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Anti-Darwin 'Expelled' Film, Atheist Saboteurs Clash Ahead of Release
Wiggy »Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:16 am
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Disagree: 3
Jar1961,
"some primordial lake of ooze had the ability to concurrently create man and woman at precisely the same time in earth history"
Not even close. I know it's a big statement but this has to be the most shockingly stupid misunderstanding of evolution I've ever seen...by a mile. You're a fool. Read a book or something would you? You have to understand something before you can criticize it. -
Evolution does not lead to HItler any more than gravity does. Anybody who thinks that evolution mandates extermination of another competing species is ignorant of the science and simply highlights the need for better education. Even if the knowledge of evolution did have a negative effect on society it wouldn't change the fact that it's true. Even if 99.99% of the lay population believe the world was created in six days it would just mean that 99.99% of the lay population was wrong. What people believe means nothing. "Eighty-five percent of people believe in a form of a deity?" Eighty-five percent of children believe in Santa. So what?
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Electing Anti-Evolution President Will Lead Nation to Ruin, Says Scientist
Wiggy »Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:50 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0
Look, the "micro/macro" evolution thing is a non-topic. It's an illusion. If you accept "micro" evolution, you can't deny "macro" evolution. A macro thing is only lots and lost of micro things put together. If you only move an inch at a time, eventually you'll travel any distance. Who can argue with that? Either evolution happens, or it doesn't. If you are going to deny evolution, don't waste everybody's time with this half way, silly compromise. It just weakens your position.
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Electing Anti-Evolution President Will Lead Nation to Ruin, Says Scientist
Wiggy »Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:12 am Agree: 1 Disagree: 1
Creationism is to evolution as astrology is to astronomy and alchemy is to chemistry. It really is that simple.
"Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord?"
Iran is the nation whose God is the Lord. Is that what you want for America? A theocracy? Teaching creation in schools will be a big step in that direction. -
Thank you Chris333. I appreciate your honest and civil answer to my question. In return I'm willing to concede that I am not an atheist according to the first definition you gave in your earlier post. I would hate to submit to a "doctrine" of atheism. Stating absolute certainty in the absence of a god is almost as irrational as stating absolute certainty in the existance of a god.
So what we have is indeed a simple semantic problem. infidel57 and I both prefer to use the second definition you gave for atheism; a simple disbelief in gods rather than a doctrine of believing that there are no gods. I suggest you also start applying the second definition in your debates with atheists because I'm sure you won't find many who categorize themselves under the first definition.
While I guess you could technically say I'm agnostic, I personally don't like the term because it lends a certain plausability to religion that I think is undue. I liked your answer about belief in unicorns and I think it more or less sums up the atheists' position on gods. I guess that while you find the claims for the truth of Christianity convincing, I just don't find them any more impressive than the claims of the other religions I reject. -
schumacr, you say that the Christian religion is different from other, merely "mythical religions" because it is "rooted in space/time history." Would you say that other major religions like Islam and Buddhism are not "rooted in space/time history." In India there are real life messiahs, living incarnations of God, who have millions and millions of devoted followers from around the world, and who perform miracles in front of thousands of eye-witnesses on a regular basis. I would say that these men are more firmly rooted in space/time history than Jesus. Wouldn't you? Or would you say that just someone's existance, the Indian living messiah's existance for example, is not enough to prove their extraordinary claims? Or do you still think that the Christian religion is special somehow?
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Chris333, just a quick question. Would you say that atheism is any different from afairyism, aunicornism, asantaism or abigfootism? If so, why?
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I think attacking contemporary scientists as "materialist" on the basis that early scientists were Christian is pointless. Would anyone disagree that there are still a lot of high profile scientists who are also Christian? How many of them reject evolution? Good science remains untouched by religion and cannot comment on the supernatural.
Chriss333 says "I might add that atheism is the most irrational faith of all because it asserts a negative." Atheism doesn't assert a negative. Theism asserts a positive and atheism doesn't accept it. Let's substitute some other words in the same sentence to illustrate the point.
1. I might add that moon landing hoax denial is the most irrational faith of all because it asserts a negative.
2. I might add that non-astrology is the most irrational faith of all because it asserts a negative.
3. I might add that skepticism is the most irrational faith of all because it asserts a negative
Atheism is not asserting anything and is not in any way irrational. If pre-Darwin scientists were shown his ideas and the scientific evidence I have no doubt they would have also accepted evolution. Whether they would have remained Christian is beside the point. -
Believing in God is not entirely irrational. It's exactly as rational as believing in Thor, Odin, Alah, Zeus, Ra, Horus, Baal, Wotan and Mithras (and many, many others).
