Prop. 8 Opponents Mull 2010 Campaign

doreenied »

Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:02 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

-- "You want to try reading the post again? These are not MY words."

How about we at least be honest, Wowie. When you repeat that false information you are perpetuating it. You can't do that, and then turn around and absolve yourself of any guilt. Grow up.

Obama Pledges to Ally with Gays for More 'Progress'

doreenied »

Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:42 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I see Rolln4hm, straight people are bad but gay people will always be worse...because you said so.

That's genius. Whatever you say, oh smart one.

Obama Pledges to Ally with Gays for More 'Progress'

doreenied »

Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:21 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

HyperionOverseer, since you know all there is to know about gays, I assume you are gay?

If not I really don't see what your credential is to speak for them. Must be an ego problem or your part. Or maybe a god complex. Get some help.

Long live PRESIDENT OBAMA!!

Obama Pledges to Ally with Gays for More 'Progress'

doreenied »

Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:18 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Flagged as inappropriate. show I live in a city with titty bars, strip clubs, a "swingers" sex club, and prostitutes who advertise in the paper, all heterosexual. My local cable company has several straight sex channels. The newsstand at the corner carries Playboy, Penthouse, and Hustler. I see children walking by it all the time. And let's not even get started on Las Vegas. I guess heterosexuals are nothing but perverted, sick, agenda driven terrorist sinners flaunting their sins for the world to see. You heterosexuals should be ashamed of yourselves. Nice try diverting attention from your own perversions and sex-obsessed shortcomings by inciting more hate toward gays. Very Christian of you. Congratulations on your fine morals. hide

Obama Pledges to Ally with Gays for More 'Progress'

doreenied »

Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:35 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 4

Thank God for President Obama.

This article says conservative groups believe a fulfillment of Obama's agenda (as it relates to LGBT people) would "usher in an era of intolerance toward Christians." Does anyone but me see how ridiculous that statement is?

If "group A" stubbornly insists they don't like "group B" and fights to make life more difficult for group B, and a president stands up for group B under basic equality beliefs, how is that mean to group A? After all, group A are the ones who started it in the first place.

That's like saying racial equality laws in the 60s ushered in an era of intolerance toward the KKK. Well of course they did! But if the KKK would stop being intolerant in the first place....

Thousands of NY Christians Protest Gay Marriage

doreenied »

Thu May 21, 2009 7:16 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

A person can change their behaviors, the way they view things, their mindset, their beliefs, stuff like that. But no person can change their sexual orientation, any more than they can change the color of their eyes.

You can put in fake contacts and pretend, but if you were born with blue eyes you will always have blue eyes no matter what you "believe" about your eye color or who you fool with fake ones.

Vt. Legislature Overrides Veto; Legalizes Gay Marriage

doreenied »

Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

believer, you wrote:
"my personal belief is that for a person to be genuinely homosexual they have come to believe that the only way they can achieve genuine sexual gratification is with a person of the same sex, be it physically, mentally, and/or emotionally."
____________

Yes, and the only way a person "comes to believe" that is by facing the truth. If the only people one is ever attracted to on a romantic, sexual, whatever you want to call it level is to people of their same gender, then they are gay.

I know you are trying as hard as you can to believe it does not come naturally, and I think I also understand why you do that. But the crux of our disagreement on this comes down to me saying to you: it truly is a natural feeling--the ONLY natural feeling--in people who are gay.

When a person is gay, they just know it. They know it in the same way as a straight person knows they are straight. They don't have to think about it, or ponder, or be influenced by fad or fashion or psychology. That's the whole point: when it comes natural it simply is that way.

Vt. Legislature Overrides Veto; Legalizes Gay Marriage

doreenied »

Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

believer:

"doreen, someone does not need to be an addict or alcoholic to know the facts of substance abuse and addiction issues to include addictive personality issues. "


This is true. But I do submit that if an addict and a non-addict had opposing views on what it feel like to be addicted, and what thoughts go through the mind of an addict, and what motivates an addict, in all those things I would still trust the view of the actuakl addict more than someone who thinks they know but has no personal experience. Wouldn't you agree? Isn't that reasonable?

Vt. Legislature Overrides Veto; Legalizes Gay Marriage

doreenied »

Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Believer, the other burning question I have is: at what point in your life did you "come to believe" you yourself are not homosexual? Please tell me about that process.

No one has ever been able to explain it to me, even the heterosexual people who are sure gay people didn't used to be but rather "came to believe" that they're gay.

Vt. Legislature Overrides Veto; Legalizes Gay Marriage

doreenied »

Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Believer, will you please expound on your theory as to why anyone would choose to be gay? Seems to me that would be like choosing polio. Even subconsciously, why would anyone do that?

