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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)
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Psalm 2:1 - "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?"
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Flagged as inappropriate. show Deuteronomy 32:35a - "To me belongeth vengeance, and recompense;" hide
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Flagged as inappropriate. show Dear Gibbons Family, Thanks for your response. One thing that I really enjoy about my occasional visit to the CP forum (I used to be very regular) is that the warmth of the fellowship of the true believers(you know who you are; we all seem to know who each other are!) is often very heartwarming and encouraging. Against this shifting backdrop of utter rebellion and darkness, the way we treat one another by God's grace is amplified. As the story goes, when darkness creeps in the stars become seemingly brighter. As well, testimony and fellowship intact, our fellowshipping puts to silence that inane argument posited by the occasional Romanist about there being no unity the (in their words) "protestant church" (of course, that whole '33,000' denominations thing is utterly false). Many of us here don't even know of each other's denomination; neither do we really care. The fact is, we are all one body. Period. There are, of course, intramural issues that some of us may not see eye-to-eye on, but as for the core doctrines of the faith (I needn't list them here) I'm sure we are all in humble agreement. Praise be to our God! As far as seeing people banned, etc... I ought not give an opinion on the matter really, as I am not here very often. Personally though, I don't see a problem with walking away. There are plenty of other opportunities to contend for the faith once delivered to the saints, as God so desires to present them to us. It's a hard choice to make though, because some of the articles here can be very interesting, and worthy of our comments. It IS hard to converse 'around' the heretics, wolves and 'brute beasts' though. Whatever the case, as in all things, God is in control, and all we need is a meek "Thy will, not mine, be done O Lord!" Amen? I John 1:7 - "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." God bless you friend, Aaron hide
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Flagged as inappropriate. show Hi Believer! I hope this is useful to you; I thought of it after reading your post: One thing about 'naked' in the Old Testament, is that it never actually means totally nude. For one to be in his undergarments was to be consider naked. Secondly, anyone who says that the kiss exchanged between men of ancient Palestine had homosexual inferences is either ignorant (please enjoy my euphamism), or they are being dishonest with what they may already know. ...Just a few thoughts to mull over for those who blatently attack the authority of Scripture. God bless you brother. hide
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Flagged as inappropriate. show Jehovahnissi: Praise be to God for your gift of encouragement! hide
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Flagged as inappropriate. show Dear brothers and sisters in Christ, and in particular the author of this post: "Brothers and Sisters in the Faith, are we grieving the Holy Spirit by continuing to share with men and women who hate and despise God?" There comes a time when the apostle Paul's advice to Titus, his own son after the common faith, becomes extremely relevant in places such as the CP forum: Titus 3:9-11 - "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself." I praise our sovereign God for these wonderful verses! For the glory they give to Him, and for the subsequent peace they affect in us, I am humbled and grateful. In Christ, Aaron hide
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Jehovahnissi - got it! Flagged it! Deleted my own...
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Jehovahnissi,
Glad you were blessed by the video!
I Timothy 1:17 - "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen."
Here's a fitting hymn:
http://www.youtube.com/watchv=Tkx8WAycYAc&feature=related
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I know that this may not seem immediately relevant, but watch it through to the end and you'll see why I thought to include it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTc_FoELt8s
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Lord forbid me from ever thinking that I'm strong. So strong that I can handle the idols of the world without being affected. Without being tainted. Lord help me to realize that I am weak, and am easily led to sin. Too weak for TV; too weak for alcohol; too week for the world's idols of entertainment; too week for indulgences...
Lord let me not be tempted to partake in the things of the world, that my heart would be continuously softened. Lord you are my strength, my shield, and may your strength be made perfect in my weakness. Father let my strength be your strength, and humble me that I may claim nothing for myself. I know that I've never truly, absolutely and whole-heartedly surrendered all to you, but Father, change my heart that it may be so. Lord, please give me repentance. Please change my mind about you, that I may more fully understand your holiness, and that as I am yours, I would do nothing against your holiness through my own thoughts and actions.
1 Cor. 12:9 - "And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."
Heb. 12:28-29 - "Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming fire."
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Praise God, I've long since repented of that, Star.
In Christ,
Bro. Aaron
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One more thing DP,
"Given the choice between protecting my "testimony" here or before the throne of God...I choose to sacrifice here."
Your testimony is not something you can sacrifice! It is a gift from God. It is your story of His grace to you.
