Christian Clergy Rally on Opposite Sides of Gay Marriage Debate

bigtex »

Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:23 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

All of these arguments are foolish. Why? Because, "The natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Cor. 2:14

Then to follow up this thought the Apostle Paul says, "If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant." - 1 Cor. 14:37-38

My dear brothers in Christ, as God gave them over to a debased mind,(Romans 1) we too must shake the dust from our feet and share the Gospel with those whom God has waiting to hear the Good News. Those who cannot see will fall under the hand of God.

Thousands of NY Christians Protest Gay Marriage

bigtex »

Sun May 24, 2009 6:25 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

Praise the Lord!!

Thousands of NY Christians Protest Gay Marriage

bigtex »

Sun May 24, 2009 6:25 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

Perhaps the sleeping giant called the Church is beginning to wake up and call a morally bankrupt culture to accountability. Perhaps the gay agenda has pushed too hard too long and the Christian church has reached its end of tolerance. Perhaps America will see a revival and we can turn this nation back to the Bible. Give God all the praise.

Same-Sex Marriage: Are the People Sovereign, or is it to be the Courts?

bigtex »

Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Mike, we are not born without sin. The Bible teaches us that we are conceived in sin. Romans 3:23 says "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans chapter 5 teaches us that our sin nature is a result of Adam's sin and has been passed down from generation to generation.

It is a misnomer to assume that we are without sin. We are sinners by nature and by choice. Sin comes naturally to us and we also choose to sin.

Same-Sex Marriage: Are the People Sovereign, or is it to be the Courts?

bigtex »

Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:00 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

Mike, I agree with Believer's last post. God made me attracted to women. Yet God says that for me to lust after her is a sin. Sexual lust for anyone weather male or female is sin. Have I sinned in this way? YES. One could justify lust by claiming "God made me that way" but that does not satisfy God's righteousness.

Again the act of sexual immorality is sin whether hetero or homosexual. Your "life experiences" are real but that does not make them acceptable to our Holy God. My life experience are real too (most of which did not honor God) but that does not validate them before God. My life experience has been filled with SIN therefore I must submit to God's word that says, "Repent, or you will all likewise perish." That word is for me and for you. I am no better or no worse than you and vise-versa.
Christ died for our sin. We must accept his death as our substitute and turn to Him for forgiveness.

Here is what God's word says about sin and sinners, "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

Same-Sex Marriage: Are the People Sovereign, or is it to be the Courts?

bigtex »

Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:56 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

Mike; let me say with all certainty (according to Scripture) GOD DID NOT MAKE YOU GAY!!! If we were to sit down and dig deep into your life, I am sure we can go back to an experience, a person or an event that triggered your attraction to other men. No one, I repeat, no one is "born" gay. That concept is not Biblical. I have studied scripture in depth for more than 20 years and have three degree in Bibical Studies. I have yet to find any evidence God made anyone gay. That argument is invalidated by God's word. So this forces me to conclude there are other forces that caused you to be attracted to other men.

Same-Sex Marriage: Are the People Sovereign, or is it to be the Courts?

bigtex »

Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Mike22685; sorry i just got back online. Let me say first, I respect you as a person. You are a creation of God and He loves. But I can only validate my claim by using Christian Scripture. God's word clearly defines homosexuality as a sin. Again homosexuality is a sexual sin that destroys God's perfect plan. When one reads the Bible one finds that God's perfect plan was from the beginning to create more human being that He might bless. After creating Adam and Eve God told them to multiply. God is building a family of faithful people that will worship and honor Him with their lives.

Now two men or two women cannot fulfill God's plan because they cannot reproduce. God's perfect plan is for men and women to marry. There is never a reference in Scripture where the act of homosexuality is blessed of God. There are several references to God blessing a husband and wife in the sexual experience. The Bible says Abraham went into Sarah and conceived a son. This union is blessed of God. The result of the blessing was Isaac through whom God blessed the world with Jesus.