Vt. Legislature Overrides Veto; Legalizes Gay Marriage

doreenied »

Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

believer - i think in this case subconscious and unconscious mean essentially the same thing. what you describe is still not a choice.

besides, what makes you so sure of all this? seems a little unbelievable that someone who isn't gay knows all there is to know about being gay....

Ballot Summary for Calif. Marriage Amendment Changed

doreenied »

Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Personally, I think I can do more of God's work if I trust myself, in my God-given abilities, to make good judgments in His name. Without worrying too much about the exact words...and concentrating more on the Spirit within those words. Carrying on what He is REALLY about.

Ballot Summary for Calif. Marriage Amendment Changed

doreenied »

Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:54 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Ah, Prophet, now I see. Your individual beliefs are the one and only truth and everybody else is wrong, and they just don't know it. That is some ego you have.

N.Y. Out-of-State Gay 'Marriage' Case Heads to Court

doreenied »

Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

SqueakyWheel - I did a little reading on the Ocean Grove NJ case. As I suspected, it's hardly a sign that churches are being forced to change their policy on marrying gay couples.

The religious organization in question took advantage of a NJ program allowing tax breaks for groups who open their private facilities to the public. So far so good. Then they refused the request of the gay couple to hold their ceremony at the group's pavillion. NJ law forbids those who “offer goods, services, and facilities to the general public” from “directly or indirectly denying or withholding any accommodation, service, benefit, or privilege to an individual” on the basis of sexual orientation.

They can't have it both ways. They can either keep their facilities private, and thus retain the freedom to set their own policy, or they can make the facilities public in which case they are subject to public laws like everybody else.

N.Y. Out-of-State Gay 'Marriage' Case Heads to Court

doreenied »

Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Mike2685 - Excellent post! Very well said.

N.Y. Out-of-State Gay 'Marriage' Case Heads to Court

doreenied »

Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:55 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

"By the same token, same-sex "marriage" does not & will not ever be morally acceptable, despite it's legality in certain jurisdictions."

Correction: will never be morally acceptable to YOU.

Funny you should compare with slavery. Ending slavery was correcting an injustice. Ending the times when we ban gay couples from civil marriage licenses is also correcting an injustice. Change in cases like these is progress, and a good thing, despite whoever is crying to keep things the way they've always been.

Your NJ case is one I don't know much about, but whateverthe circumstance it was surely isolated and not representative of things to come. Religious freedom is alive and well in our country, and I will stand right beside you in making sure it stays that way.

Ballot Summary for Calif. Marriage Amendment Changed

doreenied »

Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:22 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

"So....as in democracy, Christian "truths" hinge on what the majority say?"

That is not what I said. At all.

"If Jesus were alive today, doreen would be lambasting him too."

False.

"He doesn't realize that Jesus was a minority."

False.

Prophet, don't lecture me on what Christianity is. I know well your brand of it, and I reject it.

In the end, the simple fact is you want to limit the secular freedoms of OTHERS based on YOUR beliefs. Not gonna happen.

Ballot Summary for Calif. Marriage Amendment Changed

doreenied »

Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

JC, I apologize. That probably came across more harshly than I want to be, and that's unnecessary. I'm sorry.

I think I'm frustrated because while I do enjoy lively debate and intellectual stimulation, to be honest sometimes arguments like yours come across to me as almost cult-like, and I don't see the benefit of engaging if we are that far from even being able to acknowledge common ground.

But again, I'm sorry for my harshness.

Ballot Summary for Calif. Marriage Amendment Changed

doreenied »

Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

JC, spare me your self-righteous Bible quoting. I know your type. Nothing I could possibly say will make the slightest difference to you. You will dig up another quote that supports what you already think, without using even the tiniest bit of your God-given individual brain, like a robot.

Believe me, I understand your way of viewing things, and I reject it. Isn't that enough for you?

You don't really want to know what I think, as in engaging conversation or intelligent debate. So why bother asking? I suspect your holier-than-thou comebacks make you feel more secure in your own beliefs. You don't need me for that.

N.Y. Out-of-State Gay 'Marriage' Case Heads to Court

doreenied »

Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:39 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

"Same-sex "marriage" (with the appropriate quotation marks) will never be the same as marriage between one man and one woman."

Of course it's not. Don't have much experience with the word 'same' do you?

But it is indeed a marriage (in Massachusetts, California, Belgium, Canada, the Netherlands, Norway, South Africa, and Spain, at the moment), 100% as legal and valid as a heterosexual marriage.

Some churches may not recognize it, but then no one is asking them to. Churches can do whatever they want with marriage. They're not the ones handing out civil equality or legal protections.