Poll: Most Americans Want a Biblical Leader as President

ebcdic »

Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

citsonga: "Sure, there maybe an afterlife, then again there may not be one. I have no way of knowing (hence agnostic)."

This is called sucking up to Christians.

Do you seriously believe it's possible a soul flies up to heaven after a human ape drops dead? That's the most idiotic fairy tale ever invented, and it's totally nuts to say "there may be an afterlife".

Poll: Most Americans Want a Biblical Leader as President

ebcdic »

Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

"And you die without God. What have you lost? Everything. Eternity."

That kind of breathtaking stupidity might work on a small child, but you got to be crazy if you think an adult could believe your disgusting threats. There no magic man living in the clouds. For goodness sake grow up and face facts.

Poll: Most Americans Want a Biblical Leader as President

ebcdic »

Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

I said earlier that if Christians waited for their children to grow up before brainwashing them with Christian insanity, they would never believe it. Only gullible children, willing to believe any nonsense if it comes from their parents, could believe the idiocy of the Resurrection and the other repulsive Christian myths. It's disgusting immoral child abuse.

Poll: Most Americans Want a Biblical Leader as President

ebcdic »

Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

"Republicans train up republicans. Democrats train up democrats."

That's baloney and you know it. Parents don't push their politics on 3 year olds, but Christians push their Jesus on 2 year olds. It's child abuse, it's immoral, and it's disgusting.

Poll: Most Americans Want a Biblical Leader as President

ebcdic »

Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Christians know if they let their children grow up to old enough to think for themselves before teaching them about the insanity of Christianity, their sons and daughters will never believe it. That's why the brainwashing begins before they learn how to walk. This is nothing less than child abuse, and nothing could be more immoral.

Poll: Most Americans Want a Biblical Leader as President

ebcdic »

Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

"But many who were taught about Jesus grow up to realize that He's real."

It depends on the intensity of their brainwashing and it depends on their intelligence. If the brainwashing is too intense, even the most intelligent child may not recover from the constant lying.

My Answer: Only God Knows When Christ Will Return

ebcdic »

Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

"You seem to have all the answers."

I wouldn't say that. It's doesn't take much common sense to figure out animals, including human animals, stay dead after they drop dead. Any child who has seen roadkill could figure that out.

Poll: Most Americans Want a Biblical Leader as President

ebcdic »

Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:32 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

Prophet: "a true Christian (Abe Lincoln)"

Abe Lincoln was a true Christian? That's wishful thinking. Unlike the thousands of slave owners who lived back then, Lincoln had a very low opinion of Christianity.

Nelson: Same Opinion as Ingersoll

"In religion, Mr. Lincoln was about of the same opinion as Bob Ingersoll, and there is no account of his ever having changed. He went to church a few times with his family while he was President, but so far as I have been able to find out, he remained an unbeliever. Mr. Lincoln in his younger days wrote a book, in which he endeavored to prove the fallacy of the plan of salvation and the divinity of Christ."
-- Judge James M Nelson, who had an intimate acquaintance with Lincoln in Washington, in the Louisville Times, in 1887, quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beleifs of Our Presidents, p. 137

For more information about Lincoln and what he thought about Christianity, see this website:

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/lincoln.htm

Prophet: "There is a difference between calling yourself a christian (such as slave owners) and being a Christian."

I hear this a lot. "Bad Christians are not really true Christians." Well there sure must not be very many true Christians because just about every Christian I have ever met couldn't be more immoral. The immorality I'm talking about isn't just about slavery or pogroms or yelling at science teachers or not respecting the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Christians are constantly lying to their own children about science and about Jesus. Perhaps they don't realize how dishonest they are, but there can be no excuse for lying to children, and nothing could be more immoral.

Poll: Most Americans Want a Biblical Leader as President

ebcdic »

Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:25 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

This ABC news article is very on-topic. I also recommend the reader's comments.

Putting Candidates' Religion to the Test

http://tinyurl.com/2zzv8u

Huckabee Fights Off Rumor of Quitting Race

ebcdic »

Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I highly recommend this article from ABC News. The comments are especially interesting.

Putting Candidates' Religion to the Test

http://tinyurl.com/2zzv8u

Poll: Most Americans Want a Biblical Leader as President

ebcdic »

Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:43 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Slacker: "it was the Secular American government that allowed Slavery to persist"

It was Christian slave owners who used the Bible to justify their barbarity.

