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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)
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I have so much respect for the Christians in North Korea and other areas of the world who suffer so much for their faith. It is a piece of cake for Christians in the west compared to these believers. God bless them and hold them up in your prayers.
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There's a bit more to the gospel then that gig, simply saying you believe Jesus was raised on the third day. Why does someone believe that? They must believe they are a sinner and their sin is what will keep them out of heaven. They must believe that Jesus is their sin bearer and that by accepting His finished work on the cross they are regenerated and born again.
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Citizen, you talking about my "mystical pleading" or God's? If me, I didn't mean it to be "pleading", I was just laying out the program for you and explaining why people don't accept the gospel. And since this thread is about the virgin birth why people don't believe in the miracles of Jesus.
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Citizen, take a gander at that verse, and there are others like it, they say it is impossible to understand or make sense of things like the virgin birth. You do become "invested" in it because you accept by faith what Jesus did for you and God regenerates you. Only then does God begin to lift the veil from your eyes that has blinded you to who He is. God bless.
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Greetings Citizen, been reading your posts and you are exactly where I was many years ago. Our college baseball team played a Christian college team and between games we interacted and I was the instigator of the abuse we offered in response to their sharing the gospel. Why does anyone reject or be obstinate when the gospel is shared with them? The answer is 1 Corinthians 2:14. The things of God are foolishness to those that don't believe. It is impossible to understand the truths of the bible, who Christ is, His miracles, virgin birth, etc. because they must be spiritually discerned. The only way they can be spiritually discerned is through the Holy Spirit, and one must be regenerated and born again in order to have the Holy Spirit.
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Great idea and very well done. They don't need to be overly subtle. As someone gets into their 20's, 30's, etc. the odds go down as to their accepting the gospel and being regenerated.
Excellent article, real food for thought. This forum can be a breath of fresh air for a believer.
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Excuse me, the article was in Israel My Glory magazine."
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Looks like this discussion ended months ago, I was not here then, so thought I would add my 2 cents worth to anyone visiting this thread. Christianity Today ran an article by Dr. Ergun Caner, President of Liberty Theological Seminary and ex-Muslim, on "Is Allah the God of the Bible". The article might be found on his website or Christianity Today's archive or possibl;y a Google search. He emphatically says no and says any Islamic scholar worth his salt would also say no. I believe his brother, Dr. Emir Caner, also ex-Muslim, also has an article on the subject.
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Left off my final sentence. The only ones who can blaspheme the Holy Spirit are the unsaved, the unregenerated.
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Just wanted to say what a pleasure it was to find this forum a few days ago. I have been other places on the net, including you tube, where it seems like a believer is always going upstream in the discussions. I will still go there, there are a few voices in the wilderness there. But it is a pleasure to find a place like this where I feel like I am by and large going downstream with the flow. It's good to read the posts of The Watch, holito 8, et. al. One more thing, there was a discussion here a few ago concerning blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Doesn't blaspheming the Holy Spirit have to do with committing the unpardonable sin? That that is the only way to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. In my circles the only way to committ the unpardonable sin is to deny the Holy Spirit's attempt to convict you that the only way to spend eternity with God is to be regenerated through Jesus Christ.
Dongard, I suspect the ancient myths you refer to are the scriptures that the great majority of the people on this forum revere. Why don't you got to a forum with like minded people who also hate the scriptures, which by the way is amost everywhere on the internet. Then perhaps your hatefulness torwards biblical Christianity will be appreciated.
Peace to you too Theotrek. But I strongly disagree with you, as does Dr. Mohler in his article which started this discussion. You are on an island in this thread and with every commentary, etc. that I've read for the last 30 years. And I've got a solid collection of the best. Merry Christmas to you.
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Greetings ifeelfine72, I have read where you said Jesus was "liberal and progressive". Do you also think He is very God, creator of the universe (John 1:3), the great I AM (John 8:58, etc.), and the judge at the great white throne judgement (Revelation 20:11-15). As judge, the liberal and progressive Jesus, will cast those who have rejected Him, who were never regenerated and born-again, into the lake of fire for eternity.
As far as this thread, I'm not sure, but I lean in the direction of C. I. Scofield and J. Vernon McGee, neither of whom believed in a young earth.
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You're right on about Rick warren jc4me.
truthprevails, I doubt if the Church of Sweden was ever an institution that led the lost to become regenerated and saved.
Theotrek, I do read your posts in this thread, your doubts about the virgin birth permeate your posts here. I have also read your posts elsewhere on this forum, where you say the bible is outmoded concerning science. I have also visited your website and links. As I said in an earlier post, you are at the opposite end of "baptist" theology with Dr. Mohler. Take a gander at what The Watch says in the post before this one, he sums it up very nicely. Denying, I also say doubting, the virgin birth, is a significant erosion of the Christian faith. Whether Paul or Jesus mentioned it is irrevelant, it is clear elsewhere.
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Greetings, the various posters who are saying that scientists, including Einstein, believe in evolution and believe in God. That there is no contradiction between the two, believing in God and evolution. What God are you talking about, there are many "Gods" in this world, most Gods are whatever a person makes God out to be. Are you talking about the God of the bible? Are you talking about Jesus Christ as devine, as God? The bible says He, Jesus Christ, spoke and limitless galaxies leaped into being. I think that would stick in the craw of most of these scientists you are talking about that believe in God. This is not just a "fundamentalist" view as one poster said, this is the biblical view as clear as the nose on your face. The reason why this "gulf" wil lnever be crossed by unbelievers is explained in 1Cor. 2:14. The things of God are foolishness to those that don't believe, they must be spiritually discerned. The only way they are spiritually discerned is if one has been regenerated.
Full Gospel, right on brother!!
Theotek- the virgin birth is a mystery to you and the other doubters that Dr. Mohler talks about. He says it is blasphemy and I, and apparently the people in this forum, agree with Dr. Mohler. You are out of step with Christian orthodoxy. According to one of your posts Christian doctrine is like shifting sand, it changes over time. You can't equate changing beliefs in slavery and infant baptism to the virgin birth. What's next, Christ's divinity? Which by the way is also under attack in many quarters of liberal Christendom.
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