Black Pastor Urges Southern Baptists to Celebrate Obama's Election

cog »

Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Believer,
It may be the part of the country I live in, but there are a great deal of majority black churches with white senior pastors

Black Pastor Urges Southern Baptists to Celebrate Obama's Election

cog »

Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

weekenderman
I'm not advocating placeing people in positions just becasuse of race but lets be realistic- Are you saying that there are no people of colore qualified to lead evangelical colleges or organizations becasue I find that very hard to believe

Believer
I would agree with you to a point but I would be careful not let our worship comfortablility be an excuse for our segregation on all sides, White, Black, Latino and Asian churches. It should not be an us verses them mentality

Black Pastor Urges Southern Baptists to Celebrate Obama's Election

cog »

Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:04 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

The truth is that until there is true ethical diversity and not simple aesthetic diversity in traditional evangelical churches and organizations there will always be racially divided Chrsitian organizations.

There are many evangelical churches, schools and organizations that are run by white men with a majority Black, Asian, or Latino memebership or base. There are only a few evangelical churches with a person of color leading a predominantly white congregation and no people of color leading major evangelical colleges or organizations.

The outside world sees that evangelicals have a race problem why can't we?

Christian Right, Left Find Common Ground in Poverty Reduction

cog »

Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Barryickes,

I believe that it is irresponsible to take the "the poor you will always have" passage out of context and use it as an excuse not to help the poor. Throughout Biblical History the text encourages us to care for the poor and break oppression. Jesus said his mission was to to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed. How is that leftist?

Churches Kick Off Black History Month with Services, Celebration

cog »

Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:27 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Sawnay~Rah
I get that you won't be attending any Black History celebrations this month thats fine.

My issue is why does it have to be culture over unity or unity over culture why not both and. We can be unified in Christ but still have cultrual differences.

BTW I live in NYC and there are many Jewish History celebrations and a Jewish Day parade.

Churches Kick Off Black History Month with Services, Celebration

cog »

Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:42 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Sawnay~Rah

Why would anyone of color desire to go to a church were people disparaged or minimized the struggle of their ancestors by simple saying get over it

I sorry but that is not attitude that espouses Christ like character.

I believe in the multicultural church but it does not mean people have to forget their culture or heritage for the sake of oneness

Churches Kick Off Black History Month with Services, Celebration

cog »

Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:59 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

The Christian Journy is about our relationship with God but it is also about loving our neighbors. That mean honoring the past of a people who who have been disenfranchised and yet through the grace of God have made it. The reason there is some much division in the church is because of attitudes and mindsets like Sawnay~Rah.

Churches across America Reflect on Obama Election

cog »

Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

wrhalver, the 1 Cor. 1 passage was in reference to my first sentence, God using marginalized people (God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things and the things that are not to nullify the things that are)

As I mentioned the Matthew passage is eschatological (the here and not yet)

Churches across America Reflect on Obama Election

cog »

Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:19 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

The Bible is full of God redeeming marginalized people. 1 Corinthians 1. The statement The first shall be last and the last first is eschatological. Black people are not just thankful for Barack Obama but that God is so great that he can take a people that have been down for so long and then place one of them in the highest office in the Land! It is not just a political or social thing but a Kingdom of God thing!

Obama Election Shows Deep Racial Divide in Church

cog »

Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

summathetes, I never said scripture supports abortion of same sax marriage. I said that they are not specifically addressed in the didactic passages of Scripture in as much detail or volume as care for the poor.

I also never said that all evangelical Christians have been on the wrong side of history. But unfortunately, the majority of Christians have. The abolitionists were a minority of Christians who were viewed as radicals and were condemned by my many churches. Example the abolitionist John Brown

I am also not whining simply pointing out the facts were we Christians have acted arrogantly and insensitively regarding race. Our evangelical churches and institutions are examples of our errors.

Obama Election Shows Deep Racial Divide in Church

cog »

Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:14 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 7

I believe that the Evangelical Church has been on the wrong side of history to often (colonization, slavery, Civil Rights, immigration, Obama.) They do have a race problem
Its a shame the secular US will be lead by an African American before any major Evangelical institution.
If abortion and gay marriage are someone’s deciding factors why are these issues never directly addressed in the didactic teachings of Scripture? The Bible has more detail and volume regarding the treatment of the poor(widow, fatherless, and foreigners) then abortion and gay marriage, should that not be our main focus when voting?

Christians Respond to Obama as President

cog »

Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

excuse me believer. Southern evangelicals have been on the wrong side of history. Southern Evangelicals were against slavery, Civil RIghts and Obama. Does my specificity make you feel better? No the church has a problem that we need to address

Christians Respond to Obama as President

cog »

Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:45 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 7

It's sad that evangelical Christianity has always been on the wrong side of true societal change. They were wrong on slavery, Civil Rights, and now the first black president. No wonder so many people are leaving the church!

Episcopalians Meet to Apologize for Slavery

cog »

Wed Oct 08, 2008 5:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Star2, I am not sure why you are obsessed with my ethnicity. (which is mixed)
I speak in Black, White, Asian, Latino and Multicultural Churches we all need Jesus.
I am not trying to force my ideas on you regarding multicultural churches, I simply wish to challenge to Church to be the Church.
I am also going to have to leave this dialogue because I don't believe our discussions have been that productive, progressive and the best use of my time.
I wish you the best. Blessings

Episcopalians Meet to Apologize for Slavery

cog »

Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

lol Star 2, I am a born again Christian. I don't understand why you wish to relegate my ideas to a particular ethnicity. Blessings

Episcopalians Meet to Apologize for Slavery

cog »

Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Star2, That is a complex question which I could not do justice in a post. If you are truly interested I would suggest reading people like John Perkin 'Let Justice Roll Down" and others who have dedicated their lives to your question.

Episcopalians Meet to Apologize for Slavery

cog »

Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Star2 I'm not sure why you think I am a black male and will not speculate. But I don't understand why you think expanding racism to the global context lessens it's impact in the our context (USA). I understand that there is racism all over the world and that God is the answer to racism but that should not negate our responsibility to end it where we are and speak against injustice. For use to just say it's God's job and close our eyes to injustice is dangerous

Episcopalians Meet to Apologize for Slavery

cog »

Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"Blacks have an advantage over the white person in getting jobs, getting into colleges, and etc."

lol Star2 what country do you live in? Have you looked at any statistics lately

It sounds like you are the one that needs to forgive.

Episcopalians Meet to Apologize for Slavery

cog »

Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Star 2, I have forgiven the churches that have hurt me and my family but that does not negate the reality of the racism is still in the church. If I did not forgive those churches I could have easily rejected participating in congregations that were different than me, yet I am still attempting to foster dialogue and discussion cross culturally in churches. If I truly has not forgiven those church I would take your comment offensively as blaming the victim but I understand you are simply attempting to assist in my individual circumstance. blessings

Episcopalians Meet to Apologize for Slavery

cog »

Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

dispute my negative experiences in cultures different then mine, I still believe that the churches should strive to replicate the racial demographics of their community even if it makes all of us feel a little uncomfortable.