I just went to http://www.creationministries.org/seminars.asp and I saw a video about Noah's Ark. According to creation ministries there was an ark a few thousand years ago and there were baby dinosaurs on that ark. God put them there. It takes a very special kind of craziness and gullibility to believe there were dinosaurs who lived a few thousand years ago with people. This belief req...more

I just went to http://www.creationministries.org/seminars.asp and I saw a video about Noah's Ark.

According to creation ministries there was an ark a few thousand years ago and there were baby dinosaurs on that ark. God put them there.

It takes a very special kind of craziness and gullibility to believe there were dinosaurs who lived a few thousand years ago with people. This belief requires a rejection of almost all of science, and it requires a lifetime avoidance of education.

This is why books like "The God Delusion" have made best-selling lists. These strange anti-science religious ideas like the Noah's Ark myth are destroying our country. America is slowly becoming a backward country. Already we are being laughed at.

The topic of this thread is "Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism".

Christians are being ridiculed by atheists for a good reason. What Christians need to do instead of complaining about the ridicule, is educate themselves. They need to learn about science. Unfortunately many Christians, instead of educating themselves, are avoiding education. Some Christians are actually attacking education. They are trying to suppress the teaching of evolution, and some Christians are harassing and threatening science teachers. If Christians were to join the 21st century instead of fighting it, there wouldn't be any need for militant atheist books.less

I noticed there are people here who are complaining there's no benefits to understanding evolution, as if evolution is a worthless subject. In a previous comment I quoted a scientist who said "Evolution is the grand unifying theory of biology. It is a solid core running through all modern research from molecular biology to genomics to ecology. Where once biology was a disjointed group of...more

I noticed there are people here who are complaining there's no benefits to understanding evolution, as if evolution is a worthless subject. In a previous comment I quoted a scientist who said "Evolution is the grand unifying theory of biology. It is a solid core running through all modern research from molecular biology to genomics to ecology. Where once biology was a disjointed group of subjects whose main role seemed to be just to classify life into neat categories, it is now at the forefront of scientific research. Indeed, the study of heredity - genetics - is said to be leading mankind into a biotechnological golden age with ever-more potent pharmaceuticals, cleaner fuels and improved crops."

Evolution has no benefits? That's crazy.

Also, what about this benefit: knowledge.

What's wrong with learning about the history of life? The creationists, who blindly believe in Genesis because they were brainwashed to believe it's not a childish made up story, don't know what they're missing. There can be nothing more interesting than the scientific explanation of the diversity of life.

For example, the structure of the chimpanzee brain and the human brain is exactly the same. I just learned this recently. Since we split from the chimps only 5 or 6 million years ago, it makes sense that our brains are so identical. The only difference is our brains evolved to be larger.

There's millions of more interesting things about evolution. The creationists will never learn about any of it.less

Since everything is magic, let's throw out science.

genome: An organism's genetic material. 2001 Human genome sequenced. 2004 Chimp genome sequenced and compared with human genome. It's been only 3 or 4 years since scientists have been able to compare the chimpanzee ape genome to the human ape genome. There can no longer be any doubt about our close relationship to chimps. I recently saw a good explanation I would like to quo...more

genome: An organism's genetic material.

2001 Human genome sequenced.

2004 Chimp genome sequenced and compared with human genome.

It's been only 3 or 4 years since scientists have been able to compare the chimpanzee ape genome to the human ape genome. There can no longer be any doubt about our close relationship to chimps.

I recently saw a good explanation I would like to quote: "The same DNA evidence that criminologists use to put rapists behind bars and make dead-beat dads pay-up can also used to show that chimps and humans share a common ancestor. In fact, the degree of certainty that humans and chimps share a common ancestor is much higher than the degree that courts routinely accept when using DNA evidence in death-row cases."less

truthstands: "human beings haven't got any benefit out of the idea of evolution." http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/pda/A673319 The theory of evolution is a staggeringly beautiful and rather clever concept that aims to describe how animals, plants, bacteria and all other living things have adapted, and continue to adapt, to their surroundings. The theory allows mankind to perceive...more

truthstands: "human beings haven't got any benefit out of the idea of evolution."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/pda/A673319

The theory of evolution is a staggeringly beautiful and rather clever concept that aims to describe how animals, plants, bacteria and all other living things have adapted, and continue to adapt, to their surroundings. The theory allows mankind to perceive life's history down the eons and understand how and why all living things came to be.

