Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

While lazy worthless creationist crybabies spread lies about science, scientists are working hard to make discoveries to explain the history of life. Remember the Tiktaalik fossils? Neil Shubin and his team predicted their location in the arctic on a Canadian island and after 4 summers of searching they found exactly what they were looking for, fossils of animals that were transitional between fish and land animals. How did the lazy know-nothing creationists react to these important discoveries? They spread lies about the fossils. That's all the lazy creationists know how to do, constantly lie about everything.

Shubin wrote a book that creationists will never read because they're willfully ignorant, and because they are terrified of science.

Your Inner Fish: A Journey into the 3.5-Billion-Year History of the Human Body by Neil Shubin

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"I think evolutionists are scared to death of anything challenging their theory."

Baloney.

The problem is creationists what to force science teachers to teach magic.

Grow up.

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Check out these creationists:

http://www.kkk.com/

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Slacker: "don't you think that God could get the animals there."

You realize of course the Noah story is a fairy tale, don't you, Slacker? The person who made it up never for a second thought anyone could believe it. It's called fiction, Slacker. Even today people write novels, which are made up stories. You understand that, don't you? You couldn't possibly believe in a magic man who drowns babies for the fun of it. Nobody is crazy enough to believe that, right?

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Mike Gravel, former Alaska senator, candidate for USA president, was asked if he thought creationism should be taught in public schools.

Mike Gravel: "Oh God, no. Oh, Jesus. We thought we had made a big advance with the Scopes monkey trial....My God, evolution is a fact, and if these people are disturbed by being the descendants of monkeys and fishes, they've got a mental problem. We can't afford the psychiatric bill for them. That ends the story as far as I'm concerned."

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:52 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

JoshGilman: "matucon312, Instead of insultng me and labeling me as creationist..."

Hello, I'm bobx2x2 from Florida.

JoshGilman, are you a creationist or an intelligent design creationist or are you pro-science?

Do you completely accept evolution?

Do you agree it's a proven fact that humans developed from ancient apes?

Do you invoke magic (god, designer, creator, intelligent design, etc.) for anything? If yes, what do you invoke magic for?

I ask because some questions you asked earlier sure makes you look like an anti-science believer in intelligent design magic.

So why not tell us what you are, so nobody has to guess.

Oh, and please don't make the claim that invoking intelligent design is any different from invoking magic. Believe what you want, but I have zero respect for dishonesty.

To be fair I will tell you what I am. I don't believe in any designers or gods or supernatural magicians. I am convinced science can solve virtually any problem. An unanswerable question, like what was there before the Big Bang, does not mean the answer is magic. It only means the natural explanation is unknown.

The diversity of life, the origin of life, the evolution of DNA, the origins of stars and planets, are all the result of natural processes. Scientists still don't have all the answers, but for every unsolved problem, there is a scientist who hasn't been born yet who will solve it some day. The Magic Man, or Designer, or whatever anti-science people call god these days, is obsolete. It's time for the world to grow up and stop pretending there's an invisible man hiding in the clouds.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."

-- Charles Darwin

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Non-religious people are religious.

Science is a religion.

Supernatural magic is science.

War is peace.

Black is white.

blackwhite- The ability to accept whatever "truth" the party puts out, no matter how absurd it may be. Orwell described it as "...loyal willingness to say black is white when party discipline demands this. It also means the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know black is white, and forget that one has ever believed the contrary."

http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-dict.html

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:14 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"Wow, Florida is actually considering coming into the 21st century."

We aren't just considering it. We are going to do it this month. Quite an improvement from living in the 17th century.

It's interesting that the same people who attack science education are the people most in need of science education. In Florida, they are finally going to get educated, whether they like it or not.

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Topekan, what part of "DNA analysis doesn't lie" don't you understand, and why do you insult the hard work of tens of thousands of scientists?

Iran Proposes Death Penalty for Apostasy

bobx2x2 »

Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:17 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

"Iran Proposes Death Penalty for Apostasy"

This is another good reason Americans should respect the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment.

Iran needs a civil war to straighten itself out. If this sort of thing happened in America there most definitely would be a civil war, and the war wouldn't end until every single religious extremist was dead.

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:47 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

TWPeck, nobody ever said whales developed from hippos. Hippos and whales share an ancient ancestor. There is no doubt about this because DNA analysis doesn't lie. There is only one way to interpret it. The same method is used for paternity testing in humans. There is only one possible correct answer for paternity testing in humans and there is only one possible correct answer for testing evolutionary relationships because both tests use the EXACT SAME METHOD.

