Here are some verses, one of which from Peter, which refer to the Rock: The only verses that matter is the verse (in John detailing the first meeting of Simon and Jesus when Simon was called CEPHAS (the ROCK), a change from Simon to Peter (both meaning ROCK in Aramaic the language which Jesus spoke to the Apostles) In the verse (on building his Church) Jesus merely called him by the name He ...more

Here are some verses, one of which from Peter, which refer to the Rock:

The only verses that matter is the verse (in John detailing the first meeting of Simon and Jesus when Simon was called CEPHAS (the ROCK), a change from Simon to Peter (both meaning ROCK in Aramaic the language which Jesus spoke to the Apostles)

In the verse (on building his Church) Jesus merely called him by the name He had given him--Peter (CEPHAS aka KEPHAS in Aramaic) back when Andrew had first introduced Jesus to him.less

Here are some verses, one of which from Peter, which refer to the Rock: The only verses that matter is the verse (in John detailing the first meeting of Simon and Jesus when Simon was called CEPHAS (the ROCK), a change from Simon to Peter (both meaning ROCK in Aramaic the language which Jesus spoke to the Apostles) In the verse (on building his Church) Jesus merely called him by the name He ...more

Here are some verses, one of which from Peter, which refer to the Rock:

The only verses that matter is the verse (in John detailing the first meeting of Simon and Jesus when Simon was called CEPHAS (the ROCK), a change from Simon to Peter (both meaning ROCK in Aramaic the language which Jesus spoke to the Apostles)

In the verse (on building his Church) Jesus merely called him by the name He had given him--Peter (CEPHAS aka KEPHAS in Aramaic) back when Andrew had first introduced Jesus to him.less

Again; your explanations do not prove the doctrine of infallibility; thanks for trying though. I was not trying to prove the doctrine of Infallibility...I already know what it is--you don't and that was the point. Catholics do not get stressed out over a simple doctrine that is quite logical--an all-knowing God would not establish a church run by humans (because they are ignorant and sinful) an...more

Again; your explanations do not prove the doctrine of infallibility; thanks for trying though.

I was not trying to prove the doctrine of Infallibility...I already know what it is--you don't and that was the point. Catholics do not get stressed out over a simple doctrine that is quite logical--an all-knowing God would not establish a church run by humans (because they are ignorant and sinful) and leave them run off on their own - proof is all the the herestical denominations that are not disintegrating before our eyes--that is because Protestant organizations have NO ANCHOR (like the Bishop of Rome that Christ left us)-every Protestant is right even if they contradict each other since they call say what they want about each and every scriptural passage...they have never learned what our Rabbi's have learned centuries back and that is - any passage can have up to 9+ meanings and they are smart enough to know this. And Catholics know this too and that is why we have the ROCK of truth.less

PART I "Jesus being the Christ is what the Church is based on...not Peter. After all, why did Peter only write one book and Paul wrote so many if Peter was the foundation of the Church?" Ah, I though numbers and volumn don't count. And it does: Matt. to Rev. - Peter is mentioned 155 times and ALL THE REST OF THE apostles combined are only mentioned 130 times. Peter is also ALWAYS LISTED FIR...more

PART I
"Jesus being the Christ is what the Church is based on...not Peter. After all, why did Peter only write one book and Paul wrote so many if Peter was the foundation of the Church?"

Ah, I though numbers and volumn don't count. And it does:

Matt. to Rev. - Peter is mentioned 155 times and ALL THE REST OF THE apostles combined are only mentioned 130 times. Peter is also ALWAYS LISTED FIRST except in 1 Cor. 3:22 and Gal. 2:9 (which are obvious exceptions to the rule).

Matt. 10:2; Mark 1:36; 3:16; Luke 6:14-16; Acts 1:3; 2:37; 5:29 - these are some of many examples where Peter is mentioned first among the apostles.

Matt. 14:28-29 - only Peter has the faith to walk on water. No other man in Scripture is said to have the faith to walk on water. This faith ultimately did not fail.

Matt. 16:16, Mark 8:29; John 6:69 - Peter is first among the apostles to confess the divinity of Christ.

Matt. 16:17 - Peter alone is told he has received divine knowledge by a special revelation from God the Father.