Evolution is the grand unifying theory of biology. It is a solid core running through all modern research from molecular biology to genomics to ecology. Where once biology was a disjointed group of subjects whose main role seemed to be just to classify life into neat categories, it is now at the forefront of scientific research. Indeed, the study of heredity - genetics - is said to be leading mankind into a biotechnological golden age with ever-more potent pharmaceuticals, cleaner fuels and improved crops.

http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/assets/wtd026042.pdf

“Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution."less

Next you're going to say black is white.

I'm not the one rejecting virtually every scientific discovery ever made in the past two centuries. Just the existence of people like Russ Miller is an insult to the hard work of every scientist in the world.

OK, fine. Then no sane person could take him seriously. 6,000 years or 14,000,000,000 years. Quite a difference. Somebody is out of their mind. The scientists have all the evidence. Russ Miller has his wild imagination and his total ignorance of all science.

The Russ Miller quote is from me. He's a quack. No educated person could take him seriously.

The power of faith. It can destroy buildings, and it can destroy minds.

Russ Miller: "After God removed the scales from my eyes I saw that modern science does not support Darwinism. I also realized evolutionary teachings are undermining the world's faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. I now put my trust in the young earth creation of Scripture, and have picked up my cross to do something about the false knowledge we are being taught." He picked up his cro...more

Russ Miller: "After God removed the scales from my eyes I saw that modern science does not support Darwinism. I also realized evolutionary teachings are undermining the world's faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. I now put my trust in the young earth creation of Scripture, and have picked up my cross to do something about the false knowledge we are being taught."

He picked up his cross? Do you, star2, expect anyone to take this quack seriously?less

star2: "TheHuron137 No offense, but you are ignorant." star2, you're the one who thinks the universe is 14 billion years younger than it actually is. You're the one who rejects all of science to justify children's fairy tales like magical creation. To believe the nonsense you believe in, you have to reject evidence so massive it could fill thousands of books. And you ha...more

star2: "TheHuron137 No offense, but you are ignorant."

star2, you're the one who thinks the universe is 14 billion years younger than it actually is. You're the one who rejects all of science to justify children's fairy tales like magical creation. To believe the nonsense you believe in, you have to reject evidence so massive it could fill thousands of books. And you have the nerve to call TheHuron137 ignorant.less

Quecat, For more than a century tens of thousands of scientists from many branches of science have been making scientific discoveries that add to our knowledge of evolution. Occasionally somebody screws up. So what? That's what peer review is for. There are many valid fossils that shows one line of dinosaurs developed into modern birds. If you don't understand that, then educate yourself...more

Quecat, For more than a century tens of thousands of scientists from many branches of science have been making scientific discoveries that add to our knowledge of evolution. Occasionally somebody screws up. So what? That's what peer review is for. There are many valid fossils that shows one line of dinosaurs developed into modern birds. If you don't understand that, then educate yourself instead of wasting your time cutting and pasting the occasional error.

star2, you believe the earth (and the universe?) is a few thousand years old? I feel sorry for you. People like you (and Quecat) are more of a threat to your religion than any atheist book ever could be.less

truthstands, you can't deny the cornerstone of biology and then say you're not anti-science. It's too bad for you. You're missing out on a lot of interesting stuff.

"The two apologists recommended that pastors become familiar with both books by atheist authors and those by Christian apologists." Yes, that would be nice if somebody actually read the God Delusion and other books that promote reality. I read part of God Delusion in a bookstore. It was a bit boring for me, but I can see how somebody who hasn't been exposed to his ideas might act...more

"The two apologists recommended that pastors become familiar with both books by atheist authors and those by Christian apologists."