Same-Sex Marriage: Are the People Sovereign, or is it to be the Courts?

bigtex »

Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

For the record, I am not a homophobe. Though I would classify myself as as "Theophobe." I fear no man, but the "Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."

Same-Sex Marriage: Are the People Sovereign, or is it to be the Courts?

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Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Finally, someone may say "God made me a homosexual so I just can't help it." Therefore they become sexually active with another of the same gender. Another may say, "God made me a heterosexual, I just can't help it." So he has sex with the girl. Both are wrong. Both claimed that God made them that way but truth is God did not give the permission to have sex.
It is unfortunate that humans taken the beauty of the created order and perverted it (wheather homosexual or heterosexual)and made it into an animalistic behavior.

Same-Sex Marriage: Are the People Sovereign, or is it to be the Courts?

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Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Daverley, Can I be completely honest here with you. I never had to "make a decision" on who I was attracted to. It was the natural beauty of a woman (1st grader when I was in the 1st grade) that cause me to be attracted to a female. The thought of being attracted to another guy never crossed my mind. Back in my day the concept of homosexuality was anathema. The first time I had heard of homosexuality I was in the fifth grade and it was rumored that Jim Neighbors and Rock Hudson were "buddies."

It was believed by most people that homosexuality was a "mental disorder. " In fact it was classified as such until the 1970's. I used to go along with this understanding until a few years ago. I no longer believe that homosexuality is a mental disorder.

Same-Sex Marriage: Are the People Sovereign, or is it to be the Courts?

bigtex »

Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:25 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

Last I remember, this is a nation of the people, for the people and by the people. THE PEOPLE have spoken and they said "NO" to gay marriage. Now can't the gay community be respectful of the people's will and just be tolerant. I feel as though the GLBT speak out of both sides of their mouth. They demand tolerance from "straight" people yet themselves are intolerant of
others when they don't get their way.

Most American, most Californians and most people do not approve of GLBT as has been proven time and time again. We will not submit to continued efforts to force the GLBT agenda or lifestyle down our throats. ("It just ain't natural!)

And by the way, please don't compare your sexual deviant behavior to another's race. No, I cannot help the color of my skin. Yes, you can help who you are attracted to. Skin pigmentation is genetic. Like every sin, homosexuality is a choice.

Evangelicals Praise McCain's Performance at Saddleback

bigtex »

Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:52 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

blue1018, what in the world does graduating from Villinova have to do with anything you espouse. It that some sort of way of trying to support a rather weak argument. It doen't work for me.

Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, shot down your invalid argument. McCain had no way hearing or knowing what Obama said. Warren said what NBC reported was impossible. NBC is a part of the biased media coverage on the Obama band wagon. Saint Obama can do no wrong when it comes to those libs.

U.S. Census Bureau Rejects Gay 'Marriage'

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Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Daniel Paul, how true it is that is why I have led out in our community to unite the churches to begin a resource center that helps provide food to the needy. We also help find people jobs, help them learn to budget, assist with meds and many other things.

The church in general has yeilded our responsibility over to the goverment and allowed it to usurp is mission. We need to do better as the church in feeding their stomachs and feeding their souls.

U.S. Census Bureau Rejects Gay 'Marriage'

bigtex »

Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

believer, that is interesting. I wonder if he experienced that same change thru a relationship with Jesus or if Christianity is just another "religion."

U.S. Census Bureau Rejects Gay 'Marriage'

bigtex »

Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

believer, i know you are right but why would one want to be a Christian and be a disciple of Christ and then not want to follow Him. A disciple is to follow Christ even when he leads into unknown territory. It just doesn't make sense to say, "I'm a Christian" and then not believe the Lord's very words.

It is just unfortunate that some Christians are willing to compromise the faith and adopt the pluralistic philosophy of the inclusivism.
Keep up the good work believer.

U.S. Census Bureau Rejects Gay 'Marriage'

bigtex »

Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

hlerwin, I am not attempting to be "sassy" but your comments have a few problems. First you said, "let me say that I plan to live my entire life following, as closely as I can, the instructions laid out for my culture and my family in the Bible." (July 22, 9:33 post).

