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Christians Urged Not to Abandon Conscience; Proclaim the Gospel
cindy444 »Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:26 pm
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They "insist it's not a political ploy"?
I don't imagine they're fooling anyone but themselves with that claim. -
I see this as one of the unintended consequences of faith-based programs. Once a religious organization takes tax money from the government, they're now in danger of having to follow all non-discrimination laws. I just don't see how a church could take money from every citizen in the country, then decide they get to discriminate against a certain group of them. Either stand on your own with money from your congregation or take the federal tax dollars and understand they come with strings attached.
As far as tax-exempt status, I'm not sure a loss of it is a loss of religious freedom. Since when did we start associated our religion with tax exemption?
There is a real danger in churches getting into bed with government, in my opinion. And these are some of them. -
>cindy, the reason I say same-sex marriage is not a civil rights issue is because no homosexual is denied any rights guaranteed by the Constitution and in fact they may marry under the same conditions that all citizens marry.
Well, I think the Supreme Court has said it's a basic civil right, so I'll stick with them. I've always found the idea that gays can marry under the same conditions as everyone else a rather silly one. As long as they pretend not to be gay, they can marry. They can't marry under the same conditions as us. I can marry the person I love, my husband. A gay man or woman can't marry the person they love. That's not equal treatment.
>Plus, if stronger domestic partnership laws were in place, they would guarantee same-sex couples the same legal rights and benefits as any married heterosexual couple!
I can appreciate that argument, I suppose. But, I'm also in a church that would marries gay people. I think the government should just call it the same for everyone...either marriage for all or civil unions for all. I'm a firm believer that there is no such thing as separate but equal and creating a different name for a different set of people recreates the long ago rejected separate but equal argument. -
>The same court said that Homosexuality was not in 1971."
How did their opinion read? And, what case was it that they wrote an opinion for? -
believer, why do you say marriage isn't a civil rights issue?
The US Supreme Court declared it so in their Loving vs. Virginia decision, saying,
"Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," -
Boys Wearing Skirts to School? What's Going On?
cindy444 »Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:09 pm Agree: 4 Disagree: 0
I agree, believer.
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D.C. Board Rejects Ballot Initiative on Gay Marriage
cindy444 »Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:57 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 3
>Dr. Charles Socarides
One Dr. had this to say? You'd think if they threatened to kill everyone, someone else might have come forward.
Never heard of this doctor, but his Wikepedia entry is interesting. Married 4 times and has a gay son. Physician, heal thyself. -
That's pretty darn cool.
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D.C. Board Rejects Ballot Initiative on Gay Marriage
cindy444 »Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:41 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 6
>The APA didnt, they were SCARED of the homosexuals who threatened to kill them all, that's why they voted it off the list of mental illnesses, FOR FEAR OF THEIR OWN LIVES.
Really? What's your source on that? -
Flagged as inappropriate. show >This type of Hate Crimes legislations hasn't been in force for 40 years, Hate crimes legislation has been around for 40 years covering religion and race. It's never stopped any racists from saying hateful things or people making comments on other religions. That you would imagine that strong freedom of speech protection is suddenly going to change because hate crime legislation now covers sexual orientation and gender just completely defies logic and 40 years of precedent in your own country. Why do you stick your head in the sand and attempt to ignore what's right in your own back yard? I don't care what has happened in other countries because they don't have the same protections for speech that we do. It's not about having a bleeding heart, but a functioning brain that can recognize when comparisons are valid and when they are not. hide
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>this type of law has effected people in Canada and in the UK before you get on your soap box about equal rights...
Canada and the UK are not the United States. Why would I use countries with different constitutions to make an analysis.
Much better for comparison is how hate crimes legislation has been used within the United States that has been in existence since Martin Luther King was killed. Why not look to my own country to see how my own country deals with this type of legislation? It seems rather silly to ignore 40 years of experience right here at home. Based on that experience, you have no need to worry unless you start actually physically harming a gay person. -
>Pastors Test Expanded Hate Crimes Law
Unless they went out and beat up some gay people while yelling at them about being homosexual deviants, they didn't test anything other than their overgrown sense of paranoia. -
Ted Haggard Draws Over 100 to Prayer Meeting
cindy444 »Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:38 pm Agree: 4 Disagree: 0
Wow. I wouldn't have expected him to get 10 people, let alone 100.
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Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption
cindy444 »Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:04 am Agree: 6 Disagree: 2
Flagged as inappropriate. show >I believe those live and let live days contained the gay community not demanding things of the rest of us. It is the pro-gay camp that broke that balance. Silliness, as usual. Our sides live and let live message to gay people has always been, "Shut up. Don't tell anyone you're gay. Pretend you don't exist because we can't seem to handle that you're here. If you try to even to merely be out with who you are we will try to push you back into the closet, fire you from your job or harass you and certainly make sure you have no rights whatsoever." "Demanding" a right to live a life as anyone else in America is allowed isn't really much of a demand of "the rest of us". That we are too small to be able to do it says a lot more about our own weakness than it does about gay people. That's hardly a live and let live attitude. At least be honest about the messages we send to homosexuals. On this issue, DP, honesty seems to escape you pretty consistently. hide
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Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption
cindy444 »Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:11 pm Agree: 5 Disagree: 3
Churches losing tax-exempt status? Not likely to happen.
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Christians Urged to Boycott Gap Inc. Over 'Christmas' Censor
cindy444 »Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:51 am Agree: 9 Disagree: 1
Does anyone know if the American Family Association called for a boycott of the Gap when they were found to be exploiting kids in their overseas factories? Taking on the abuse of children seems to me like it would be a much more important for Christians than attempting to force secular companies to "acknowledge Christ as the focal point of Christmas". Please explain why it's so important to attempt to force companies into that? Can we really via force bring people to Christ?
I was born in the early 60's and am a letter saver. I have boxes of cards and letters from my grandparents and a few from my great-grandparents, whom I loved very much. Both sets of grandparents/great-grandparents were firm, strong and loving lifetime Christians. I have "Happy Holidays" cards from my grandmother and my great-grandmother from 1961, 1962. That expression was always understood as a way to encompass the entire holiday season from Christmas through New Years Eve. There was never any idea that expressing Happy Holidays was somehow a distancing from Christ. That would never even cross the minds of these God-loving women. I don't know how that got twisted into such an idea in our time, but I find it strange and overly defensive and reactionary. Folks strong in their love and commitment to Christ don't need to bother with such folly. -
Christians Urged to Boycott Gap Inc. Over 'Christmas' Censor
cindy444 »Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:30 pm Agree: 6 Disagree: 3
Much ado about nothing.
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>You may not see it because you are blinded and desensitised to it.
Perhaps it is you who is blinded by your rather irrational fear of homosexuals. Acknowledging their existence just isn't going to turn everyone gay, dear. Homosexuals have existed since the beginning of time and they're born that way as a natural variation of sexuality.
Don't worry -- no one can magically turn you and all of us heterosexuals gay.
I"m astounded sometimes by the fear of the "other" from Christians. -
>"if homosexuality were tolerated then it would become predominant within a few generations."
>I would say this is probably true unfortunately.
Why in the world would this be true? It just doesn't make any logical sense, unless you imagine that the majority are harboring hidden homosexual feelings. I just don't think the majority does. Do you? -
>What people need to understand is that this not a civil rights issue or equality issue simply because marriage is not a right given by the government but rather a sacrament given to the Church by Christ.
Really? The Church of Christ gives married couples some 2000 rights and benefits? All along I thought that was my government. Silly me.
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