Not Optional: Human Rights

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Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:45 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

Flagged as inappropriate. show “Human rights are not conferred by government; they cannot be denied by government. " And prohibiting gay marriage fits into this how? Oh, that's right, you don't consider them "human". Hypocrite. hide

Social Issues Still Count!

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Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Flagged as inappropriate. show Like it or not, marriage IS a civil rights issue. You can deny the truth all you want, but that won't change the fact that it's only your ignorant prejudices on an issue that really doesn't have any impact on you. If you're so gung-ho on "protecting" marriage, you should start with banning divorce. But then again, according to a recent poll (Pew or Zogby, not sure which), the divorce rate for evangelicals is a couple percentage points HIGHER that for atheists. WOW, such reverence for marriage. hide

You’re Teaching My Kid What?

aveteran »

Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:25 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

Cripes - just keep your kids ignorant and at home in a cardboard box and that nasty old world won't touch them. I will never take advice from any hypocrite ex-felon.

Judge Strikes Down Christian License Plate

aveteran »

Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:17 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 4

What "core values"? Racism, religious discrimination, gender discrimination?

The legislators made clear their intent that ONLY Christians were going to be privileged to have such a plate. The judge rightly called them on their illegal discrimination and kicked them to the curb.

Christians Urged to Boycott Gap Inc. Over 'Christmas' Censor

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Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:04 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 3

Flagged as inappropriate. show Other than being for forced gestation, exactly how is AFA "pro-family"? I will gladly support any business which acknowledges that people who are NOT Christians are also their customers. Anyone demanding that I pay homage to Jeebus won't get a penny of my purchases. hide

Ted Haggard to Host Prayer Gathering

aveteran »

Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:23 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

Wow - gives a whole new creepy meaning to the phrase "every knee shall bow".....

Senate Passes Hate Crimes Bill; Obama Expected to Sign

aveteran »

Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Well, for once we agree. I'm not going to say there won't be some goofus who will try to apply the law improperly, but that's why we have multiple court levels and judicial review.

When religion was first covered under hate crimes legislation, was anybody jailed for saying mean things about religion? And on the remote chance it happened, did such a verdict survive appeal? That should illustrate the silly position of the current legislation's opponents.

Senate Passes Hate Crimes Bill; Obama Expected to Sign

aveteran »

Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:52 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

Believer, this is NOT Canada, this is the U.S. Under U.S. law, no one can be imprisoned for speaking against homosexuality unless they advocate or commit violence in conjunction. Spewing hate is one thing, contemptible as it may be, but it's not a crime. Only if it's coupled with advocating or committing violence does it become a crime. Do you fear not being able to advocate or promote violence?

Conservatives Vow to Keep Close Watch on Hate Crimes Law

aveteran »

Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:03 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

DP: The "civil rights" illustrated in the Bible are sorely wanting. Condoning slavery, buying off a rape victim's father for a few shekels, stoning of heretics, adulterers, and sassy children, not to mention wholesale genocide of neighboring nations - such respect for the rights of individuals.

Conservatives Vow to Keep Close Watch on Hate Crimes Law

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Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:54 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

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Citing WingNutDaily as a news source makes as much sense as consulting the Bible for civil rights advice. Unless you're planning to commit or incite violence against a person or class of people protected by the legislation, you have nothing to worry about. But then again, I believe many of you probably do have reason to worry, based on the hateful rhetoric I have seen in these forums. Most annoyances such as the Philadelphia nitwits can be easily dealt with by charges of harrassment and disturbing the peace. Until they start assaulting people who ignore them, that is.

Conservatives Vow to Keep Close Watch on Hate Crimes Law

aveteran »

Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:25 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

Flagged as inappropriate. show Citing WingNutDaily as a news source makes as much sense as consulting the Bible for civil rights advice. Unless you're planning to commit or incite violence against a person or class of people protected by the legislation, you have nothing to worry about. But then again, I believe many of you probably do have reason to worry, based on the hateful rhetoric I have seen in these forums. Most annoyances such as the Philadelphia nitwits can be easily dealt with by charges of harrassment and disturbing the peace. Until they start assaulting people who ignore them, that is. hide

Atheists Promote 'Good Without God' Message in Big Apple

aveteran »

Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:35 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 4

Daniel Paul » Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:42 pm
"because they are intended to cause harm to other people. "

I was unaware that telling people they don't have to live with guilt hidden away from view was harmful. I was unaware that telling people how to be free from the law of sin and death was harmful.

