Tom , perhaps there is god, perhaps not, my views are what they are. We disagree on many matters, but thanks for expressing your views and opinions. I go a bit overboard sometimes on these posts, but dont mean to offend. Thanks for you concerns and have a good night.

juliek "I believe he has a real handle on the end-times," Lets see, how many centuries have the end-times been just around the corner?

juliek "Mike Huckabee should stay in this race, it is only fair that the other states get the right to vote for who ever " I agree, but fortunately he has almost no chance

SqueakyWheel "Huckabee need not win all the necessary delegates to "win." All he needs to do is to prevent McCain from winning the sufficient numbers of delegates needed." mccain will be the nominee, he wont be prez, but he will be repub candidate

star2 "The Word of God is not a science text book but the science facts contained in it are accurate" Please list specifically what those science facts are, I would like to know.

star2 "The Word of God will judge you. " What, for thinking and expressing ideas? what are you getting at?

to Torus, mankinds god may simply be an extrateristrial- an advanced civilization some place in the universe, we may simply be an experiment.

Juliek "God will come to Israel's defense again and destroy Israel's enemy" where was God when the Jews were being exterminated in death camps by the millions in Christian Europe.

1man "Truth about a thing though not proven with facts still remains truth" not sure what you mean here. "facts take time to come about, true?" Indeed, it does take a long time to determine if something is factual. I work in a lab for example. I never trust the results of a single experiment, they need to be repeated multiple times to verify result is real. I...more

1man "Truth about a thing though not proven with facts still remains truth"

not sure what you mean here.



"facts take time to come about, true?"

Indeed, it does take a long time to determine if something is factual. I work in a lab for example. I never trust the results of a single experiment, they need to be repeated multiple times to verify result is real. In the larger scheme of things, Einsteins General Theory of Relativity is currently the most accurate description of gravity. After 90 years, experiments are still being conducted to test that theory. Some day it may be determined that his theory is not the best description of gravity and the universe and a new or modified version of the theory might emerge- thats how science works.. Thats what happen to Newtons explanation for gravitation, up until Einstein came along, it was the best model for gravity. it takes a long time and lots of experimentation and observation to determine what is factual. Almost nothing in science is consideredd factual with 100 % certainty. Really nothing is 100 % certain.less

1man "to citsonga I've noticed that your very antagonistic to any attempts at validating our belief in God to you" Its a reaction to being told by christians for years, that I am wrong, that I dont have the correct set of beliefs and therefore I am going to an eternal torture chamber for that my lack of faith and belief for something I cant see and cant hear and cant detect. R...more

1man "to citsonga I've noticed that your very antagonistic to any attempts at validating our belief in God to you"

Its a reaction to being told by christians for years, that I am wrong, that I dont have the correct set of beliefs and therefore I am going to an eternal torture chamber for that my lack of faith and belief for something I cant see and cant hear and cant detect. Religion is a very personal thing, a person should believe in what ever they want as long as it does not impinge on the rights of others. Thats the problem I have with many Christians in the US, they want to impose their beliefs on me. Leave religion where it belongs- home and church, and we will all be better off. That is what the framers of the constitution had in mind. If religion is kept out of public policy decisions, then we have no problems. The Christian view or the Muslim view or the Jewish view of the world and the universe may very well be correct, as an agnostic I have no way of knowing, hence the reason I am an agnostic. If I am wrong, I am wrong, but thats what I think, my ideas are based on what I see in front of me. Have you ever entertained the idea that perhaps your beliefs are wrong? Generally, when I pose that question to Christians, they tell me with 100% certainty that they know the "truth". Nothing is 100 % certain. I really dont mean to come off as belittling peoples beliefs on these boards, but I think too, that I should not be condemned for my beliefs. My profession is in science, and believe me, I realize how very little I know, That applies to everyone else on these boards, so when posters come across as knowing with absolute certainty they know the "truth" and that I or anyone else is misguided, they open themselves up for scrutiny.less

seedplant "Citsonga, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to take a little more self-initiative in educating yourself." in reference to??????

The flaggers are hard at work here again I see. The first thing to go in a theocracy is freedom of speech.. Thats the reason to keep religion out of government, courts and schools.

JHS "WHAT ABOUT THE BUSH FAMILY WHO HAS MADE MILLIONS WITH THEIR DEALING WITH THE SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY, AND I DON'T HEAR REPUBLICANS COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT. " Indeed, I have been trying to point that out for a long time. Its OK by the US for a country to be autocratic if they are an ally of the US such as the Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussan and the corrupt autocratic royal family of...more

JHS "WHAT ABOUT THE BUSH FAMILY WHO HAS MADE MILLIONS WITH THEIR DEALING WITH THE SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY, AND I DON'T HEAR REPUBLICANS COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT. "

Indeed, I have been trying to point that out for a long time. Its OK by the US for a country to be autocratic if they are an ally of the US such as the Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussan and the corrupt autocratic royal family of Saudi Arabia. When allied dictators such as Saddam then oppose the interests of the US, they did become our enemy. Recall the photos of donald rumsfeld chumming up with saddam in the 1980 as saddam was gassing the Kurds- it was not big problem because he was a friend of the US. The US sold him weapons systems, he sold the US oil- he was a business partner of the US, just as the Saudi Royla family is now and the Shah of Iran was. Americans generally dont want to know this side of American foreign policy. Learn about US abuses in the ME for decades, and one will learn why 9-11 occured.less

holito8 "When Christians are fooled it is a dreadful thing, we are suppose to be a light in the world, not a stump. " fooled as by bush. By all accounts based on what I read on these posts by Christians, Christians should be opposed to bush for all the death and destruction he has created in Iraq. flagged myself for typo

