Evangelicals Convene for Creation Care Summit

danny »

Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

“America needs our biblical outrage. We as a nation will face a judgment from God if we don’t do this,” said Cizik, who has spearheaded the green evangelical movement at the anger of some leaders in his circle. Cizik’s critics argue that he is distracting attention away from more important issues such as abortion and gay rights.

It's interesting that some Christians think sticking their noses into other people's private lives is more important than protecting our planet for future generations.

Evangelicals Convene for Creation Care Summit

danny »

Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Topekan said "It's amazing that these 'evangelicals' believe that mere men can have such a catastrophic influence on God's creation. Do they believe that it will cause the world to end before the scheduled second coming of Jesus?"

It's been scheduled? When?

Are you trying to justify the trashing of our planet because the world's going to end anyway? That's a disgusting and dangerous belief you got there Topekan.

Here's a little reality lesson. Earth will continue to support life until our sun burns out 5 billion years from now. Humans could still be living on earth for billions of years if and only if they treat this planet with respect.

Oh, and by the way, your dead Jesus isn't coming back. You have been brainwashed beyond any hope if you think a completely decomposed dead person could ever live again.

Anti-Christian Barrage at the Movies

danny »

Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:10 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

According to a Barna Group study in September 2007, 91 percent of the nation's evangelicals believe that "Americans are becoming more hostile and negative toward Christianity."

Finally evangelicals believe in something that's actually true.

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:34 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

tgender, your quote mining was dishonest. You owe everyone here an apology. There is no excuse for lying. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

tgender, Here's some more information for why you should check your facts before you cut and paste from a dishonest creationist website:

Muller on evolution
A special irony with the use of Muller to mount a criticism of evolutionary theory is that Muller himself considered evolution to be a fact.

When we say a thing is a fact, then, we only mean that its probability is an extremely high one: so high that we are not bothered by doubt about it and are ready to act accordingly. Now in this use of the term fact, the only proper one, evolution is a fact. For the evidence in favor of it is as voluminous, diverse, and convincing as in the case of any other well established fact of science concerning the existence of things that cannot be directly seen, such as atoms, neutrons, or solar gravitation.

-- Hermann Muller

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/muller.html

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

tgender: "Here’s a quote from H.J. Muller,..."

tgender, quote mining is dishonest. Thanks to google, you can't get away with this dishonesty.

Instead of telling you why you were extremely dishonest, I will just give you the website that explains it.

I will give you the benefit of a doubt and assume your lying was not intentional.

However, I suggest in the future you should check your facts before you blindly cut and paste from some dishonest creationist website. Ignorance is no excuse for dishonesty.

Muller and Mutations

"Good ones are so rare that we can consider them all bad."

"The last sentence is sometimes emphasized in bold face type or capitals. However, that sentence simply does not appear anywhere in the cited reference. The correct context is as follows:"

tgender, see this website for a complete explanation of your (unintentional?) dishonesty:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/muller.html

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Prophet, You made some very good points that I agree with.

"We are not tied down to the natural laws of nature since we have the ability to overcome much of those laws in order to survive."

For modern humans natural selection is not as powerful as it used to be, because it no longer takes much intelligence to survive. If we get hungry, we buy food and eat it. No hunting or farming is necessary for most people.

In the past, after we split from our cousins the chimpanzee apes about 5 or 6 million years ago, only the smartest survived. Human apes who were slightly more intelligent were more likely to avoid becoming prey and were more skilled at hunting prey. Chimps and humans evolved in different environments. Because our environment required more intelligence to survive, natural selection selected human apes who had slightly larger brains. It's interesting that the chimp and human brains have the exact same structure but our brains evolved to become larger.

Today it's too easy to survive, so natural selection selects virtually everyone, no matter how smart or dumb they are.

Anyway, like you said, humans are trashing this planet and wiping out other species. This must stop. Scientists are working hard to save endangered species, and they are trying to warn governments and industries about how important it is to protect our environment.

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Prophet, I don't see what biological evolution has to do with the invention of weapons used to wipe out members of the same species. The idea of natural selection is animals who are able to survive long enough to reproduce, pass their genes on to the next generation. The survival of a species does not require the murder of members of the same species. In the ancient past and in the modern world, many species, including humans, have to cooperate with each other to survive.

For example, today to get thru the day, I depended on a baker, a deli person, a cashier, and a few farmers. Using weapons to kill members of my own species would not have increased my chances of survival.

Since you brought up the subject of weapons, what weapon could be more powerful than the belief in heaven which made 9/11 possible?

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Just to sort of get back on topic, I would like to share this information about "militant atheist" Richard Dawkins:

Hypothesis: if you can take an idea which most people thought was the most hated concept in America this side of al-Qaeda’s mission statement and turn that idea into a book which stays on the New York Times bestseller list for almost a year, publishers will let you write your own ticket at least once.

