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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)
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Bob, one of my scientific and spiritual mentors is Dr. Kurt Wise, who studied under Dr. Stephen J. Gould at Harvard. You can stick your head in the sand and believe that Christians do not understand science, but your comments prove that you do not. Evolutionists are using forensic science, which is not true science. They piece together various pieces of data and try to make a picture that seems reasonable. Unfortunately, the picture they make adheres more closely to their materialistic worldview than it does the truth. They have not and cannot duplicate evolution in a controlled setting and submit the findings to peers, which is true science. If anything, materialistic scientists should be called creationists because they're creating myths out of thin air. Ad hoc arguments do not become you.
I made no false claims about science. If you aren't familiar with controlled environments, peer reviews, and double-blind studies, try reading a book about science. Again, ad hoc argument.
FYI, your last statement is absolutely unbelievable. "That's a good reason to conclude there is not any non-material world. The non-material world you believe in is just a man-made fantasy."
So, using my analogy, if I don't have a thermometer to measure the temperature, there isn't any? You've just shown that you have no desire to hold a rational discussion. You are not addressing my points, just throwing out blanket ad hoc statements. Speaking of addressing points...I noticed you never answered my question: What makes you think you were ever a Christian in the first place?
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"People should question everything and trust nobody. That's how science works. Whenever a scientific discovery is made, other scientists immediately try to disprove it, and they don't give up trying to disprove it until it's obviously a fact. Only then, after numerous tests, and when many scientists get the same results again and again, is an idea accepted as fact. Even then, if new evidence becomes available that disproves an accepted fact, that fact is immediately thrown out. That's called progress. That's how science works and that's how religion should work."
Then why do so many scientists believe in macro-evolution, which has yet to replicated in a controlled environment and be subjected to any peer-reviewed, double-blind studies?
"Nobody should trust any book or any person. Especially anything as improbable as a supernatural event should never be trusted unless the evidence for it is overwhelming and powerful."
Can I rightly assume that the "evidence" to which you refer must stand up to scientific investigation, which by definition disregards the supernatural? That's like saying it isn't cold out today, because my yardstick doesn't show that it's cold. You cannot use that which is designed to reveal facts of the material world to reveal anything about the non-material world.
The non-material can only be revealed using non-material resources. That's why the Holy Spirit confirms with my spirit that God is real. So Bob, what makes you think you were ever a Christian? I'm also curious why you insist upon using science as the tool by which everything is shown to exist or not exist when science cannot reveal so much of what we know to be true such as love, hope, morality, values, etc.?
" Wishing it was true does not make it true." (See comment regarding scientists and evolution.)
The Republican party has done little to promote family values, life, marriage, etc. They're too afraid of losing elections to take a stand. If they weren't, they would have removed activist jurists from the bench when they were in power. Congress has that power, but they refused to use it.
I have nothing against Mike Huckabee except that he's a Republican, which means Republican, big-business money will guide his decisions if he wants to be elected. It's time for a change. If conservatives want a truly conservative party to rally behind, here's your party. I quote from the platform preamble to the Constitution Party:
"The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States."
http://www.constitutionparty.com
torus, I was commenting on the statement by KenL. I never once said there was no truth in other texts. There obviously is as millions of people would not follow a belief entirely void of truth. Yet that is how Satan works. He mixes truth with lies to deceive millions, or even one. Please take the time to read my comments more carefully next time and consider what I have said. Have a nice day today too and don't forget to make the best of it.
KenL said, "Your only problem seems to be that we won't believe your stories based on a book written by men well after the supposed events as facts when they contradict what we see, test and know to be true."
Name one event in the Bible that has been tested and found to be false. The biological, psychological, social, meteorological, and axiological, etal, claims of the Bible are more congruent with what we know to be than any other worldview.
"Being good" is relative, as you should well know. Without an external, absolute standard, good is in the mind of the doer. Hitler thought he was doing good.
Regarding prison populations, there's no correlation between an inmate's official religious preference and his ability or desire to follow rules. I've taught in an Illinois state penitentiary. Religious preference in prisons are claimed to align with gang meetings. For most, worship services are the only opportunity for gang members to meet and strategize.
