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Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

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danpat1_2000 »

Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:10 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Happy birthday Holy Mother. And thanks for giving me a new assignment. Love you as always.

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Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Okay, I will try and behave. I stand rebuked. Having four flat tires in four weeks hasn't helped but (haven't had one in 40 years); however I do have difficulty in discerning whether someone who keeps asking the same question over and over because some people do have problems like dyslexia, etc.

Thank you Dreamer and Chas.

But in the one post FYI St Thomas Aquinas was not a pope so I do not want people to think that I thought he was.

{what are the odds against 4 flat tires in 4 weeks different cars, different cities, differnt locations?)
God Bless

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danpat1_2000 »

Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

For your edification: This took about 2 minutes and is available on line:

Faith Group or tradition Founder Date (CE)
Location
Roman Catholic
Jesus, Peter 1 Circa 30 1 Palestine
Orthodox churches
Jesus, Peter 2 Circa 30 2 Palestine
Lutheranism Martin Luther 1517 Germany
Swiss Reformed Church Zwingli 1523 Switzerland
Mennonites No single founder 1525 Switzerland
Anglican Communion King Henry 8 1534 England
Calvinism John Calvin 1536 Switzerland
Presbyterianism John Knox 1560 Scotland
Baptist Churches John Smyth 1605 Holland
Dutch Reformed Michaelis Jones 1628 Netherlands
Amish
Jakob Ammann 1693 Switzerland
Methodism John Wesley 1739 England
Quakers
George Fox 1647 England
Moravians Count Zinendorf 1727 Germany
Congregationalism John & Charles Wesley 1744 England
Swedenborg Emanuel Swedenborg 1747 Sweden
Brethren John Darby 1828 England
Latter-day Saints
Joseph Smith 1830 NY, USA
Seventh Day Adventists
Ellen White 1860 NH, USA
Salvation Army William Booth 1865 England
Jehovah's Witnesses
Charles Russell 1870 PA, USA
Christian Science
Mary Baker Eddy 1879 Pleasant View, NH USA
Pentecostalism
Charles Parham 1900 CA, USA
Worldwide Church of God
Herbert W. Armstrong 1933/1947 OR, USA 3
Unification Church
Sun Myung Moon 1954 South Korea

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danpat1_2000 »

Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

OnLine: "Care to explain why Pope Zosimus reversed his position and condemned the Pelagian heresy? He obviously supported this heresy until the bishops of Africa assembled a general synod of their own at Carthage in 418 A.D. . . . . They passed a number of canons specifically condemning the teachings of Pelagius. So much for infallibility . . . "

Again, you have no understanding of "infallibility;" however Blacksho on this site understands it and has verified with me -- only two instances of Ex Cathedra decisions have been made by the popes in over 2000 years. So have Blacksho delineate them for you...I'll give you a clue-they have nothing to do with Pelagian...

Have you forgotten St Paul: (1st Council of Jerusalem)

What Jesus commanded us to learn from Him was not to go around with whips in our hands, but to be meek and humble of heart. St. Paul, who withstood St. Peter face-to-face, had been personally appointed by Christ as a vessel of election, to be His special Apostle to the Gentiles. It is not unimportant that St. Peter fully and reverently recognized that appointment, and also that St. Paul withstood him face-to-face, and not on a picket line or in an open letter to the National Jerusalem Reporter!
(This is not an ex-Cathedra decision either)

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danpat1_2000 »

Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"“Repeat the name and date of the founder on the Catholic Church and give me the source.”

But you haven't...here is only one of my examples:

Religion: Founder: Year of Founding

Calvinism John Calvin 1536

This is simple enough.

Relgion: Founder Year of Founding
Catholicism ? ?

This should be easy for you since it is difficult to lose a flock of over 1 billion people

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danpat1_2000 »

Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"You superior attitude is almost comical. Like I am watching a character on stage or something. Ego dramatics. Very entertaining but also offensive in intent."

Example please...when one posts something 6 times one can only assume there is some reading deficienty at work here (and I feel sorry about that but many times it can be cured). Especially since others seem to understand it.

Truth is not arrogant. "The first reaction to truth is anger." St Thomas Aquinas (so I expect some visceral reaction)

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Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"dan, tell the truth now, you're really not a roman catholic at all, you're really just here to make it appear that roman catholics are so ignorant that no one in their right mind would want to be one. Well let me say you are doing an awesome job of convincing us of that!! And maybe that's why you choose not to provide any valid scripture whatsoever to support roman catholic teachings since to do so might show that some of the supposed false teachings of the roman catholic church do have some legitimate biblical support."

I do the best I can but it is difficult with someone who can't read, and I assume you are an adult. But these things happen-my daugther teaches "remedial reading" and she says she occasionally gets an adult in her 3rd grad class.

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danpat1_2000 »

Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Believer: dan, "the Church created the Bible" and you accuse others of not knowing the Bible, God wrote His Bible by the superintending of the Holy Spirit through those who penned God's Word, none of whom were a roman catholic!"

