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"Just because people do not agree with you does not mean they are uneducated. It just means they dont agree with you."
No, not in your case. You don't know one thing about science. All you do is repeat the lies of professional liars.
I asked this question earlier but you ignored it. Why don't you study evidence as explained by the scientists who made those discoveries? Why do you choose to get all your information from compulsive liars? Are you afraid of real scientists? -
Ex-Science Director Sues Over 'Neutral' Policy on Intelligent Design
cccccccc »Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:32 pm
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The people responsible for firing Christina Comer are a disgrace to their profession. They are creationists and creationists do not belong on state education agencies. This story is about idiots firing the most intelligent person there.
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"There are still too many ifs and buts for any known dating method to be considered truly accurate."
Why do you get all your information from creationists? Why don't you try studying scientific discoveries as explained by the scientists who made those discoveries? Do you seriously think you're ever going to learn anything from professional liars for Jesus?
You said you're not sure about a 6,000 year old earth, but you deny a 4,600,000,000 year old earth. So how old do you think it is? 10,000 years? 100,000 years? You would still be billions of years wrong. Determining the age of the earth was one of the greatest achievements in human history and you want to deny all of it because it conflicts with an ancient book written by people who thought the earth was flat.
Do I have to say how pathetic you are? -
"There are those in the scientific community who do not believe evolution sufficiently explains the data."
They are called quacks. They are also known as Liars for Jesus. They work for Bible colleges and Christian creationist organizations like the Discovery Institute which has never discovered anything. They are rare in the United States and even more rare in the rest of the world.
The fake biologists who deny the most important concept of biology, biological evolution, have never contributed anything important to biology. Fortunately their numbers are small, much closer to 0% of biologists than 1%. They are ignored and/or laughed at. They are worthless and a disgrace to their profession.
The Discovery Institute has a list of a few hundred of these idiots. Most of them are not biologists and a large number of them are not even real scientists. Instead they are engineers or medical doctors, and virtually all them know nothing about biology.
You could spend years visiting several biology blogs and you would probably never find one creationist. Biologists love evolution. That's probably the most important reason they became biologists. Evolution is what makes biology so interesting. -
wbmoore: "Please describe an example of evolution currently being observed."
Please do your own research instead of wasting other people's time.
Doing the hard work of understanding science on your own can be very rewarding. You could also try to find out how biologists use DNA analysis to determine evolutionary relationships, including the close relationship of human apes and chimpanzee apes. Find out why biologists are 100% certain of these evolutionary relationships as revealed by DNA analysis. Then you will understand why biologists laugh at creationists.
I noticed whenever a creationist asks a question about science, he is never interested in the answer. He's only interested in wasting other people's time.
Too many times I have watched a scientist patiently explaining the massive evidence for evolution to a willfully ignorant creationist, wasting hours of his time. After several hours of explanations, the creationist always says "There is no evidence for evolution", proving beyond any doubt creationists are unable to understand anything.
Why are creationists unable to understand anything, no matter how often it's explained to them? You tell me. What's your problem? -
Prophet, "93% of the National Academy of Sciences are atheists" is correct. These are the top scientists of the world. There can be no better evidence for the idea that atheists, in general, are more intelligent and more educated than Christians. Educated people are usually better citizens, and usually have better moral values.
Why are 93% of the top scientists of the world atheists? The answer is obvious. The more a person knows about science, the less likely he is going to invoke supernatural magic for anything. The less a person knows about science, the more likely he's going to deny proven scientific facts like the age of the earth and how life developed. And it's likely the same person will deny all these scientific facts because he prefers the idiotic childish stories in the ancient Bible. It's also likely that this same hopelessly ignorant person will try to force his ignorance into science education. I can't imagine a worse citizen. -
lina said "Atheists are better citizens. 93% of the National Academy of Sciences are atheists. Many professors, philosophers, and writers are atheists - at the world's leading institutions of higher-learning and think-tanks. The most atheistic country in the world is Sweden - a nation whose committment to social equality and generosity is beyond enviable."