Huckabee Fights Off Rumor of Quitting Race

ebcdic »

Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:35 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 10

The Europeans laugh at Americans because in Europe politicians never talk about gods. In America the candidates for president are constantly talking about the invisible man who lives in the clouds. Huckabee has talked about his childish god fantasy more than all the other candidates combined. Huckabee and the people who voted for him have made our country a laughing-stock. Imagine a president Huckabee who would stick god into our constitution. He would make America look like Iran.

Huckabee knows less about science than most grammar school students. He said he doesn't even know how old the earth is. The truth is Huckabee thinks the earth is just thousands of years old. He can't say that because he knows if he did say that every scientist in the world would tell him how incredibly stupid he is. Huckabee doesn't even know humans are primates.

Huckabee wants a theocracy and he wants to destroy science education. A president Huckabee would be a disaster for the entire world. Not to worry, the extremists who would vote for Huckabee might be almost a majority in hick infested states like Iowa, but he lost badly in god-soaked states like South Carolina and Florida. Huckabee's political career is over. This preacher man can go back to his old job of spreading lies about science in church.

Huckabee Fights Off Rumor of Quitting Race

ebcdic »

Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:53 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 9

I agree Huckabee doesn't have a chance of winning of the nomination. Also, he will never be asked to be a candidate for vice-president, because Huckabee could never win a national election for anything.

Americans are dumb, but not dumb enough to elect somebody like Huckabee who would turn America into an anti-science theocracy.

Huckabee has accomplished something no other candidate for president could ever hope to accomplish. Huckabee has made America into more of a laughing-stock than it already was.

Gore's Green Message Resonates with Baptists

ebcdic »

Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

It's obvious global warming is a fact. Just look at the disappearing glaciers in Greenland and disappearing ice near the north pole. It's not unreasonable to say almost 7 billion humans have a lot to do with it. In any case protecting the planet from pollution has to be a good thing.

I have noticed it's the scientists who are most interesting in protecting earth from pollution. The Christians have a long history of getting in the way. If Christians are now changing their ways and becoming environmentalists, that's good. Even if they think they're protecting their planet to please their mythical god, it's good they are joining the environmentalists instead of fighting them.

I noticed this thread got a bit off topic, which is fine with me. I was interested in something Prophet said.

Prophet: "To believe that man evolved from something is totally and 100% against scripture and a false doctrine."

I wouldn't call evolution a false doctrine, since all the evidence that has been growing for the past 150 years completely supports the idea all life evolved. However I agree with Prophet when he says evolution is 100% against scripture. I know many Christians translate Genesis to accommodate the idea the first humans developed from other animals, but I wonder how they do it. How do they make "God created man in his own image" not conflict with our development from ancient apes? I suggest the most honest thing to say about Genesis is it's a beautiful fairy tale, written by a person not inspired by God, but was inspired by his own wishful thinking. Genesis is a wild guess that has been proven to be completely wrong. The God hypothesis is not required to explain the diversity of life, and humans couldn't possibly be God's chosen species, since science has shown humans to be just one animal on a vast tree of life.

Even though we are just animals, our species does have the good luck to have enough intelligence to either save or destroy our only home. I suggest no matter what our differences are about the existence of gods, we should unite to save our planet instead of destroying it.

ESPN Host Returns to Airwaves after Anti-Jesus Tirade

ebcdic »

Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:47 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

"Furthermore, Jesus predicted his own resurrection." According to the made up stories in the Bible?

The Resurrection was the biggest hoax in human history. Just because millions of people believe in this hoax does not make it any less insane.

ESPN Host Returns to Airwaves after Anti-Jesus Tirade

ebcdic »

Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:43 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

What was the exact day, month, and year of the death of jesus? Nobody knows, not even the year. And this was suppose to be a god?

It's so obvious jesus couldn't read or write. If there was a jesus, he was just an uneducated preacher man. Certainly none of his miracles couldn't possibly have happened. I'm still waiting for evidence for his disgusting transformation from a stinking corpse to a zombie. I mean real evidence. Evidence powerful enough to make even a sane person believe in something as ridiculous as the resurrection. How convenient this was suppose to happen at a time when people were likely to believe any nonsense. In the year 2008 people should not be as superstitious as people who lived in the 1st century. Unfortunately today there are millions of people who are just as gullible as the people who lived 20 centuries ago.

