'Expelled' Correct on Darwin, Hitler Link, Says Christian Group

bileven »

Tue May 06, 2008 4:06 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

Umm, Jerry2, good thing you used the term "flat-earther". See, people for a long time thought the world was flat. Being held up by a large man/god or animal. The Bible was the only text prior the the 15th Century that made reference to the world being round. Even to the scoff of "science". That is until Colombus read the bible and inspired to use it's knowledge to prove the conventional wisdom wrong. Sorry, but they can spin any story they want, Science has NEVER disproven a fact in the Bible, but trying to disprove they in fact, prove facts in the bible 100% accurate. Such as the crossing of Pharoah and his death.

You wist to believe your a cosmic accident, fine... Go for it... Live, die, then fertilize, me, I was made for a reason. I have a job to do and a place I belong. I was purposely done and completely chosen.

'Expelled' Correct on Darwin, Hitler Link, Says Christian Group

bileven »

Tue May 06, 2008 3:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Ifeelfine72, your right, most of the comment are directed at you. As for wikipedia, that's an open source project, so aged information is subject to flaw. As for the upbringing, why not open a book. Try German History for one. My grandfather was born and raised in Luxembourg. And he has confirmed what they teach in History class, Hilter wasn't a German, and He was raised by his mother, in Austria, who was Jewish until the day she died.

His religious connection to Catholic started at the time when he was running for political office and used the Catholic Church as a mean to obtain that office.

No offense, but I will take the word of someone who lived there during that time, and people who actually study their own history before I take the word of a foreigner. To Germany culture, we are all foreigners (except those that live it).

Here is something to really put a curl in your eye brow.... The Catholics number one conflict is with the Protestants, NOT the Jews. So if Hilter was a true Catholic as you suggest, why did he attack the Jews and NOT the Protestants? Normally you drive off your enemy, not your ally.

'Expelled' Correct on Darwin, Hitler Link, Says Christian Group

bileven »

Tue May 06, 2008 3:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

<<< Quote>>>>"Regarding slavery, the Bible does not endorce or condon slavery"

Then why did thousands of American slave owners use the Bible to justify slavery? <<<<End Quote>>>

If I drink a fifth of Jack Daniels and kill someone while driving intoxicated does that mean Jack Daniels promotes murder?

The fact that someone who said they believed something justified their position with the Bible does not make it factual. Which just goes to point out the #1 problem with many arguments regarding biblical teachings. People always try and use the "but they" issue. Simple fact made plain and simple, show me ANYWHERE in scripture where is says ANYTHING about being a Master of Slaves as good. I dare you!

No body can, thing is, most people do not even look at the Bible let alone spend any time reading it. Suprised they would be if they even read through Psalms and figured out most of the sayings they have been using for years are right there.

'Expelled' Correct on Darwin, Hitler Link, Says Christian Group

bileven »

Tue May 06, 2008 2:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

One last thing, moral integrity is what is was at the beginning of time to today. Only thing that has changed is our excuses. Lies, cheating, betrayal, murder, envy.... all immoral, all addressed in the 10 Commandments, but the problems, the Jews gave it the word "Law", they were not so much laws but meant to be guidance. If you do those things (in the Commandments) your heart will be more pure, less anguish. The essence of the Bible is not about people, places, time. Never has been, never will be. It's about the HEART! The heart of you, me, God and of God's people. The events are to show us what errors others made and the concequences that result. Jesus came to reach the heart. Not of the Jews, but of ALL! No racism there, doesn't matter what color, creed, your past or your family line. What God has made clean, let NO MAN call unclean.

'Expelled' Correct on Darwin, Hitler Link, Says Christian Group

bileven »

Tue May 06, 2008 2:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Regarding slavery, the Bible does not endorce or condon slavery, in fact, if you read. The teachings of Jesus make it clear that Masters will not have the best of rewards, while those thrust in slavery will have far better. Yet, we have a free will, so we are not "Slaves" to God, but we can make ourselves "slaves" to sin. Maybe you should spend some time in the word before you feel the need to misquote or color outside the lines with your statments and/or arguments.

'Expelled' Correct on Darwin, Hitler Link, Says Christian Group

bileven »

Tue May 06, 2008 2:02 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

First off, let's dispell some misinformation. Adolf Hilter was not raised Catholic, his mother raised him in Austria, in a Jewish household (which is why he knew their weaknesses and strengths). Hilter USED the Christian churches because of the conflict between Jews and Christians over the acceptance of Jesus as the Savior.

The killing in the OT, if you read, was civilizations that commonly took aggresion against the Jews. Only exception is the "re-claiming" of the land after Joseph's family left for Eygpt and eventually where made slaves. Fine examples of how God handles things would be Jericho. Now one sword forged on, God tore down the walls and the people scattered. But the price of killing has a price. David was not allowed to build the temple because there was blood on his hands, yet He was loved by God. This in no way compares to HIlters leading lambs in chains to a slaughter. The horrors and torments the Jews were put through can NEVER be found in the Bible. Hilter's "Superior Race" was the hallmark of his existance, it is was drove the Germans across Europe and south into Africa. If you read the biographies on Hilter, written from first hand accounts, you would find this information and cross reference to verify it all.

As for the mention of "Catholic" doctrine, I have only this to mention. Anyone that tries to argue Christian fundamentals using "man designed" Catholic doctrine is going to be fighting a very difficult fight. Basically, Catholics doctrine does not mean it is Christian, an example is the use of "Saints". Where as Paul refers to the followers as Saints, there is no basis for establishing the title of Saints based on works. Another example, it is a basic fundamental belief that only God can forgive one's sins, yet Catholics feel the need to give priest the power to teach people if they do certain prayers a certain number of times, that they (the preist) can grant forgivness...

Just a side note, Charles Darwin's writings were so influencial that Marx asked him to pen a piece for his own book, the Communist Manifesto.

Sillist thing of all, about Darwinism, that the theory evolves faster than his so-called subjects.

One thought I always try to keep (from a historical quote) "If you truely believe there is no God and the world is like this, imagine how much worse it would be if there really wasn't God"