The anthropic principal is not considered to be compelling evidence for a god. Check it out for yourself on Wikipedia. Basically, the universe looks like it was made just for us in the same way that a hole looks like it was made for a particularly shaped puddle.
Even if you want to take the anthropic principal as evidence for a god, how do you then choose from the hundreds of gods on the menu? It certainly doesn't validate the Christian god, any more than it validates the Egyptian god, Ra.
Pascal's wager is a dispicable, cowardly bet based not on inner convictions or moral integrity but on saving your own skin. It also works for any religion, not just the christian one. So does that mean we should believe in all religions at once if it would guarantee our safe passage into the after life?
Religious people can be happier sometimes. So can people of all other religions. So can Children who believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy. Hapiness not an argument for the existance of anything whatsoever. -
One of the biggest obstacles facing what’s called the “New Atheism” is the issue of morality.
It's not an obstacle for us at all. It's just one of the many false arguments that the Christianists (how do you like that word :) throw at us to defend their beliefs. We don't get our morality from evolution just as Christianists don't get their morality from the bible. Our genes would tell us not to help strangers, but we do anyway. The bible says to kill people who work on Sunday but that bad verse and many others like it are ignored by Christianists. How do they know which bible verses to ignore? From a moral sense that comes not from the bible but from within them.
Morality comes from living in a society, not from a book or from scientific understanding. And it's evolving! A hundred years ago a moral person could have also been a racist, sexist child beater but not anymore. Our morality has evolved to the point that now we are even questioning the morality of things like eating meat. -
I think the righteous and religious among us should start attacking other sciences that ignore god as well. How about challenging the godless theories outside of biology. It's time to widen the front. Granted, the whole of modern biology depends on the theory of evolution, which says that all life forms evolved from a single common ancestor billions of years ago, without god's help. But what do other branches of science say about god?
What about cosmology? The science of cosmology says that the whole universe began 13.5 billion years ago in the Big Bang, that the stars, galaxies and planets formed through natural processes, that every element in everything we are made of was formed in stars, without any help at all from god. This is an outrage. It's time to put god back in the equations.
Don't you think it's about time to scale up the attack on Science? Rally the troops, it's time to go after that godless science of cosmology. For too long professors have brainwashed our kids with this atheism-based belief system. It should be easy to discredit! After all, did you know that there is much less evidence for the Big Bang theory than there is for the theory of evolution? -
So Michael now admits that evolution happened, only it was guided by god. How many ID supporters are aware that their champion accepts life did, in fact, evolve from a common ancestor? Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the majority of IDists think the theory opposes evolution totally. You know, "no such thing as macro-evolution" nonsense.
"He even goes much further than many of us, including myself, by declaring his belief in a common ancestor."
Mr. Behe's new position is no more scientific than his last position. Chuck, do you think that just because he conceded his position opposing evolution his ideas are now somehow more credible to us rationalists? Do you at the same time have the nerve that you yourself do not agree with him? Are you supporting him or not? Which is it?
Mr. Behe's book was destroyed by critics, not just Dawkins but also many others. The man's original theory was blown out of the water during the Dover trial and now he is simply grasping at straws. -
Banning religion is a really bad idea. One thing we have learned from history is that religious movements usually just become more determined in the face of oppression. If China wants to curb the influence of the various religions taking hold in their country they had better find another way.
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Irrationality is talking or acting without regard of rationality. Usually pejorative, the term is used to describe thinking and actions which are, or appear to be, less useful or logical than the rational alternatives. There is a clear tendency to view our own thoughts, words, and actions as rational and to see those who disagree as irrational.
Types of behavior which are often described as irrational include:
fads and fashions
crowd behavior
offense or anger at a situation that has not yet occurred
unrealistic expectations
falling victim to confidence tricks
belief in the supernatural without evidence *
stock-market bubbles
irrationality in the form of a mental illness, such as obsessive-compulsive disorder, major depressive disorder, and paranoia. -
'Expelled' Producers Deny Deceiving Scientists to Appear in Film
Wiggy »Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:10 am Agree: 12 Disagree: 7
I think this fiasco is just indicative of the dishonesty present in all creationist/ID arguments. There could NEVER be a world wide conspiracy among scientists. The reason is that the best way to get famous as a scientist prove somebody els's idea wrong. Anyone who could disprove evolution would become as famous and celebrated as Einstein! Scientists love proving each other wrong.
Look at the big picture. Is the premise of this movie really plausible? Are the prorducers really being honest? The movie says that the great scientist and Christian Francis Miller only pretends to believe in evolution because he is afraid of what other scientists will do if he admits his disbelief. Mr. Collins HIMSELF has responded that it is totally untrue and a ridiculous thing to say. Did they interview him for this movie? Of course not. Dishonest, one-sided, and sensationalist.
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