Matt. 16:18 - Jesus builds the Church only on Peter, the rock, with the other apostles as the foundation and Jesus as the Head. jESUS CHANGED PETER'S NAME TO CEPHAS IN THEIR FIRST MEETING--SIMON TO PETER (Both the Aramaic and name Peter mean ROCK) John 42 Jesus would hardly call Himself CEPHAS (ROCK) the same name He had given Peter, so your sola scriptura falls apart weakly here-it makes not sense at all.less

PART II Matt. 16:19 - only Peter receives the keys, which represent authority over the Church and facilitate dynastic succession to his authority. Matt. 17:24-25 - the tax collector approaches Peter for Jesus' tax. Peter is the spokesman for Jesus. He is the Vicar of Christ. Matt. 17:26-27 - Jesus pays the half-shekel tax with one shekel, for both Jesus and Peter. Peter is Christ's repres...more

PART II
Matt. 16:19 - only Peter receives the keys, which represent authority over the Church and facilitate dynastic succession to his authority.

Matt. 17:24-25 - the tax collector approaches Peter for Jesus' tax. Peter is the spokesman for Jesus. He is the Vicar of Christ.

Matt. 17:26-27 - Jesus pays the half-shekel tax with one shekel, for both Jesus and Peter. Peter is Christ's representative on earth.

Matt. 18:21 - in the presence of the disciples, Peter asks Jesus about the rule of forgiveness. One of many examples where Peter takes a leadership role among the apostles in understanding Jesus' teachings.

Matt. 19:27 - Peter speaks on behalf of the apostles by telling Jesus that they have left everything to follow Him.

Mark 10:28 - here also, Peter speaks on behalf of the disciples by declaring that they have left everything to follow Him.

Mark 11:21 - Peter speaks on behalf of the disciples in remembering Jesus' curse on the fig tree.

Mark 14:37 - at Gethsemane, Jesus asks Peter, and no one else, why he was asleep. Peter is accountable to Jesus for his actions on behalf of the apostles because he has been appointed by Jesus as their leader.less

PART III Mark 16:7 - Peter is specified by an angel as the leader of the apostles as the angel confirms the resurrection of Christ. Luke 5:3 – Jesus teaches from Peter’s boat which is metaphor for the Church. Jesus guides Peter and the Church into all truth. Luke 5:4,10 - Jesus instructs Peter to let down the nets for a catch, and the miraculous catch follows. Peter, the Pope, is the ...more

PART III
Mark 16:7 - Peter is specified by an angel as the leader of the apostles as the angel confirms the resurrection of Christ.

Luke 5:3 – Jesus teaches from Peter’s boat which is metaphor for the Church. Jesus guides Peter and the Church into all truth.

Luke 5:4,10 - Jesus instructs Peter to let down the nets for a catch, and the miraculous catch follows. Peter, the Pope, is the "fisher of men."

Luke 7:40-50- Jesus addresses Peter regarding the rule of forgiveness and Peter answers on behalf of the disciples. Jesus also singles Peter out and judges his conduct vis-à-vis the conduct of the woman who anointed Him.

Luke 8:45 - when Jesus asked who touched His garment, it is Peter who answers on behalf of the disciples.

Luke 8:51; 9:28; 22:8; Acts 1:13; 3:1,3,11; 4:13,19; 8:14 - Peter is always mentioned before John, the disciple whom Jesus loved.

Luke 9:28;33 - Peter is mentioned first as going to mountain of transfiguration and the only one to speak at the transfiguration.

Luke 12:41 - Peter seeks clarification of a parable on behalf on the disciples. This is part of Peter's formation as the chief shepherd of the flock after Jesus ascended into heaven.

Luke 22:31-32 - Jesus prays for Peter alone, that his faith may not fail, and charges him to strengthen the rest of the apostles.

Luke 24:12, John 20:4-6 - John arrived at the tomb first but stopped and waited for Peter. Peter then arrived and entered the tomb first.

Luke 24:34 - the two disciples distinguish Peter even though they both had seen the risen Jesus the previous hour. See Luke 24:33.less

PART IV John 6:68 - after the disciples leave, Peter is the first to speak and confess his belief in Christ after the Eucharistic discourse. John 13:6-9 - Peter speaks out to the Lord in front of the apostles concerning the washing of feet. John 13:36; 21:18 - Jesus predicts Peter's death. Peter was martyred at Rome in 67 A.D. Several hundred years of papal successors were also martyred. ...more

PART IV
John 6:68 - after the disciples leave, Peter is the first to speak and confess his belief in Christ after the Eucharistic discourse.