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DP,
Brother, I'm not attacking you at all. And I completely agree with all you've just written. I was simply trying to point out that those verses have given me a strong admonition in regards to how I deal with some of the things that are said and done in here for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. I certainly understand that Jesus was no "lily pickin' hippy." I too have a relationship with our living Savior.
So my friend, I hope not to offend. God bless you.
Bro. Aaron
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Daniel Paul,
Brother, I understand what you are saying. But I do urge you to meditate on the verses that I quoted from Titus, Matthew and Psalms. I have been given so much peace because of them. My testimony has taken a beating on several forums. I believe that God has been teaching and chastising me because of not heeding the whole counsel of His Word for His glory.
There will always be opportunity to "save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh." (Jud. 23)
I challenge some of you to put to silence their barking with silence and prayer.
Brethren,
Why do you continue with these same arguments and with the same people, over and over and over?
I know there is definitely a Biblical precedent for contending for the faith once delivered to the saints (Jud. 3), but there is definitely a line that the Bible has drawn for us.
Titus 3:6-11 - "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."
The foolish questions (and statements), contentions, and STRIVING ABOUT THE LAW are almost uncountable here. Almost every one of the people here defending homosexuality is a heretic; that is, they are not ignorant of the Word of God, and are guilty of perverting it. I myself have given countless admonitions, as have you all. These people are subverted and are condemned of themselves. Thus saith the Lord!
And of course, what about the words of our Savior?:
Matthew 7:6 - "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
Finally, we should remember the first Psalm:
"Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
The ungodly [are] not so: but [are] like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish."
Brethren, don't go on arguing. Sometimes the meek and the merciful have to appear to loose a few arguments for the sake of grace, and to keep from sinning. All glory and honor to the Lord Almighty!
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Brethren,
Why do you continue with these same arguments and with the same people, over and over and over?
I know there is definitely a Biblical precedent for contending for the faith once delivered to the saints (Jud. 3), but there is definitely a line that the Bible has drawn for us.
Titus 3:6-11 - "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."
The foolish questions (and statements), contentions, and STRIVING ABOUT THE LAW are almost uncountable here. Almost every one of the people here defending homosexuality is a heretic; that is, they are not ignorant of the Word of God, and are guilty of perverting it. I myself have given countless admonitions, as have you all. These people are subverted and are condemned of themselves. Thus saith the Lord!
And of course, what about the words of our Savior?:
Matthew 7:6 - "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
Finally, we should remember the first Psalm:
"Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
The ungodly [are] not so: but [are] like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish."
Brethren, don't go on arguing. Sometimes the meek and the merciful have to appear to loose a few arguments for the sake of grace, and to keep from sinning. All glory and honor to the Lord Almighty!
...Still no answers to my propositional statements and my questions... perhaps some of you people have JOBS!
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I was laid off a few months ago... Some days I have a wee bit more time on my hands than others.
Chicago, I'm still waiting for a respons to my previous (and somewhat lengthy!) responses to your comments about David and Jonathan.
"It continues to baffle me why so many fundamentalist Christians seem to find pleasure in condemning gay people when the scriptures do not support it. "
I feel the same way. The Scripures definitely do not support condemning people. Turning away from them, yes; rebuking them, yes; exhorting them, yes; judging their actions, yes; condemning them: NO.
I am what you would judge to be a "fundamentalist Christian." I find no pleasure in condemning anyone. Of course I am guilty of this sin, but by God's grace I am forgiven and am, from faith to faith and glory to glory, sanctified to Christlikeness, as are we all. I hope to love homosexuals (and all shades of sinners, as I once was every shade of sin!) in a godly way, but I agree with the Bible and hate the sin of homosexuality. If you are involved in the homosexual lifestyle, I would embrace you, but I would also tell you that you stand condemned by the righteous judgment of a holy God, and that that sin (and all sin) stands between you and an eternity with Him.
Apparently, you are an educated "Christian," espousing false doctrine, and deserve to be confronted, rebuked and chastened (in a Christ-like way). Two warnings is all Titus was instructed to give you. Many of us here have given you many more than this. Perhaps it is us who need to obey Scriptures and "after the first and second admonition reject.." the heretick? (Titus 3:10)
I pray for God to bless you in a very special way, and for you to come back (come into?) to the fellowship of the saints. All of your education just proves that degrees do not take a man out of darkness.
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