I have a responsibility in a democracy."
Where in the bible does it say we have a "responsibility" to the government we live in? We are subjected to their authority, and are told to pray for our leaders.
"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men: For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and accceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:1-4
That's our responsibility to this democracy! Whomever God puts in office is because He wanted them there.
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the power that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation." Romans 13:1-2
There is NOWHERE in this country's constitution that I, or any person, has to do vote. Therefore, not voting is not sin (as you implying I was doing earlier: "To him that knows to do good and doesn't do it, to him is it SIN."). So, my duty is to pray for, not pick the next president or vote on various laws that govern this world. My laws have already been set; the Word of God governs me throughout my day. This world's "law" is just an anti-Christ version of God's, seeking to camaflogue the commandments of God as theire own and eliminate the need to follow God and not man.
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"if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. Now My eyes will be open and My ears attentive to prayer made in this place. For now I have chosen and sanctified this house, that My name may be there forever; and My eyes and My heart will be there perpetually." 2 Chron. 7:14-16
"Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution." 2 Timothy 3:12
"The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears,
And delivers them out of all their troubles. The LORD is near to those who have a broken heart, And saves such as have a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous,But the LORD delivers him out of them all. He guards all his bones;Not one of them is broken. Evil shall slay the wicked,And those who hate the righteous shall be condemned. The LORD redeems the soul of His servants, And none of those who trust in Him shall be condemned." Psalm 34:17-22
"Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." Matthew 24:9-14
Prepare the way of the Lord... He's soon coming. STAND!! YOURE REDEMPTION DRAWS NIGH!!!
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Christ didn't hang out with the "scum", he spent time with the oppressed, the lowly, the rejected... all whom he proclaimed to have been sent to: "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised." Luke 4:18... ACTUALLY... Christ came for HIS PEOPLE!! "For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they ahve received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them." John 17:8-9. Christ came for his own and to redeem His people. We are not scum... we are His children...
I put my faith in Christ because that's where power is and I need all the help I can get to overcome my flesh... and this world.
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"Jesus was not a social passivist. In fact, He chewed out the social leaders for stealing from widows and how they treated orphans. He hung out with the scum and ministered to them. Maybe our country would be better off if the Christians were Christ-like...."
"And as he spake, a certain Pharisee besought him to dine with him: and he went in, and sat down to meat. And when the Pharisee saw it,he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner. And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness. Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also? Bt rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you. But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogue, and greetings in the markets. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them." Luke 11:37-44
Christ didn't come to deal with the "social leaders" of this world. He came to deal with the religious ones. (Because the faith of a man controls his actions and their rules governed society). Christ came to deal with the hypocrisy of that day. The Pharisees were more concerned with the social things that they had forgotten the more important matters... sounds familiar? Christ rebuked the Pharisees for making it hard for people to enter into the kingdom of God. Christ spent his time sharing the kingdom of God will all that would listen BUT spent time explaining to his disciples "because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given." (Mathhew 13:11).
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"One of Satans biggest lies is that we are to not care about our world outside of the religious aspect. This gives him complete control."
"Love not the world, neither the things that are IN the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him" 1 John 2:15
Actually, the biggest lie of Satan is the same reason he fell: sin of pride; he tried to exalt himself the throne of God and he attempts to get us to do the same when we neglect the Lordship of God to lead our everyday lives. God is and will always be in control of His chosen people because they yeild to Him. The world is under the control of the god of this world. God is sovereign and nothing is done without Him knowing and allowing. The world will always out of control as long as the hearts of men IN it are corrupt and in conflict with God.
"The problem is the Bible says to be IN the world but not of it. I am in the world. I am in my government. I am in my local schools. I am in my local community. I am NOT of the worlds mindset."
"And be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is the good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Romans 12:2
I agree with you... we are in the world but we shouldnt be seeking to find our place within it's means of living. Your means of seeking change is IN the ways of the world: legislature, government, elections... God alone wants to represent you (Christian means follower of Christ) and the Holy Spirit guides us, not the policy of an elected official. Transformation comes from a renewed mind and heart and only God can give that. When they receive it, then their actions will turn from evil to godly.