John 13:6-9 - Peter speaks out to the Lord in front of the apostles concerning the washing of feet.

John 13:36; 21:18 - Jesus predicts Peter's death. Peter was martyred at Rome in 67 A.D. Several hundred years of papal successors were also martyred.

John 21:2-3,11 - Peter leads the fishing and his net does not break. The boat (the "barque of Peter") is a metaphor for the Church.

John 21:7 - only Peter got out of the boat and ran to the shore to meet Jesus. Peter is the earthly shepherd leading us to God.

John 21:15 - in front of the apostles, Jesus asks Peter if he loves Jesus "more than these," which refers to the other apostles. Peter is the head of the apostolic see.

John 21:15-17 - Jesus charges Peter to "feed my lambs," "tend my sheep," "feed my sheep." Sheep means all people, even the apostles.

Acts 1:13 - Peter is first when entering upper room after our Lord's ascension. The first Eucharist and Pentecost were given in this room.

Acts 1:15 - Peter initiates the selection of a successor to Judas right after Jesus ascended into heaven, and no one questions him. Further, if the Church needed a successor to Judas, wouldn't it need one to Peter? Of course.less

PART V Acts 2:14 - Peter is first to speak for the apostles after the Holy Spirit descended upon them at Pentecost. Peter is the first to preach the Gospel. Acts 2:38 - Peter gives first preaching in the early Church on repentance and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. Acts 3:1,3,4 - Peter is mentioned first as going to the Temple to pray. Acts 3:6-7 - Peter works the first healin...more

PART V

Acts 2:14 - Peter is first to speak for the apostles after the Holy Spirit descended upon them at Pentecost. Peter is the first to preach the Gospel.

Acts 2:38 - Peter gives first preaching in the early Church on repentance and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.

Acts 3:1,3,4 - Peter is mentioned first as going to the Temple to pray.

Acts 3:6-7 - Peter works the first healing of the apostles.

Acts 3:12-26, 4:8-12 - Peter teaches the early Church the healing through Jesus and that there is no salvation other than Christ.

Acts 5:3 - Peter declares the first anathema of Ananias and Sapphira which is ratified by God, and brings about their death. Peter exercises his binding authority.

Acts 5:15 - Peter's shadow has healing power. No other apostle is said to have this power.

Acts 8:14 - Peter is mentioned first in conferring the sacrament of confirmation.

Acts 8:20-23 - Peter casts judgment on Simon's quest for gaining authority through the laying on of hands. Peter exercises his binding and loosing authority.

Acts 9:32-34 - Peter is mentioned first among the apostles and works the healing of Aeneas.

Acts 9:38-40 - Peter is mentioned first among the apostles and raises Tabitha from the dead.

Acts 10:5 - Cornelius is told by an angel to call upon Peter. Angels are messengers of God. Peter was granted this divine vision.

Acts 10:34-48, 11:1-18 - Peter is first to teach about salvation for all (Jews and Gentiles).less

PART I of NUMBERS don't Count "Jesus being the Christ is what the Church is based on...not Peter. After all, why did Peter only write one book and Paul wrote so many if Peter was the foundation of the Church?" PART VI Acts 12:5 - this verse implies that the "whole Church" offered "earnest prayers" for Peter, their leader, during his imprisonment. Acts 12:6-11 - Peter is freed from jail by...more

PART I of NUMBERS don't Count
"Jesus being the Christ is what the Church is based on...not Peter. After all, why did Peter only write one book and Paul wrote so many if Peter was the foundation of the Church?"

PART VI
Acts 12:5 - this verse implies that the "whole Church" offered "earnest prayers" for Peter, their leader, during his imprisonment.

Acts 12:6-11 - Peter is freed from jail by an angel. He is the first object of divine intervention in the early Church.

Acts 15:7-12 - Peter resolves the first doctrinal issue on circumcision at the Church's first council at Jerusalem, and no one questions him. After Peter the Papa spoke, all were kept silent.

Acts 15:12 - only after Peter (the Pope) speaks do Paul and Barnabas (bishops) speak in support of Peter's definitive teaching.

Acts 15:13-14 - then James speaks to further acknowledge Peter's definitive teaching. "Simeon (Peter) has related how God first visited..."

Rom. 15:20 - Paul says he doesn't want to build on "another man's foundation" referring to Peter, who built the Church in Rome.