You sure got a strange definition of harm! You call harm what you don't like. "How DARE anyone tell me I'm wrong and in danger of hell!!!"

If you don't like what we post...go somewhere else. There are many places on line that will agree with what you think. This isn't one of them....
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It's only "guilt", "sin", or "death" in your own sick, bigoted, annoying minds. Worry about your own life and mind your own business.

Atheists Promote 'Good Without God' Message in Big Apple

aveteran »

Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:31 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 3

Daniel Paul » Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:23 pm
"Do what you will, but understand that you do NOT have the right or privilege to demand or compel us to live by your standards."

Likewise, I'm sure....
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And no one is asking you to marry gays or have abortions, but you would deny those rights based on your mythology.

Atheists Promote 'Good Without God' Message in Big Apple

aveteran »

Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:28 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 3

Daniel Paul » Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:39 pm
"The threats you make are false."

Many people die each year having believed the same thing. Remember, I was raised in the top of tornado alley....

Besides, if they are false why do you even care? Why do you even post? You are just wasting your time if they are false....
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While the threats of your fictional deity are false, the threats of its followers are very real and dangerous. I have seen no news reports of any "god" threatening atheists, but have seen numerous reports of Christians threatening and committing acts of violence against atheists. Time for you to get a new argument.

Atheists Promote 'Good Without God' Message in Big Apple

aveteran »

Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:21 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 3

Daniel Paul » Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:30 pm
"If there are good *rational* reasons for a rule, independent of religious belief, then that is rule worth considering in a secular society."

That's fine. Your small segment of the American society is welcome to run itself that way. As for the majority of Americans who are NOT secular...we will do things according to what we believe.
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Do what you will, but understand that you do NOT have the right or privilege to demand or compel us to live by your standards.

Atheists Promote 'Good Without God' Message in Big Apple

aveteran »

Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:12 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 2

Daniel Paul » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:53 am
"there will be something to argue against. Fox's lack of credibility is obvious to anyone with more than two working brain cells. "

I guess CNN doesn't have two working brain cells then because they have come out defending Fox!!!
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Perhaps; they did, after all, employ that little brownshirt Glenn Beck before Fox lured him away to join their axis of evil.

Atheists Promote 'Good Without God' Message in Big Apple

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Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:05 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

Daniel Paul » Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:52 am

"And laws must have a secular purpose."

I never said they didn't. What I did say was that laws are to serve the entire population. Others have suggested that only the secular portion of society matters and/or should be considered. I want all segments of society involved in the process.
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That's right. The ENTIRE population, not just the Christians. Laws instituting Christian prohibitions which have no secular basis do NOT serve the entire population, but are an unconstitutional establishment of religion.

Christian Legal Group Hits $100 Million Mark in Pro Bono Work

aveteran »

Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:49 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

As I said, I'll just re-post.

RecLutheran: Your Christian brethren supported that Austrian corporal. 100 million dollars in litigation to dismantle the Constitution and crush religious freedom for non-Christians. Amazing. And you still want to cry "persecution!"? Oh, the poor, persecuted family that can afford to donate 9 million dollars! If the government can disrupt terror cell finances, why can't they stop the financing for this anti-American organization?

Atheists Promote 'Good Without God' Message in Big Apple

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Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:41 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

Daniel Paul » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:47 pm
Simply put, secular standards do not rule in this country anymore than Christian standards do. It is the standards of the majority that rules. That is what democracy is, isn't it?
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By your reasoning we would still have slavery.

Rights are NOT subject to the whims of the majority. And laws must have a secular purpose. Laws with a solely religious basis do not pass Constitutional muster.

Atheists Promote 'Good Without God' Message in Big Apple

aveteran »

Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:34 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

Daniel Paul » Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:29 pm Now...everyone keep in mind that Alockslee is taking a page from the Obama play book. They can't argue the facts that Fox News is putting out so they attack credibility.
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When Fox actually starts putting out FACTS, there will be something to argue against. Fox's lack of credibility is obvious to anyone with more than two working brain cells.