There is no debate about the basic facts of evolution. Biologists know all life evolved and they know all life is related. Evolution is not an opinion. Evolution is not just one way of interpreting evidence. Evolution, including our evolution from ancient apes, is a proven beyond any doubt fact. The creationists are lying when they claim their magical creation idea is equal to the science of evolution. The creationists in Florida would like to try to force science teachers to do their lying for them, but they will never get away with it. The new Florida public school science standards, written by science teachers and scientists, will soon be approved without any changes. It's disgraceful it has taken this long, but despite the Christian war against science, Florida students will finally get a decent 21st century education.

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:32 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Slacker: "We talk only of evolution and call all other view points uneducated, idiotic or creationist."

If you are talking about a public school science classroom, you are wrong. Science teachers teach science. They don't say anything about non-scientific subjects like your intelligent design magic. Magic is not science. Why should a science teacher waste one second of limited classroom time talking about religious myths? Science classes are for science only.

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

"you actually compared Christians to Extremist muslims"

I compared Muslim creationists who destroy people to Christian creationists who destroy minds.

It's a fair comparison. Both the terrorists and most Christians are creationists. Both groups are making the world worse instead of better. The Muslim creationists give the world more violence, and the Christian creationists give the world more ignorance. On 9/11 there was a lot of violence in one day thanks to Muslim creationists. On every single day there is a lot of ignorance thanks to Christian creationists. Which is worse? They are both terrible. We don't need creationist violence and we don't need creationists attacking science education in Florida and other creationist infested states.

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"I say we let people choice instead of forcing evolution down their throat like we do with everything else..."

When the flat-earthers provide some evidence for their intelligent design magic, and when the scientific community is able to repeatedly and successfully test their magic, then it would be OK to make magic part of a biology class curriculum. I strongly doubt there will ever be any evidence for magic, because magic is a childish idea.

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Slacker: "If you don't buy evolution you are uneducated or some other outside fringe."

I agree.

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

crc: "It is Biblically wrong."

It sure is. We agree about that. The obvious solution is throw out your worthless Bible and join the 21st century.

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

matucon312, I pretty much agree with everything you said except this: "No one knows what happens when we die - even the religious."

I know what happens when we die. The same thing that happens to every other dead animal. Bacteria and maggots feast on the internal organs, everything stinks, it's the most horrible smell imaginable, and the dead body eventually decomposes into nothing. Of course you already knew this, so I was surprised you said "No one knows what happens when we die".

The rest of your comments were excellent, especially "Altruistic behavior exists throughout nature".

This is a very interesting subject. Altruism has been observed in our closest non-human cousins, the chimps. I have read stories of dolphins saving the lives of people in the oceans.

Something I found out recently about chimpanzees is very interesting. Their brains have the exact same structure as the human brain. The quality of the human brain and the chimp brain is the same. The only difference is the human brain evolved to be larger.

Another interesting thing I recently learned about chimpanzee apes is they have a much better short-term memory than human apes. I saw a few videos that tested the short-term memory of humans and chimpanzees. The humans struggled with the test. For the chimps it was a simple and easy.

The uneducated Christians who are attacking science education in Florida don't have any idea how interesting science is. They don't know what they're missing.

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:10 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

I just saw the movie "United 93" on HBO. The passengers, the pilots, and the flight attendants were all murdered for God. Murdered by creationists.

I don't see a lot of difference between Muslim creationists who murder innocent people and Christian creationists who destroy the minds of their own children. The creationists who are attacking science education in Florida where I live are not satisfied with wasting the lives of their children. Their goal is to destroy the education of all public school students. They know nothing about science, but their ignorance is not stopping them from attacking the new science standards that were written by experts, the science teachers and scientists of Florida.

All creationists are the same, whether they are Muslim terrorists or Christians. Both want to make the world worse than it already is. They want more violence or they want more ignorance.

Christian creationists who destroy minds are losing and they are losing badly. The new science standards in Florida will be approved without any changes. Florida students will learn about evolution and they will understand evolution is one of the big ideas of science. Christians can attack education all they want, but they will never be allowed to succeed.

Fla. School Board Set to Vote on New Standards for Teaching Evolution

bobx2x2 »

Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:46 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

"Pastor Bubba of the Swamplick Church of Floribama"

Thanks Paul Burnett. What a perfect description of the uneducated flat-earthers who want to throw out science standards written by scientists and science teachers. I live in Florida and I've been watching all these hicks come out of nowhere to complain about science being taught in a science class. Fortunately the people who are afraid of science will be ignored. The new excellent science standards will be approved and Florida students will finally get a decent 21st century education.

Evolution Weekend Highlights Religion, Science Debate

bobx2x2 »

Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:15 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

agentorange, you just made a mistake.