Yes, that would be nice if somebody actually read the God Delusion and other books that promote reality. I read part of God Delusion in a bookstore. It was a bit boring for me, but I can see how somebody who hasn't been exposed to his ideas might actually learn something. Apparently this book has at least convinced a few people to throw out their indoctrination. Reality is a wonderful and interesting idea. I wonder why more people don't accept reality. Learning about science is much more interesting than constantly lying about it.less

For those Christians who dishonestly claim there's no Christian war against science, I ask why do so many Christians want evolution removed from biology classes? Evolution is one of the big ideas of science and it's by far the most important idea of biology. I noticed this blog is infested with anti-evolution Christians who would love to suppress the teaching of the most important fou...more

For those Christians who dishonestly claim there's no Christian war against science, I ask why do so many Christians want evolution removed from biology classes?

Evolution is one of the big ideas of science and it's by far the most important idea of biology. I noticed this blog is infested with anti-evolution Christians who would love to suppress the teaching of the most important foundation of biology. There's definitely a major war against science going on, and this is the major reason why there are now so many best selling anti-Christian books. Christians should understand it's in their best interest to leave science education alone. They will never win their war against education. They will only scare away their most intelligent members.less

"you said that religionist have no basis of belief because science disproves religious beliefs." No, I didn't say that. I said scientists could care less about supernatural ideas because the supernatural has nothing to do with science. However, if the Christian war against science continues, scientists might take the time to attack supernatural ideas. This is why I suggested Chri...more

"you said that religionist have no basis of belief because science disproves religious beliefs."

No, I didn't say that. I said scientists could care less about supernatural ideas because the supernatural has nothing to do with science. However, if the Christian war against science continues, scientists might take the time to attack supernatural ideas. This is why I suggested Christians should let science teachers do their jobs without harassment. Christians should end the war against science they started. They should just let scientists and science teachers do their jobs. Is that too much to ask?less

"What proof do you have that people were once apes?" People are apes my friend. We developed from the same ancient apes the other modern ape species developed from. Want proof? Look it up. I don't have all day. A good place to start is the Dover trial transcripts. See http://tinyurl.com/d72rd That should take you at least a month to read. Get back to me when you're done if y...more

"What proof do you have that people were once apes?"

People are apes my friend. We developed from the same ancient apes the other modern ape species developed from. Want proof? Look it up. I don't have all day. A good place to start is the Dover trial transcripts. See http://tinyurl.com/d72rd That should take you at least a month to read. Get back to me when you're done if you have any questions. Until you educate yourself, I would be just wasting my time explaining anything to you.

In the meantime please keep your supernatural ideas out of science classes. In return science teachers won't think in your church.less

"How does science refute belief?" Scientists don't bother to refute supernatural ideas. They have better things to do. However, if Christians continue to attack science education, scientists might become fed up and make time to attack supernatural beliefs. Some scientists have already done this. Dawkins is the most famous example. More scientists might do the same if the Chris...more

"How does science refute belief?"

Scientists don't bother to refute supernatural ideas. They have better things to do.

However, if Christians continue to attack science education, scientists might become fed up and make time to attack supernatural beliefs. Some scientists have already done this. Dawkins is the most famous example. More scientists might do the same if the Christian war against science doesn't end soon. This is why I think it's in the best interests of Christians to leave the science teachers alone and let them do the job they were paid to do.less

"have you seen an Ape evolved into human being recently?" Do you think new species develop in one generation? It takes millions of years. By the way, people are apes. Anyway, truthstands, believe what you want. Nobody cares. Scientists only ask that your non-scientific ideas be kept out of science classes. Scientists have no problem with preachers teaching the supernatural in churc...more

"have you seen an Ape evolved into human being recently?"

Do you think new species develop in one generation? It takes millions of years. By the way, people are apes.

Anyway, truthstands, believe what you want. Nobody cares. Scientists only ask that your non-scientific ideas be kept out of science classes. Scientists have no problem with preachers teaching the supernatural in church. In return they ask that science teachers be allowed to teach science in science classes, preferably without harassment and threats.less