Evidence: Richard Dawkins is being paid $3.5 million for his next book, Only A Theory? (to be published in 2009), which will lay out evidence for evolution.

http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=536

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Prophet, it takes a lot of work and a lot of thinking to understand evolution. That's what I meant by thinking. I noticed people who accept every word of an ancient book as fact that can't be questioned, have made a decision to not think.

Prophet: "Human progress brought us WWI..."

I wouldn't call wars human progress. Wars just slow down progress. (Religions also slow down human progress.) Do you think human progress is a bad thing? How about medical research that depends on knowledge of evolution? Is medical research that saves lives good or bad? My point is creationists who attack science education are not contributing anything to human progress. They are just getting in the way.

star2: "People are not animals."

Then are we plants?

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Then true Christians are not allowed to think?

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Prophet, if I understood you correctly, any Christian who accepts evolution, including the idea that humans developed from other animals, is not really a Christian.

That's fine with me, but I think a few million Christians would disagree with you.

Personally I sort of agree with you. Certainly there are many Christians who accept evolution. I can't deny their existence. However, for me it's difficult to understand why a person would remain a Christian if he understands people are just animals and nothing more. Anyway, I respect Christians who accept biological evolution. They don't have their head in the sand. They are not afraid of science. They don't let an ancient book prevent them from using their brains. They are on the side of human progress, instead of getting in the way.

Prophet: "And I have not made a decision on the age of the earth."

Your fellow geologists have noticed all the evidence shows the earth to be between 4 and 5 billion years old. Do you know something they don't know? Would you like to discuss your contributions to geology? With all due respect, I have to question the competence of a geologist who has "not made a decision on the age of the earth" and rejects biological evolution. Even grammar school students understand and accept the basic facts of evolution and the very old age of our planet.

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:02 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Horrible. A geologist who rejects evolution. How old is the earth, prophet?

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

The exceptions are Christians like ifeelfine72. Apparently it is possible for a Christian to think, to accept science, and to get thru the day without threatening people.

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Please continue with the threats. Every time a Christian on this blog says "agree with me or else be tortured by my invisible friend" a young intelligent person reads it and figures out Christianity is only for childish immoral people. Christians are their own worst enemy. No atheist could ever do as much damage to Christianity as a Christian can. Every time Christians attack science, or threaten somebody because they have the ability to think, they scare away bright young people. Who is left? Only the dumbest, the most gullible, and the most immoral young people remain Christians.

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

tgender: "Your rejection of God is an insult to the Almighty Creator for which you will be dreadfully sorry some day."

Did I insult your invisible friend? Is your invisible friend going to get even with me?

"Respect my invisible friend or else my invisible friend is going to torture you."

Childish and disgusting. I want nothing to do with your repulsive religion.

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

GreatNW, what's your solution? Pray to your sky daddy to make everything better?

It's the scientists who are trying to clean up this planet, while anti-science Christians are trying to pollute it.

tgender: "I happen to think that God wants us to investigate His creation and discover the wonders of it."

How do you expect to do that with your head buried in the sand? See ifeelfine72's comments. He's a Christian and he's not afraid of biology like you are.

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

John Marcus Doe, thanks! Also, thanks for your excellent comparison of religions and science. Scientists make the world a better place in countless ways, including tremendous improvements in agriculture. Thanks to science it's possible to feed billions of people. Meanwhile, what has religion done for agriculture, biology, protection of endangered species, or anything else? Nothing but get in the way. If religions were to somehow disappear (or if religious people supported scientists instead of fighting them) there would be an explosion of human progress.

ifeelfine72, If only there were more Christians like you. If all religious people were pro-science like yourself, I wouldn't have any problem with religions.

tgender, your rejection of evolution is an insult to the hard work and integrity of tens of thousands of scientists. I have to agree with what ifeelfine72 (a pro-science Christian) said about the anti-science Christians: "they bury their heads in the sand and don't look at the evidence at all."

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Every year for millions of years there has been too much water somewhere, but nobody built a boat to save dinosaurs and other creatures from a flood. Unlike Christians, educated people know dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years before our ancient ape ancestors developed into modern human apes. No atheist is perfect, but at least we don't believe in crazy impossible ideas. Christians are willing to believe anything. No idea is too insane for a Christian to accept. If it's in the Bible, then it's true, no matter how much scientific evidence must be rejected to believe it. Faith is the process of not thinking. Faith is the complete rejection of common sense.

Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

danny »

Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

"Militant atheists are just trying to defend their outlandish views because they are morally bankrupt."

We're not the ones who are claiming dinosaurs lived with people. We are the only people on earth who are not insane.

Christians should learn from atheists instead of complaining about them. I wonder how many Christians have ever bothered to read God Delusion. They more than anyone need to read it.