I agree with you, lina. Atheists, in general, tend to be more intelligent and more educated than Christians. There are exceptions. Some atheists are not too bright, and some theists are smarter than I could ever hope to be.
There are Christians who I have no problem with. They strongly support our wall of separation between church and state, and they never let their religious beliefs get in the way of understanding science. They know their religion will go extinct unless it's flexible enough to accommodate modern scientific discoveries. They also know the reputation of all Christians is damaged whenever a Christian tries to force his religious ideas into governments and public schools.
There are extremely moral Christians and there are extremely moral atheists. The big difference is why they are moral. Not all, but many Christians are moral only because they fear punishment in hell, or because they expect reward in a heaven. Moral atheists know there is no life after death, but they live a good life anyway, because they enjoy helping people and for other reasons that have nothing to do with pleasing a mythical God.
Here's a quote from a scientist who was talking about Darwin, and he also explains why atheists have strong moral values, as strong as, or stronger than, any theist.
"If humans accept that they too have evolved, whatever purposes they assign, they do so by their own choice."
"This means humans are free of revealed knowledge from a non-existent creator; they are free to make choices; they are obliged to learn and to think. They are responsible for their actions and values."
"Darwin gave us a freedom most people are not willing to accept. We have to be ethical without fear of divine punishment. We have to live a life of virtue for its own sake because there is no Heaven awaiting us. We have to accept our mortality and justify the satisfaction of living without the existence of an afterlife. No religion has ever given humans such unrestricted freedom, such a responsibility, and such a task. Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection gives humans, with their evolved brains, a capacity for self-examination, for wonder, for deeper meaning, and for the nurturing values that sustain us in our relatively short stay in this unbroken journey of life that now extends over three billion years. And that is why Darwin deserves to be called a Great Emancipator."
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"So to say religious people have contributed nothing is to ignore facts."
Religious scientists today continue to make major contributions to human progress, but they do this despite their religion, not because of it. God doesn't help them, that's for sure.
A large percentage of religious people who are not scientists just get in the way of human progress, especially the protestant extremists who are constantly attacking science education and/or harassing biology teachers. -
"The difference is, you posit there is no god, and I posit there is a god."
No. People who understand and use the scientific method, and that includes both theists and atheists, know that if new evidence requires it, old ideas must be modified or thrown out.
People who have religious boundaries ignore evidence that requires them to change their minds about old ideas (like magical creation). -
lina, some people deserve to be completely ignored. You know who I'm talking about.
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"if you do not believe as I do then you are wrong."
If you ignore mountains of scientific evidence from many branches of science, it's a pretty safe bet to assume you are wrong about everything.
"I am a Christian 7 day creationist. I do not know that I agree with the 6000 years, as the Bible does not say how old the earth is."
Massive scientific evidence shows the earth is about 4,600,000,000 years old. Do you agree with that? Or would you rather hide your head in the sand and ignore what every competent scientist knows.
Also, how planets form is well known. The earth and our sun, and zillions of other stars and planets throughout the universe, formed naturally, not magically, and this natural process continues today. Scientists can see the development of new star systems with their own eyes using the Hubble telescope. Scientists can also see the entire history of life when they compare the DNA of different living species. Your magical creation of solar systems and your magical creation of millions of species belongs in the Dark Ages when people knew nothing about the natural world. -
The protestant extremists who claim evolution is false, mostly because they don't understand it and refuse to study it, have never once given any evidence for their creation myth.
Biological evolution has so much evidence it can be called the strongest fact of science. Even if evolution had no evidence at all, that wouldn't mean magical creation is true. The creationists need to provide evidence FOR their magical creation myth. Evidence AGAINST something is not evidence for something else.
