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Atheist Groups Increase on School Campuses
converse02 »Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:11 am
Agree: 4 
Disagree: 9
"Christians take offense to the tendency for atheists to treat us as simple minded and ignorant..."
"but are likely to believe in God instead of Darwin"
Darwinian evolution is a fact and accepted by scientists the world over. When many theists keep on denying the science on evolution, it doesn't help impress atheists. -
Atheist Groups Increase on School Campuses
converse02 »Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:23 am Agree: 7 Disagree: 11
I have been to atheist clubs at two different universities to see what they do. They are usually small groups of ppl who hang out and talk, not always about religion/atheism. Kids being kids, looking for friends. They seem like nice regular ppl interested in science and philosophy. They weren’t plotting to rob banks or BBQing kittens, and were able to find morality through secular ethics. Some atheists know more about Christianity than most Christians.
As far as what created life and the universe, I asked. An atheist would probably seek the answer in biology (evolution) and astronomy (cosmology). They would explore and seek the answer based on what ppl know and can know, rather than say an unproven agent did it. Some may say they do not know what created the universe, but do not automatically assume it’s an agent that requires belief and worship. I think that’s reasonable enough. -
Atheist Sam Harris 'Uncomfortable' with Obama's NIH Pick
converse02 »Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:14 am Agree: 2 Disagree: 0
When a scientist sets up an experiment, they do not suppose God, angels, and prayers will affect it. Science is compatible with atheism, but not with theism. Since Galileo, and today on issues like evolution, stem cell research, global warming, vaccines and Ken Ham's creation "museum," it is no wonder why many think Christians are anti-science.
The Earth is not 6000 years old, the universe was not created in 6 days, nor did God give Adam the breath of life after he molded him from clay. If the Bible cannot be trusted be scientifically correct, it cannot be trust to be morally correct, and the excuse that "it's a metaphor" isn't very convincing (a metaphor for what?). -
"It tells us to enjoy ourselves. It would be hard to come up with a more self-centered message than this."
Wow. Paul Woolley's must be one miserable person.
I know lots of atheists who enjoy themselves volunteering, giving, and protecting the environment. To bad he can't. Go atheists! -
Atheists 'Evangelize' on College Campuses
converse02 »Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:14 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0
Is this article a joke?
Compare Christian evangelism to atheist "evangelism." InterVarsity Christian Fellowship has staff working of 580 people. Christians knock on doors, walk up to ppl on streets, and go on missions preaching. There are Christians who shout on street corners, own TV and radio, and have entire schools and Jesus Camps dedicated to brainwashing...I mean, converting...the young. All of this evangelism because their alleged laudable and all-powerful God is either unwilling or incapable of doing it himself.
And now, christians are complaining about a few atheists, calling them "aggressive" and "militant," for writing books and making speeches on college campuses? Loftus makes news? Oh please.
It's not that I'm against christianity, I'm just against hypocrisy. -
Atheists 'Evangelize' on College Campuses
converse02 »Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:05 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0
"InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, has a staff working on 580 U.S. colleges."
People have all heard what the Christians have to say. Please give the atheists a chance to speak.
Christians have 580 people in just one fellowship alone, actively trying to "evangelize," but when a handful of atheists want to speak and share ideas, atheism is suddenly "aggressive" and "militant." Oh, give me a break. Let these college students listen and judge for themselves. Many top scientists, Nobel Prize winners, top professors and writers have turned to atheism. Perhaps there is something to be said.
ShuckCreations
"They mean to harm our way of life, they want to destroy the foundation that makes us happy..."
If everyone thought the way you did, the world would filled with paranoia and misunderstanding. We, today, live in a global village, and we must understand the "way of life" of others and ourselves. There are successful, noble, and happy atheists in the world. They are living proof that the foundation of happiness doesn't come from were you think. Atheists are everywhere these days and most are decent people. We must interact peacefully, but communicate, discuss, and truly probe why we think the way we do and seek the truth, not merely "tolerant" each other.
Atheists most come forward and discuss their ideas. If they are wrong, then theists should point out were they are mistaken, and vice versa. If an atheist/theists are hidden and never challenged, what good is it? How are we to know what is the truth? -
Atheists 'Evangelize' on College Campuses
converse02 »Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:00 am Agree: 1 Disagree: 1
Many people today are growing to accept atheism. Atheists are everywhere: teachers, professors, Nobel Prize winners, government officials, firemen, and your co-worker and neighbor. It is important for believers and non-believers alike to increase dialogue between one another to communicate and reach an understanding.
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'Atheism Remix' - Understanding and Answering the New Atheism
converse02 »Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:41 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 2
Steiner
A singularity is not an explosion of a point in space. It didn't appear in space; rather, space began inside of the singularity. It wasn't an explosion either, but an expansion, "inflation," that is still going on. The "nothing" in a singularity has a different meaning than "nothing" in the vernacular. A singularity is "something" as it consists of intense gravitational pressure compressing matter into an infinite density. A singularity is "something" that is infinitesimally small, infinitely hot and infinitely dense.
Scientists are revealing what was before the Big Bang in quantum cosmology, string theory, M-theory and working on ideas like cyclic universe. Evidence and more data will come soon with the exciting opening of a new supercollider at the Frano-Swiss border, the LHC.