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"The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States." - Preamble to the Constitution Party's platform.
http://www.constitutionparty.com
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Demanding that one use science to determine whether God exists or not is like asking me to use a measuring to determine whether I love my wife or not. We might also say that humanists want to play a game a baseball with the Christians while the Christians are trying to play basketball, but the rules are that Christians have to use a baseball bat to shoot the ball. The rules of the game are not valid.
Science is a process devised by man to learn about the physical world. God is not of this physical world, therefore you cannot use science to know anything about Him, period. All science can do is reveal evidence that might support the presupposition that God exists, but it can do nothing to prove He is real.
Humanists have many unprovable presuppositions by which they determine what is true. So do Christians. All worldviews use unprovable presuppositions that determine starting points from which knowledge and truth are determined. Christians can no more prove God exists than humanists can prove He doesn't. The only tools available that the humanist is willing to accept as valid are science and reason, neither of which can be used to prove God's existence. Aside from being an intellectual exercise, the efforts are pointless.
I know God exists. I'll never be able to prove it because the evidence is internal. Hi s Spirit has confirmed with my spirit that He is. No humanist will ever be able to prove to me that he/she loves his/her spouse or children. Any effort made to that end can be summarized by saying, "You're just going through the motions," or "You just think you love your spouse and children." You've not proven a thing.
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I believe the issue here is not about compromising what we say but how we say it. "A gentle answer turns away wrath,But a harsh word stirs up anger." ~Proverbs 15:1
Christians spend too much time rebuking non-believers for their sin, when non-believers are simply doing what they do naturally, sin. We have deservedly earned the reputation for having a "holier than thou" attitude. Yes, Jesus did delineate sin from righteousness, but He didn't rebuke the unGodly for their sin. He rebuked the "religious" for their attitude. We speak the truth of Scripture without compromise, but we don't try to argue them into submission. We let the truth stand.
If we want to reach the lost, we must develop a relationship with them. This means listening to them and finding common goals with them and agreeing to disagree when we must for the sake of truth. We keep the lines of communication open while we pray for them, allowing the Holy Spirit to convict them of their sin, so that when that time comes, they will come to us for the answers.
A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. The Constitution Party is the only party seeking the Lord. I quote from the preamble to their platform:
"The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States."
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php
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Voters might as well face the facts, as the Biblical worldview becomes less and less prevalent in our society and even in our churches, Republican presidential candidates will be less likely to take a stand for Biblical principles. Republicans aren't even conservative any more, much less Biblical. Look at their behavior.
The Democrat Obama is playing the religion card all across America, and quite successfully even to the "Christians," because "Christians" don't know what a Biblical worldview is.
The only conservative party in America is the Constitution Party. Unfortunately most Christians, at those who bother to vote, will continue to vote for the lesser of two evils.
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I know this sounds simplistic, but ultimately it is our choice whether we live in obedience to God's Word or in disobedience. We choose moment by moment to rebuke the vain philosophies of our age which distract us from the truth and to rebuke the destructive thoughts the enemy uses to dissuade us from being Godly men. We choose moment by moment to give up ourselves for our wives as Christ gave Himself up for the church. Events like these are great, but the real battle is in our minds, and we choose whether we, and our families, win or lose.
One thing I believe the Christians should understand is this...
Christianity is the only major worldview that is not founded upon evolution. Humanism of course requires evolution. Even cosmic humanism/new age/pantheism insists upon man's evolving into god. I believe this issue has put Christians against the world in a sense because many fight so adamantly against evolution in the public school system, which, as we all should know, is where the next generation's leaders' worldview is being formulated.
As for Rick Warren, I believe he believes he's doing the right thing.
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To what consequences are you referring? You are appealing to a standard without support. So what if people are abused when they are not respected. Show me your objective standard that insists humans should be treated with dignity and respect. As has been pointed out, according to Humanism, we are nothing more than another branch in the evolutionary tree, oops, I forgot, the root to the evolutionary tree died with punctuated equilibrium.
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Carl Sagan was looking to a race of extraterrestrials for the meaning of life. What evidence did he have to support his hypothesis that they even existed much less that they would know and share the meaning of life with humans?
The truth of Christianity is self-evident for all who will believe. Have you truly investigated the validity of the Christian faith or do you just presuppose it an invalid worldview sir?
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