The creationists know there's not a shred of evidence for the magic they believe in, so they spend their time making false claims against evolution. That's not good enough, creationists. You have to provide evidence for your magic. If you can't do that, and you know you can't, then you have no right to tell biology teachers they must teach your childish nonsense. You also have no right to tell biology teachers they can't teach the proven scientific fact of evolution. People who know nothing about science (all creationists) have no right to say anything about science education. -
lina said: And isn't it convenient that the Bible brands the pursuit of knowledge as "temptation."
Perhaps this is why the Christian extremists believe studying and understanding modern scientific discoveries equals going to hell. -
I strongly support everything the Christian extremists say, because they are the best possible advertisement for atheism.
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The creationists who don't have any evidence for their creation myth like to tell pro-science people they're going to hell. They can call it a warning instead of a threat, but it's still disgusting and insulting. What they say can be translated to mean "Agree with me or else my invisible friend will torture you."
I advise creationists to stop doing this because they are only making their terrible reputation even worse. -
I support the public humiliation and firing of biology teachers who deny the most important concept of biology, evolution, for the same reason I would support ridiculing and firing a science teacher who claims the earth is flat. It's not fair to students to have an incompetent teacher, no matter what the subject is.
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The religious biologists who completely accept the proven facts of biological evolution (virtually all of them do accept evolution) have the presupposition that God would want them to use their evolved brains.
"Yours will get you into the grave with a ticket to hell."
The creationists, who don't have any evidence for their creation myth, use threats instead. -
wbmoore:
My actual statement was "Everything must be tested against the Word of God. It must align with what God has already revealed. If it doesn't, then you either do not have accurate data, or your interpretation of the data is wrong."
Now, we KNOW not all 'scientists' are ethical, otherwise there would not no hoaxes in the history of trying to prove evolution (bad data). We also KNOW that sometimes the methods of gathering data for a study are flawed (bad data). We also KNOW that all 'scientists' are not always right, otherwise each and every time someone comes out with a 'study' that supports a position it would immediately be repeatable (bad interpretation).
Therefore, I stand by my original position, if what you think you have found in any scientific endeavor does not align with what the Bible teaches, then either your have bad data or a bad interpretation of the data. But I think I would add you can also have bad pre-suppositions, leading to flawed interpretation of the data.
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HELLO wbmoore. I agree with your translation of the Bible, but not with your belief that it was supernaturally inspired. The Bible was written by ignorant ancient people who knew nothing about science. The idea that they were inspired by God is too crazy to take seriously. If the Bible was inspired by God, then God must not have known anything about science, including the formation of solar systems and the development of life.
All scientific evidence is tested by other scientists, and is not accepted until many scientists are able to repeatedly get the same result. That's called peer review and it's one reason scientists in general are the most honest people in the world. They wouldn't want to try to get away with anything dishonest, and they couldn't do that even if they wanted to. The exceptions are always eventually found out and live in disgrace the rest of their lives.
You talk about bad interpretations of scientific evidence, even though you know nothing about the evidence. Until you do the hard work of studying and understanding scientific discoveries, you are not qualified to say anything about it.
You, wbmoore, have a religious boundary you refuse to cross. By being so inflexible you bring disgrace to your religion. -
It's interesting that the willfully ignorant Christian extremists, who refuse to study and understand scientific evidence that conflicts with the childish creation myth in the Bible, think they are more qualified than scientists and science teachers to decide what's in science curriculums.
I compare the uneducated Christian extremists to people who can't add two numbers together, but think they are more qualified than mathematicians to decide what's in a mathematics curriculum. -
mathetes: "This is quite a change from a few days ago, when it seemed you did not believe religious people could even be 'real' scientists. Do you now accept that people like my PhD biologist colleague are true scientists?"
Virtually all religious biologists completely accept biological evolution.
Your colleague, who rejects evolution, is a quack.
Sorry, but any biologist who rejects the key concept of biology, evolution, is a disgrace to his profession and deserves nothing but ridicule. He should be fired immediately. Perhaps his job is secure because he has tenure and/or works in the Bible belt, but he is totally unqualified to be a biology professor.
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