1 Cor. 9:5 – Peter is distinguished from the rest of the apostles and brethren of the Lord.

1 Cor. 15:4-8 - Paul distinguishes Jesus' post-resurrection appearances to Peter from those of the other apostles. Christ appeared “to Cephas, then to the twelve.”

Gal.1:18 - Paul spends fifteen days with Peter privately before beginning his ministry, even after Christ's Revelation to Paul.

1 Peter 5:1 - Peter acts as the chief bishop by "exhorting" all the other bishops and elders of the Church.

1 Peter 5:13 - Some Protestants argue against the Papacy by trying to prove Peter was never in Rome. First, this argument is irrelevant to whether Jesus instituted the Papacy. Secondly, this verse demonstrates that Peter was in fact in Rome. Peter writes from "Babylon" which was a code name for Rome during these days of persecution. See, for example, Rev. 14:8, 16:19, 17:5, 18:2,10,21, which show that "Babylon" meant Rome. Rome was the "great city" of the New Testament period. Because Rome during this age was considered the center of the world, the Lord wanted His Church to be established in Rome.

2 Peter 1:14 - Peter writes about Jesus' prediction of Peter's death, embracing the eventual martyrdom that he would suffer.

2 Peter 3:16 - Peter is making a judgment on the proper interpretation of Paul's letters. Peter is the chief shepherd of the flock.

Matt. 23:11; Mark 9:35; 10:44 - yet Peter, as the first, humbled himself to be the last and servant of all servants.less

'It says "will not overpower it" and not "will not overpower you". Jesus was not refering to Peter with this statement. If He was He would have used the word "you". Another misinterpretaion due to Sola Scriptura. No He was not referring to Peter - He was referring to His Church which He just founded on St. Peter.

Yes, I have seen on this web site the uninfrormed that said Santa is secular. Not on your life and thank you Pastor for intelliglence research. St Nicholas was a wonderul role model in a Saint as are all Saints. The same people that think no truth outside of the Bible. St Nick, of course was a true human being and springs from Holy Tradtion which existed long before the Bible.

Cheisa- Funny I was waiting for the Protestant argument - "Call no man father and here I find it. You are correct Cheisa - these are the same people who use Sola Scriptura and yet call their own Dad, father. Nothing is wrong with Scripture only their misinterpretation of it and it goes on and on and on... (all because of a man-made device of Martin Luther.

Ah loves it. Bible thrusting just like mah Baptist friend tol me.

"You said, “(1) that there was no authentic Christianity prior to 1517 A.D”….This is an ironic statement coming from those who are unable to trace their unbiblical traditions back to the apostles…" You need to get your nose out of the Bible and read some ancillary history. You are like a person who does not read about WWII and then says it does not exist. There are hundreds of works by ...more

"You said, “(1) that there was no authentic Christianity prior to 1517 A.D”….This is an ironic statement coming from those who are unable to trace their unbiblical traditions back to the apostles…"

You need to get your nose out of the Bible and read some ancillary history. You are like a person who does not read about WWII and then says it does not exist. There are hundreds of works by the early Church Fathers - you can walk through the catacombs and see the drawings on lthe walls, the prayers, Our Lady, etc. Prayers to the dead (purgatory) and much more. But again being too afraid to learn history from other than the Bible is an ostrich who cannot discern anything around him because he will not seek truth.
in fact most of the Evangelicals coming into Christ's Church today did exactly that and wow they say their eyes were really opened - their beliefs match little of what the early Christian's believed.less

"ihs, the Word of God is authoritative because it is God's Word and God says it is!!!" God does not make mistakes and he never said in the Our Father "For thiine is the kingdom and the power and the glory." Luther put it there just like Sola Scripture. In fact I am mused there is an honest pastor up in Canada (protestant) who keeps appealing to Protestants to please admit that the Bible has mis...more

"ihs, the Word of God is authoritative because it is God's Word and God says it is!!!"