You're just miffed because no one believes "the Bible according to Believer."

There were no bibles when St Peter and the Apostles were evangelizing the world in accord with Jesus (commission to His One Holy Catholic (UNIVERSAL CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST) and Apostolic Church to St Peter (first bishop of Rome and the Apostles):

Matthew 28:18-20 (New International Version)
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey "everything" [THIS ELIMINATES "CHERRY-PICKING"] I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." [THIS ASSURES THE CATHOLIC CHURCE WILL BE HERE AT THE END OF THE WORLD CARRYING OUT HIS GOSPEL AS HE COMMANDED]

OF COURSE YOU REJECT THE "TEACHINGS OF MEN - (HOLY TRADITION):"
(THUS FROM JESUS' DEATH IN 28 AD, 17 YEARS PASSED BEFORE THE FIRST SCRIPTURE WAS WRITTEN SO THIS KIND OF SHOOTS YOUR "SCRIPTURE PLEASE" IN THE FOOT SINCE THERE WAS ONLY THE "TRADITIONS OF MEN" (WHICH YOU REJECT) THUS EVEN THOUGH THE APOSTLES WERE ESTABLISHING LOCAL CHURCES EVERYWHERE YOU HAVE REJECTED THIS TRUTH. And you have missed much more before the full Bible was approved in 397 AD by the Catholic Church:

MARK 45-70
MATTHEW 68-80
LUKE 80
JOHN 95-100

Take a course in history and it will help you sort out the dates

God Bless

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danpat1_2000 »

Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:38 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

"Believer: " I said was is that when those extra-biblical writings contradict, violate, and/or supersede the Word of God"

This is the arrogance. What you really mean is "supercede the word of Believer." And why you strugglre so hard to understand even the most basic concepts in Scripture. I will pray to the Holy Spirit for you.

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danpat1_2000 »

Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:36 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

"dan, the issue is not that I don't know about roman catholicism and the mass, the problem you have is that unlike you I know many of the teachings and rituals are not biblical and in fact many of the teachings and rituals of the roman catholic church are totally unbiblical!"

I guess you haven't read far enough in the Bible to have come to the part where Jesus' says the first Mass (called the Last Supper by Catholics) [keep reading and you will see it it Biblical] (Incidentally the Apostles and St Peter His first Bishops were present too so they would know how to say it) It is almost identical to the Mass today and afterwards Jesus gave them the authority "Do this in Remembrance of Me." And the priests have and peform this ritual daily (by the way you can also see it described in the first Christian prayerbook The Didache (if you ever get the desire for truth)

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Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:29 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Believer: " As for me not answering questions, I'm still waiting on a straight answer from you as to whether or not it is the priest who forgives sin or Christ through the priest who forgives sin. The only thing you need to say is either, it is the priest or it is Christ through the priest."

Not everyone is blessed with the same intellectual abilities so don't be embarrassed becaus you cannot understand something, even simple things like "in persona Christi," Mike85 the guy you lambast so much understands it perfectly after only one go around and you are still scratching your head after 6 go arounds; again don't feel bad - you can return to school and I recommedn you take Metaphysics, perhaps some Thomistic (no -forget this you'll never get these highly intellectual concepts of the "dumb ox." Hey maybe if I gave you and example - just maybe. Lets' try again from Sr Faustina's conversations with Jesus:

Deember 13th 1936 Confession Before Jesus

This afternoon Father Andrasz came into my room and sat down to hear my confession...I was delighted because I was extremely anxious to go to confession...as usual I unveiled my whold soul...Father gave a reply to each detail...For Penance he gave me the Litany of the Holy Name of Jesus...he arose to give me absolution. Suddenly his figure became diffused with a great light, and I saw that it was not Father A., but Jesus. His garments were bright as snow, and He disappeared immediately. At first I was a little uneasy, but after a while a kind of peace entered my soul, and I took note of the fact that Jesus heard my confession in the same way that confessors do."

Take solace that I don't do this for everyone, but I feel sad when someone has a hard time with concepts that are obvious to most people...I know at times you have uttered the dispair of the Pharisees "This is a hard saying." So I will pray that your faith grows stronger.

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danpat1_2000 »

Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:13 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

You need to stop smoking that stuff. Even your fellow Protestant states that the first Pope was Linus (he is only off by one Pope but you are off centuries) It does not surprise me your errors though since you are bothe rusing Sola Scriptura"

"Since Catholicism arose out of the collapse of the Roman Empire as Scripture and History attests then it cannot be the Church that Jesus founded, in fact, it is indeed the little horn spoken of by the prophet Daniel; can you prove otherwise?"

Funny how you guys get stuck on something, e.g., Believer and his "water baptism" and you and your ragtime band "chief little horn. Karen H..rney famed Psychiatrist states that these kinds of neurotic beliefs come from the neurosis "the idealization of one's intellect" and can be profound in the disturbed personality (could not use her whole name since the site thinks it is dirty but hint _ she was Freud's best pupil ...