The Quality of the Person Can be more Important than the Experience No prior job is training for the presidency exists, its almost all learned on the job. bush brought in all kinds of experience- cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, perle, Negroponte, powell, bolton, feith, rice, roves to name a few experienced people. Look where that experience got the US- a disaster in Iraq resulting in the deaths ...more

The Quality of the Person Can be more Important than the Experience


No prior job is training for the presidency exists, its almost all learned on the job. bush brought in all kinds of experience- cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, perle, Negroponte, powell, bolton, feith, rice, roves to name a few experienced people. Look where that experience got the US- a disaster in Iraq resulting in the deaths and injury of perhaps a million people, the destruction of Iraq,over a trillion of dollars of additional US debt and counting from the Iraq debacle which has the US in Iraq for a long, long time that costs the average American family thousands of dollars per year. The Iraq debacle has created huge problems in Afghanistan. Had resources not been diverted to Iraq (which was not a threat to the US), Afghanistan might be a success story today instead of the disaster its becoming. bush may go down as the first US president to lose two wars. No other countries around the world are going to contribute much to those war efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan because of US arrogance, incompetence and bullying. The Iraq debacle is the worst foreign policy mistake in US history.......so much for all that experience.

Who we really need as president is someone like Sen. Obama that is intelligent, has good management and communication skills that can put a good team together, none of which bush is or has done. So far Obama has out witted all the other candidates with his superior campaign organization- he has not run out of money, he has had a good and consistent campaign strategy, he has not had to change course, he has not had to reshuffle his campaign staff- both clinton and mccain have had problems with all of those things. This tells me that Obama would make the better president.

Obama has more experience than Lincoln had and he turned out to be one of the greatest presidents of all time. Look at all the experience Nixon had, we know how that turned out.

Whats important is the person, not necessarily the experience. Obama has many, many qualities that make great leaders. He will be an effective presence on the world stage. He might even be able to get other countries to help us out in Iraq and Afghanistan after the failed bush admin. is long gone to the ash heap of history.less

star2 "they would have known before Einstein that space is a fabric" that doesn't really describe it well the way you have stated it. You are probably referring to Einsteins General Theory of Relativity, thats probably not in the Bible. Newton was a Biblical scholar. He developed the Law of Universal Gravity- gravity theory of that time up until Einsteins General Theory of Relat...more

star2 "they would have known before Einstein that space is a fabric"

that doesn't really describe it well the way you have stated it. You are probably referring to Einsteins General Theory of Relativity, thats probably not in the Bible. Newton was a Biblical scholar. He developed the Law of Universal Gravity- gravity theory of that time up until Einsteins General Theory of Relativity replaced it as a better theory of gravity. Why didn't Newton develop the superior gravity theory if it were in the Bible as Newton should have recognized it if it were there. The nature of the universe is not described in the Bible to any great extent.


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Chris "Lack a belief in God means??? Believe there is no God. Nobody on the face of the earth could ever say, "I know there is no God" Unless they were God, and that would defeat the purpose. Agnositicism is the only viable position" I agree with your post, as an agnostic, I am very skeptical about the all knowing God, but I cant say there is no God, difficult to prove a n...more

Chris "Lack a belief in God means??? Believe there is no God. Nobody on the face of the earth could ever say, "I know there is no God" Unless they were God, and that would defeat the purpose. Agnositicism is the only viable position"

I agree with your post, as an agnostic, I am very skeptical about the all knowing God, but I cant say there is no God, difficult to prove a negative.

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song2vs4 "The issue over textbooks is simple, the people of Texas don't want a theory of ANY kind taught as fact. Period. " So what you are saying is Texans want to be ignorant of reality, they dont want to know about the General Theory of Relativity which describe gravity. They dont want to know about atomic theory of matter which describes nature on the atomic level which ma...more

song2vs4 "The issue over textbooks is simple, the people of Texas don't want a theory of ANY kind taught as fact. Period. "

So what you are saying is Texans want to be ignorant of reality, they dont want to know about the General Theory of Relativity which describe gravity. They dont want to know about atomic theory of matter which describes nature on the atomic level which makes cell phones and MRI's possbile. I

If Texans dont want "a theory of any kind taught as fact" then they should have a science book burning day, because without the theories, there is no science. Period.

I think the problem here is you dont understand what a theory is and you dont understand science, thats really too bad. Remember this though, without science and its theories, you would not be posting on the internet.less

danny2 "Why are Christians so terrified of science? " Because they and other religions are constantly playing catch-up to science. Christian theologens are having the same basic debates they were having 1,000 years ago. In the mean time science moves forward with new and exciting developments. Religion is same old same old.

nmeacham "I think that Governor Huckabee is the man for the job." Ah, no he is not, he has stated he would amend the constitution to make it a more christian nation. A responsible candidate for president wouldn't say crazy stuff like that. The US needs less religion in government, not more. Obama will make a good president. As a constitutional law professor at the University ...more

nmeacham "I think that Governor Huckabee is the man for the job."

Ah, no he is not, he has stated he would amend the constitution to make it a more christian nation. A responsible candidate for president wouldn't say crazy stuff like that. The US needs less religion in government, not more. Obama will make a good president. As a constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago, he understands what "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" from the first amendment to the US constitution actually means, Huckabee apparently is not well versed in the US Constitution.less