God does not make mistakes and he never said in the Our Father "For thiine is the kingdom and the power and the glory." Luther put it there just like Sola Scripture. In fact I am mused there is an honest pastor up in Canada (protestant) who keeps appealing to Protestants to please admit that the Bible has mistakes and they will not because it shakes their faith. Not true with Catholics because they realize there are errors on the Bible since it was written in a joint effort of God and man (who can err).less

Amusing: " How about purgatory,? (Believer) It is in the Bible and always has been - where do you think Hannakkuh (practiced for 2000 years) comes from - ask a Jew - the Maccabee brothers which is found in Tobit. Sure if you take a book out and say Gee. Where did purgatory go? But there are other citations also which I see zim state. The Septuagint (oldest Greek translation of the Bible) about 200...more

Amusing: " How about purgatory,? (Believer) It is in the Bible and always has been - where do you think Hannakkuh (practiced for 2000 years) comes from - ask a Jew - the Maccabee brothers which is found in Tobit. Sure if you take a book out and say Gee. Where did purgatory go? But there are other citations also which I see zim state. The Septuagint (oldest Greek translation of the Bible) about 2000 years before Protestantism does have Tobit in it and in fact is my favorite chapter.less

And many of the extra-biblical teachings and traditions of the roman catholic church do just that. And one does not need a ... So what of Luther's "extra-biblical man made "Sola Scripturing 'ing and Sola Fides" ing both of appeared first in the 16th century - no mention of this doctrine by anyone not even the early Church Fathers of that nonsense

Too many places in scripture does Paul say Keep the Traditions as I have handed on to you by oral or by letter and shun those not acting according to TRADITION. If this Tradition was man-made it would not bear such weight, especially coming from Paul so this Tradition is Sacred because it comes from GOD. And Paul says also hold fast to your traditions Sounds hard enough for me.

Holy Tradition was and is first (not any Sola Scriptura) as attested to by St. John: Darshan: " The sole sufficiency of Holy Scripture is proclaimed in the Prologue to John's Gospel, its pendant's being found expressly in Revelation ch. 1" Actually, John says just the opposite: 21:24 "Jesus did many other things. If they were all written in books, I don't suppose there would be room enou...more

Holy Tradition was and is first (not any Sola Scriptura) as attested to by St. John:

Darshan: "
The sole sufficiency of Holy Scripture is proclaimed in the Prologue to John's Gospel, its pendant's being found expressly in Revelation ch. 1"

Actually, John says just the opposite:

21:24 "Jesus did many other things. If they were all written in books, I don't suppose there would be room enough in the whole world for all the books."

So logical.

And none of you ever answer with not even one book of Scripture until 49 AD Christians could not have survived for the 20 years after Christ died. Yet they did - how - by passing the Lord's teaching down by word of mouth and other documents, Shepard of Hermas and Didache. (all oral and written tradition) You also fail to mention that most people could not read for centuries after Christ for they were even up to the 14th century - your errors are caused by comparing them with today's education level. Most were slaves and farmers and land dwellers.less

Believer: (notice that he did not give you the passage where this is said) "he Bible does indeed support the teaching of Sola Scriptura with regards to the Word of God being the final authority and as I said if any teaching or tradition contradicts, violate." MSN - curious - I did not know you were now Catholic. May I ask "were you an Evangelical before (not really sure what that is since I do ...more

Believer: (notice that he did not give you the passage where this is said) "he Bible does indeed support the teaching of Sola Scriptura with regards to the Word of God being the final authority and as I said if any teaching or tradition contradicts, violate."

MSN - curious - I did not know you were now Catholic. May I ask "were you an Evangelical before (not really sure what that is since I do not do what Evangelicals do--always claiming what Catholic's believe and they are way off the mark; somehow being fixated on water baptism or Infallibility-these are no-brainers to me) I'm curious because
I am impressed at the high quality of the new converts from Protestism and Evengelicals
I just read this: "but scholars and leaders who likely wouldn’t have met in the first place are exchanging ideas. For instance, Redeemer recently held a reception for Steubenville’s Dr. Scott Hahn and his wife Kimberly. Trinity’s New Testament Professor Craig Evans met with the Hahns, and they struck up an instant friendship.

Some Trinity students are “going Roman”: The Protestants at TWU aren’t the only group to whom the adjective evangelical could be applied. A few TWU students have converted to Catholicism under the influence and sponsorship of RPC students, and, says Jen Hamel, “There are people I know who are considering the Catholic Church.”

Tradition is making a comeback: The presence of RPC and Catholic students on campus is having all sorts of undreamt-of effects in the tradition department. TWU professors are freer to discuss the use of tradition in the compilation and interpretation of the Bible,
I love Scott Hahn when I hear him speak. Not sure what TWU is? (Hard to believe he was so anti-Catholic at the start)less