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danpat1_2000 »

Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:03 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

"dan, like I told chris, there are many believers who can remember the exact date and time they became a Christian and for others they can't, but know they indeed have repented of their sin and turned to God by putting their complete faith/trust in the person and finished work of Christ alone. And in a worship service they go forward during the invitation and share what God has done in their life and follow the Lord in water baptism to make a public profession of their faith. Even though we may not be able to share a specific date as to when the roman catholic church was founded we can easily see by how it has adopted rituals and teachings that cannot be found in the Word of God that the roman catholic church is indeed a denomination and not truly the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, nor is any other denomination."

Just noticed this. I finally got my answer--you can't answer this; yet every other Christian Church can be named even with google (all except the Catholic Church--how odd? Talk about ducking a sucker punch. How mysterious that no one here can give the founder and date of the largest Christan Church in history which, accoding to Believer just happened to have come about one day but no one can remember Who (Christ) founded it?

Yah, right. This is why I was so shocked you are a pastor?

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danpat1_2000 »

Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

Believer "chas, when you show me in the Bible where I can't I'll be more than happy to show you where I can..."

Continuing a false tenet...the Bible didn't create the Church - the Church created the Bible, and nowhere does it say that the only truth in the world rests in the Bible so you are stuck in your own false logic...you also ignore that there was not Bible until after the 2nd century and it only then came together in "bits and pieces" while Christ's truths from 28 AD on were carried word of mouth in the "traditions of men."

This shows you where error leads you...confusion

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Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

"History not only recorded the rise of papal supremacy through the decree of Justinian in 533 which went into effect in 538 (beginning the 1260 prophecy) but it also recorded the temporal "head wound" to papal power. It was inflicted in 1798 (1260 years later) when General Berthier of France captured Pope Pius VI, who soon died in captivity in Valence, on August 29, 1799.

When the French general L. Duphot was killed in a riot in Rome the Directory ordered the occupation of the Papal States. On 15 Feb. 1798 General Louis Berthier entered Rome, proclaimed the Roman Republic and the deposition of Pius as head of state, and forced him to withdraw to Tuscany. For several months he lived at the charterhouse at Florence, cut off from almost all his advisers, but able to use the nuncio to Florence as secretary of state. The Directory planned to banish him to Sardinia, but his precarious health ruled that out. When war broke out afresh, fearful of attempts to rescue him, it had him conveyed from Florence (28 Mar. 1799) via Turin across the Alps to Briancon (30 Apr.) and then Valence (13 July). He died a prisoner in the citadel there, and was buried in the local cemetery; his body was then transferred to St. Peter's, in Rome, in Feb. 1802.

Napoleon had indeed closed down the Catholic Church and the Papacy, its power was thought to have been forever broken. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to the Pope and established it as a country in its own right in the Lateran Treaty. Since then, the Vatican has once again risen to power and has formal diplomatic relations with almost every country in the world; fulfilling these words . . . “his deadly wound was healed.”

This is really fiction. Your summary is it "A "deadly" wound cannot be healed," or as Jesus said to St Peter and his succesors "I will be with you until the end of days." And so far He has kept His promise and will be here in His Church forever.

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danpat1_2000 »

Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:49 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

Chas "We must say "Yes" to it like Mary said "Yes" to the Angel Gabriel. No cooperation, no salvation."

Yes. Protestants seem to have such a hard time with such an easy syllogism:

Free will: Mary "Yes" or Mary "No"
Her fiat ("Yes) Our salvation (Yes)
No Mary - No Jesus - No salvation

I don't know how anyone can be so ungrateful. Yet, the original reformers had it right; somehow SS must have take these "johnny come latelys" in this mode of "ungratefulness"

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danpat1_2000 »

Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:44 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

Believer: "chas, once again the men who laid hands on me were men who God called had ordained for His service as both Pastors and Deacons and eventually all of us can trace our Christian heritage to the Apostles..."

Believe this myth if you want but all on this site know that Protestantism began in 1517, some 1500 years too late to be "Apostolic." That's quite a leap of centuries.
Evangelicals began even later than this and from what I see on this site have rejected most of Jesus' teachings (and by the way--most of their Reformer's teachings).

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danpat1_2000 »

Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

"As always believer it is easy to take your arguments apart.."

Boy, isn't this the truth. He just wanders until he finds a verse that supposedly "supports him," not realizing that the Bible is a whole - the OT and the NT, and must be reas as a whole. He also has some kind of "fixation" on what he calls "water baptism" and he knows nothing about it. Nor does he realize that there are other kinds of Baptism. (not surprising since He has rejected all of Jesus' Sacraments anyway.)

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danpat1_2000 »

Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:36 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

"Both Pelagianism and semi-pelagianism are about works alone saving you. The Catholic Church rejected this since we are saved by Grace, through faith working in love."

This caught my eye since this is what "the girls" on this site keep saying, i.e., works alone saving you (somehow they think this is Catholic teaching; no wonder -- they got it from the heretic Pelagian.)