What is coming out in science is grand and more meaningful than you saying you have all the answers with "Goddidit." Most atheists have reflected on the Bible and regard it as wisdom from our primitive ancestors, but flawed and not divine. If you try to understand science and atheists more, perhaps you can appreciate where we are coming from. -
Evangelical Scholar Takes New Atheists Seriously
converse02 »Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:10 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0
A theologian? When has a theologian ever produced any knowledge that was a the least bit useful for the atheist?
If they want to respond to atheism and not just preach to the choir, they need to use arguments that atheists actually value. Those grounded in science and evidence. -
Lev 20:13, If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death....
One day the Lords says gays are an abdomination and shall surely be put to death, the next day Jesus is cool with them. Sounds like a flip flop to me... -
Chris333
I agree with you that Christ/Lord wasn't speaking to everyone, he was just telling the people of the Old Covenant to kill, which refutes what you said about him never asking ppl to kill.
Let me break it down for you..
The Lord was speaking to the people of the Old Covenant.
1 Samuel 15:2-3
Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but SLAY both man and woman, infant .......
SLAY both man and woman...sound like the Lord is asking ppl to kill. And the Lord and Christ is the same person, therefore, Christ is asking ppl to kill. -
Christians Urged to Rally Behind Student Suing Teacher
converse02 »Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:38 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 2
jwade
Atheism is not a religion, it's simply a lack in belief in God.
A lack in belief in God is no more a religion than a lack of belief in Thor, Zeus, Santa, or magical elves.
Think about what you wrote logically: a LACK of religion (atheism) is also a religion.
A lack of [X] is also a [X].
Umm...no. The word lack, look it up. -
Chris333
Living things are not cars. They undergo evolution. Science has shown how the argument from evolution defeats the argument from design. Dawkins (with the help of many other scientists) summerized it in his book The Blind Watchmaker. The title speaks volumes.
Pascal's Wager is an appeal to force and fear, not to reason. It is neutralized by the fact there exists many religions.
If there is no Zeus/Allah/invisible Unicorns, and you bet your life there is, you have lost nothing. But if there is a Zeus/Allah/Invisible Unicorns, and you bet your life there is not, you have made an eternal mistake and end up in Hades/Hell/trampled forever. Believe in Zeus/Hell/Invisble Unicorns. Are you to worship the God with the worst Hell?
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Chris333
"Christ never said go out and murder any one"
Keep in mind Christ and the Lord are the same person.
1 Samuel 15:2-3
Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant ....... -
schumacr
What does that have to do with my post?
My post was about a girl, who's non-christian friend died, who said she was more mentally tortured by the idea her friend was burning in hell for all eternity than getting sexually abused.
As far as your question in regards to Sam Harris, why not ask him yourself? I'm not Sam Harris. -
maranatha7593.
Please explain to me how Jesus getting executed by Romans dying for our sins.
Where do you get the notion that by getting executed on the cross, Jesus "became sin for us." Why was it necessarily for Jesus to die on a cross to do it? As an all powerful being, could he not just snap his fingers? -
schumacr
You ask "Does God care about wool/polyester blends?" and conclude he doesn't. Excuse me, are you God? Anyone who can read can see God DOES care about wool/polyester blends, that's why he MADE A LAW about it in the Bible. If God didn't mean mixing material types, THEN WHY DOES HE SAY DON'T MIXED DIFFERENT MATERIAL TYPES?!?!?
The Bible, source of your "absolute" morasl, clearly states in Lev 20:13 that gays are to killed, yet you disobey this law.
Same with Deu 22:23-24, which you avoid. The situation here is specifically rape, not adultery. "Ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not."
Do ou stone a quiet rape victims as your "Law giver" commanded? No.
What happened? "Absolute" morals change? -
maranatha7593
Hilter believed in God, in Jesus, and ruled over a Christianized Germany.
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter."
-Hitler.
Hitler was indeed, a Christian.
The Crusades were a series of military conflicts of a religious character waged by much of Christian Europe during 1095–1291, most of which were sanctioned by the Pope in the name of the Catholic Church.
Where have you heard of anyone killing someone and proclaiming they did it for "no God?" That defies common sense. There are many examples of ppl killing and shouting they did it for "God." -
Schumer
You say moral don't evolve, but what about these bible (KJV) quotes:
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Deu 22:23-24 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not
So, should we still be killing gays and stoning quiet rape victims? -
schumacr
God the Almighty has made our nation.
-Adolf Hitler, in a radio address, 30 Jan. 1945
In is interesting you cite Hitler because he was a Roman Catholic, a Christian, not an atheist. Hitler Germany was largely a Christianized nation. The Vatican celebrated his birthday and Hitler was never excommunicated, unlike Galileo. Hitler did not personally kill 20 mil ppl. Many of his orders were carried out by Christians.
And Mao was chinese. To suggest if he believed in the Stove God or Shang Ti and think that would have stopped the cultural revolution shows a gross misunderstanding history and culture.
Again, common sense shows no one would kills for "no God," just like no one kills for no Santa or no Thor. Mao was an atheist, but he didn't kill for atheism. Likewise, Hitler was a Roman Catholic but he didn't kill for religion. Mao killed for communism and Hilter killed for fascism. However, the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, and the witch burning WERE done in the name God, and justified using specific quotes from the Bible.
No one kills for "no" God is not refuted by history and is soundly supported by common sense. You assertion that you need God for morality is refuted by the existance many moral atheists. Even atheistic ideologies like Buddhism and Zen contain many moral agents. You don't need God to be good. Many laws of the United States contradict those of the Bible because they are deemed too immoral and old fashioned.
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