For fun, you and others here can try this test on YouTube. If your score is zero you passed. I got a zero. The higher the score, the worse your mental illness is.

Calculate Your God Delusion Index

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCX0JJ16dFM

ESPN Host Returns to Airwaves after Anti-Jesus Tirade

ebcdic »

Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Gaius Julius Caesar
Born 12 July 100 BC - 102 BC
Died 15 March 44 BC

Jesus (7–2 BC/BCE to 26–36 AD/CE)

We got an exact death date for Caesar.

For Jesus, who was suppose to be God Himself, we only have wild guesses for the year he died. This is a god, right? Why would a god be so unimportant we don't even know what year he died? I'm not impressed. Caesar seems a lot more real.

Only brainwashed people, brainwashed since age 2, believe jesus was a god. Only the most gullible people believe jesus rose from the dead.

A rational person, besides automatically rejecting the idiotic idea jesus was a zombie, would ask why would a god do anything so gross and disgusting as performing a resurrection magic trick. It makes no sense to an unbrainwashed person.

If there was anyone in the world who had never heard of jesus, and somebody told him jesus rose from the dead 20 centuries ago, he would most certainly think that's nuts, because it is nuts.

"what is your big problem with a supernatural explanation? The argument is simple ebc, if God exists, then there is no problem with a supernatural explanation."

There's no evidence for any god. Even if there was a god, why would it perform this goofy disgusting zombie magic trick? The resurrection is against all common sense.

"your entire argument lists no evidence"

I'm not the person making the wild claim jesus was a zombie. If you want to believe in this idiotic zombie nonsense, then you prove it. Until you come up with some strong and fantastic evidence for your ridiculous claim, I will laugh at it. Nobody should be expected to disprove an insane delusion.

ESPN Host Returns to Airwaves after Anti-Jesus Tirade

ebcdic »

Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Chris333: "The Resurrection of Christ" "your incessant use of the term magic"

Please tell me why you wouldn't call a corpse returning to life a magic trick?

This "Jesus rose from the dead" stuff is a myth. The witnesses were invented.

Fantastic claims require equally fantastic evidence. There is no real evidence for the Resurrection.

Making it even more unbelievable is the huge span of time since it was suppose to happen. We can't be sure what's in today's newspaper is true. How can we verify a miracle (a magic trick) occurred 2,000 years ago?

I noticed there's more evidence for Julius Caesar than there is for Jesus Christ. Why is that? Perhaps it's because Julius Caesar was real, and Jesus Christ is an invention.

I noticed Jesus Christ never wrote anything down that survives today. Was he illiterate? Was he uneducated? Probably he didn't know how to read or write. Certainly he didn't know anything about science. I often doubt he ever lived. If he really was a god, why do more than 4 billion people not believe that? If he really was god, why is there more evidence for the existence of Julius Caesar?

Archaeological discoveries are not evidence for a dead body becoming a zombie. The Resurrection, which is the most important magic trick of Christianity, couldn't possibly have happened. Anyone who has ever seen and smelled a 3 day old corpse could never believe it could return to life.

I'm glad the Resurrection is so important to Christians, because no magic trick could be more improbable. How many more centuries can people believe this nonsense? The Christian Jesus god will eventually be as obsolete as the Zeus god.

United Church of Christ Seeks to End Feud with Scientists

ebcdic »

Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

Oglefam, yes, I'm sure there is only one correct answer to every question. Your examples explain how wrong answers were corrected, but your examples don't change the fact those questions had only one correct answer. My point was people can't pretend science is an opinion. If evidence shows all life evolved, people can't ignore that evidence and call evolution an opinion. They can't claim magical creation, which has no evidence at all, is equal to evolution, which has a mountain of evidence.

TheHuron137, Of course I agree with you. All holy books are a collection of made up stories. Only the brainwashed could believe the nonsense in the bible, the koran, the torah, or the book of mormon.

United Church of Christ Seeks to End Feud with Scientists

ebcdic »

Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 5

Genesis conflicts with science, I don't care how it's interpreted. The Noah's Ark myth conflicts with science. Since all miracles are impossible, they conflict with science.

"For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is"

This is called a made up story. It's completely against science. If you people want to believe in an anti-science religion, I don't care, but you could at least be honest about it. This wild claim that christianity has no conflicts with science is lying. It's lying to yourselves and it's lying to everyone else.