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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)
I'm looking foward to this film coming out.
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rydak, you need some one to get under your skin.
Prophet,
true, true, but then I'm not trying to disqualify him in my comment. I'm merely noting the hypocrisy.
believer,
I to abstained till I was married, and it's what I recommend to everyone. But here you are demanding that teens practice perfect abstinence, and yet you didn't abstain from sex yourself. Hmph... I hope you at least wore a condom.
Prophet,
You said, "Anyone who believes that abstinence is not realistic shows extreme lack of self control and is nothing different than a monkey."
What do you think a teenager is - a walking ball of self-control? That's the problem - they lack self-control. If they all had self-control you'd be right, there would be no teen pregnancies, no teen abortions, no need for condoms, abstinence would be easy. But the reality is the teens are monkeys, horny monkeys!
believer,
Well, it's not a "cute little dodge", and I can see that you are purposefully trying to 'not get it' (with your ridiculous question "so please share how you would teach kids how to safely abuse drugs since we know many if not most of them will?"). Why you want to promote a policy that de facto promotes teen pregnancy, and in turn teen abortions, is beyond me.
Wilderness1,
You quote, "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly" (2Pe 2:6.)
We've been waiting for Him to do this to Massachusetts for how long now? It's beginning to sound a little hollow.
believer,
Ahh, not driving under the influence is, for a teenager, practicing safe substance abuse. When I tell a teenager that "if/when you drink, don't drive!" that is telling them how to practice safe substance abuse. That's because drinking and driving is a bad mix, and they need to know that, just like sex without a condom is a bad mix.
Anyway... if you want to continue believing in a pipe dream, I'll just let reality prove you wrong.
believer, yes, I would use a similar logic. For example, I tell teens "don't drink, you're under 21, it's against the law. But if you do drink, DON'T DRIVE!" That's because it could kill them and others if (and, for many of them, when) they do drink. So, telling them not to drive while drunk might save some peoples lives.
Same with sex. I tell teens "don't have sex, not a good idea (for a whole host of reasons). But if you do have sex, WEAR A CONDOM!" It might save some people their lives.
Chrysanthemum, concerning Romans 6: first, not all teenagers are Christians, so expecting abstinence without the power of the Holy Spirit to back them up is... time to pass out condoms; second, even Christian teenagers with the Holy Spirit find it difficult to be perfect.
Now I do know abstinence is possible, after all I abstained from sex till I got married at 33, but I know this is not a reality for most. So, if you want to prevent unwanted teen pregnancies (and the abortions that go along with them) teens need access to condoms, and know how to use them.
Well, if Romans 3:23 is completely false, then, yes, abstinence is realistic. If Romans 3:23 is entirely true, then, well... you had better use a condom.
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forsaltnlight mentions, "This incident clearly shows gun laws will not prevent the criminal for carrying out their evil deeds but only handicaps the law bidding citizen and prevent them from protecting the innocent."
So, you think the parishioners should be aloud to carry arms in church to "protect the innocent". I could see how armed parishioners might have changed the above story. Imagine with me... the minister has begun stumbling down the aisle. The assailant's gun has jammed. And as he pulls out the knife to cut his own throat, three armed parishioners stand up, pull out their pistols, one of them says in a calm, but authoritative voice, "In the name of the Lord, I smite thee", and the three gun him down. Unfortunately, one of the rounds fired ricochets off the cross set atop the flagpole carrying the American flag behind where the minister stood... this lodges itself in the cranium of a three year old girl sitting in the pews, she dies instantly. Her father sitting next to her is also an armed parishioner. He stands, and in a blind rage of righteous indignation over the bloody mess that was once his daughter, begins to unload into the three gunmen at the front of the church. They respond in kind, thinking him another crazed assailant like the first. Unarmed parishioners standing behind the distraught father are gunned down in the ensuing melee and confusion. One of the associate pastors down the hall on the other side of the building, upon hearing shots fired and the sounds of an ongoing gun battle, grabs his AK-47 assault rifle and entering the lobby was immediately taken out by several terrified armed parishioners. It was later found that he was hit by over 38 rounds, while not having fired off a single round himself.
Okay, maybe that's over doing it a bit, but my point is "protecting" innocent people with guns can lead to some very unintended consequences, that in a church would be more than a bit out of place.
Gnosticgirl, I agree with you, but many of the posters below want a theocratic state, where their religious ideology is law. And I notice that at least one of them appears to be calling for violence to attain that theocracy, all in Jesus' name of course.
abhodim, you asked, "Do you sense that two minorities have been slugging it out (politically speaking) in California, and the state has the uncomfortable position of deciding which minority will be curbed?"
No, actually, I don't. I think Christians need to come to grips with the fact that Christendom is over. We need to understand that many people are more than a bit fed up with our idea that we somehow have a divine right to politically dominate over them, and that they need to submit to our righteous authority.
believer, I would contend that Prop 8 is a gross national sin on the part of the Christian community, because we are trying to create a superficial righteousness without any actual repentance. Where are all the homosexuals coming to Christ because of Prop 8? Where are the transformed lives of Prop 8? Honestly, where's the change? When Christ comes are we going to show him a really cool clause on marriage in the California constitution to show him how righteous we are. Christ might ask, "So, did that help any of them repent of sin? Because you prevented them from getting married, did they repent of their sexual immorality?... No?"
forsaltnlight, you asked, "When people who call themselves Christians does not oppose ungodliness in every power that God has given them, voting, speaking, opposing, don't you think this sends a confusing message to the world on where the church stands?
No.
John 6:15 - "Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself."
Jesus could have used the power of the state, its military, its police, its rule of law, to oppose and suppress sin. But he didn't. I wonder why? Because as the body of Christ apparently we have no problem going where He never went.
abhodim, you have the right speak your religious convictions, no one is saying you can't (at least not yet, the majority might legislate your silence later if you're successful at taking down minority rights). But I have to ask are you really being successful in convincing people of their sin through passing legislation? Is that how Jesus showed sinners the fullness of the Father... by passing legislation and using the rule of law to make them submit? It's not, and it hasn't. Prop 8 has done nothing to draw people closer to Christ.
forsaltnlight, I'm not interested in seeing a Christian crushed, but I'm also not interested in so-called Christian political domination, where we try to enforce our Christianity on non-Christians through legislation and rule of law. If we have to pass legislation to enforce our point of view on others who disagree with us, then we have failed as Christians.
rolln4him, I wasn't speaking against the democratic process. But you're equating a 'tyranny of the majority' with a healthy functioning democracy, and they are not the same. Let me remind you, rolln4him, that if you are on the narrow road of Christ, that you too are a minority, and if the majority wants to they can crush you and you won't be able to say 'no'.
I find it interesting that Lynn Wardle, no doubt a Mormon, seeing that she's a BYU professor, would ask "Do you defer to the political establishment, which in this case supports same-sex marriage and wants Prop. 8 undone, or to California's history of being probably the most populist state in America?" Considering that it is not without precedent for a populist state to ban a Mormon minority. Think of it, what after all is stopping some guy in San Francisco from putting on the ballot a constitutional ban on Mormons in California, what does he need? 10,000 signatures, that's easy, considering the animosity toward the LDS church's support of Prop. 8. The Mormon minority would have an up hill battle against the homosexual community who would like very much to punish them, a religious community that believes they're a mind control cult, and the indifference of those who couldn't care less about it to bother voting.
If the court upholds Prop. 8, there really isn't anything stopping someone from organizing and trying to take other minorities rights away.
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