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Where in the bible does it say we've been given "democracy" to steward? I thought we received the gospel and the testimony of Jesus Christ? To focus primarily on the conditions of this world as a means of experiencing "heaven on earth" is deceiving and unproductive. This world is controlled by the god of this world. We don't have to worry about or concern ourselves w/ this social issues because CHRIST OVERCAME THIS WORLD!! That's all that matters. We'll overcome it too. We should be trying to labor in the word, using the word of God as the tool by which things in earth change: because once a person's heart is changed, then so will their actions. Yes, we should await the master's return because there is where our salvation is complete. I'm not expecting perfection in this decaying world (but I am striving for perfection in this earthen vessel); looking forward to His giving us a NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH!! All unrighteousness will be judged and done away with. We should be preaching repentance, grace, and discipleship so that we, the people, can live now and later. The gospel is what changes a person, saves them, and prepares them for all good works. Why wait on legislature? We have God. For the weapons of our warfare are NOT carnal(worldly) but mighty THROUGH God to the pulling down of strongholds... 2 Corinthians 10:4. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the fules of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places...Ephesians 6:12. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek... Romans 1:16. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord... Amos 8:11. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the uncleans thing; and I will receive you... 2 Corinthians 6:18. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye appear with him in glory... Colossians 3:2-4. Christ, and him crucified... that's all we NEED to know.
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All that to say this: Christians, we are not of this kingdom. Those that don't have the Spirit of God active in their lives could never understand why we subject ourselves to the Bible. We need not focus on social issues more then on preaching the gospel. There is no way to show somoeone sin without the Law of Moses. But the Spirit of God has gotta be working to bring them to repentance. Spread the gospel and stand on the Word. Allow it to be your banner and let the Lord go before you in speech and action. The battle is not your's... it's the Lord's. AND IT IS NOT OF THIS WORLD!! The world is waxing worse and worse... the end will come. And when it does... we all will bow. They aren't gonna have a choice. Preach the word... IN AND OUT OF SEASON!!
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Then Pilate entered the Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?" Jesus answered him, "Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?" Pilate answered, "Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?" Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here." Pilate therefore said to Him, "Are You a king then?" Jesus answered, "You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."
John 18:33-37
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Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy[fn4] Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ
1 Corinthians 2:12-16
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"16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."
2 Timothy 3:16
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"And the servant of the Lord must not strive (argue; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will."
2 Timothy 2:24-26
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David didn't share it with his relationship w/ Bathsheeba either. He was praising God through His personal fear and reverence for Him. His very words, through inspiration of the Holy Spirit, spoke of the coming messiah and God's justice and judgment. David praise Him in Spirit and Truth; not by a song elluding to Him.
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2 Thessalonians 3:6-15, Galatians 6:1-10, Luke 4:18,19
Galatians says to let the spiritual correct a "man" when he is caught in a fault. Regardless if he is in the faith or not. 2 Thessalonians says to not keep company with a "brother" that walks "disorderly, not working at all, but are busybodies". But we should "admonish" them: indicate duties or obligations to, express warning or disapproval to especially in a gentle, earnest, or solicitous manner, and give friendly earnest advice or encouragement to. Jesus said that he was anointed to "preach the gospel to the poor" in Luke 4. Let the spirit of God lead you where you should go in this direction. God bless.
AMEN!! The Word says God loved the world... it says that we love Him because He loved u FIRST. Those who have chosen to live a lifestyle of homosexuality have been given over to their first love: their flesh/their will. Jesus said they would hate us because they hated Him. He brought conviction and judgment on the ppl (the Word is the discerner of truth and intents). Jesus challenged the ppl's true love and they became defensive or receptive. who knows? maybe through their hatred, and our obedience (in standing by the Word of God) we could bring them to the truth and they could be saved from themselves. But that is through the Spirit of God and using the Sword. Some are fulfilling their purpose because they refused to accept His.
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"And the Lord appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice. If I shut up heaven that there BE NO RAIN, or or if I command the locuss to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people: If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and forgive their sin, and will heal their land". - 2 Chronicles 7:12-14. We that are called by the name of the Living God should take it upon ourselves and intercede on the behalf of the people of this nation. While their is a physical drought in Georgia, there is a spiritual one in the whole nation. We are in desperate need of humility, prayer, seeking God, and repentance. This is the judgment of God on the earth--- it's preparing itself for the return of the Lord (signs in the earth). Spiritually we have become barren and dry. My brothers and sisters, if the drought is a punishment for our sinful ways, take heed and seek restoration. But if it is the judgment of God on the earth, do not be trouble because these things must come to pass. Your redemption draws nigh. GOd bless.
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