With this statment I will assume you are a brother in Christ. Now here is the problem. I quoted Romans 13:1-2 which declared that God is the author of civil government and that no government exist without God's authority. Therefore, secular government falls under God's authority, thus marriage falls under God's authority. Note I did not say this, the Bible declares it.
Next you said,in your posting July 22, 11:41 post that it was ok for me to believe this but you could not. Here are your own words,"That's fine with me for you to believe that. But I don't." As a Christian, we do not get to choose what we want to believe in the Bible and what we want to ignore. We must all adjust our belief and concepts to God's word. We must never attempt to conform God's word to our preconceived ideas.

As a Christ follower, Jesus is Lord! His word declares it that is all we need to know. Now let's follow the word of the Lord.
You are right, I do not have authority over you, nor do I want such a right, but as a Christian believer, God's word is our standard by which we judge everything and everyone. God's word, the Bible, must be our authority therefore we must live by it, even when it goes against current cultural beliefs.

U.S. Census Bureau Rejects Gay 'Marriage'

bigtex »

Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:41 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

By the way, I did a little research about when marriage liscense became the norm in America. Though there is no definitive date and time, it is thought that such practices developed around the mid 1800's.

Around the mid 1800's some states required a liscense from the state for inter-racial marriages to be "legal." Until that point all marriages were deemed "legal" without such a document. (George and Martha Washington did not have a marriage liscense authorizing marriage.)
It was understood by society, which had a much more godly influence, that marriage is of God and does not need the "validation" of the state. It was also understood that marriage was and is today an issue of religion, whether a person is religious or not. Even in Civil ceremonies, the name and blessing of Almighty God was invoked.

U.S. Census Bureau Rejects Gay 'Marriage'

bigtex »

Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:35 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

"But I am not naive enough to think that my way is the only way. What hubris! (And what a puny god.)"

hlerwin, your thoughts and theology frightens me when you say that you follow the Bible yet you do not accept the words of our Lord when He declares to be "the way and the truth and the life." Jesus literally claims to be THE ONLY WAY a person can have a relationship with his Creator.

That being said, I can understand why you would feel like you do on this issue. As you read the Bible you will see that it is God (not god) who has even established "secular" government. Romans 13:1 declares "For there is not authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God."

The Bible declares that even secular government falls under the authority of Almighty God in the same manner that marriage falls under His authority. Carried to its full understanding, the Bible declares that sinners and saints alike fall under the authority of God. God is sovereign and we must be careful not to reduce Him to our own level.

U.S. Census Bureau Rejects Gay 'Marriage'

bigtex »

Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

hlerwin, my point exactly. Marriage has its very foundation in religion. I would be interested to know when government, esp. the U.S. gov. or state got involved in issuing marriage license. Why did they get involved in the first place? It appears that gov. took over a responsibility of the church in declaring one married.

One problem I see is the rise of pressure from governments around the world to pressure the church into performing homosexual marriage or be fined or at worst be closed down. If two people of the same sex want to play house please don't force the church to approve or participate. We are witnessing the church being forced to recognize homosexuality and if it doesn't then they are labeled as "homophobes" or "hatemongerers."

We are truly witnessing a moral breakdown of society and history shows acceptance of homosexual behavior is the removal of the final building block of civil society. At this point, I am not willing to risk civil and moral decay and will speak out against every attempt to normalize the homosexual lifestyle.

U.S. Census Bureau Rejects Gay 'Marriage'

bigtex »

Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Just a thought here but maybe the U.S. government does not recognize homosexual marriage because there is no such thing as homosexual marriage. There is of course, homosexual cohabitation that attempts to define itself as marriage and two men or two women pretend to be husband and wife.

It would be great if the government recognized that marriage is of God and that being said is an issue for the church to define. Marriage existed long before organized government. It may well be a church-state issue.