star2, some lunatic is deleting everyone's comments, including yours, including mine, and including orange. I will keep posting until the lunatic drops dead.

Gen1_28, this is my response to your comments. Maybe you will be able to read them before somebody who gets his moral values from god deletes my comments. You need to understand how to talk to an atheist without making the atheist think you are nuts. For example, your "Repent, before it's too late." is a threat. It makes you sound like a thug. Your "God loves you, even...more

Gen1_28, this is my response to your comments. Maybe you will be able to read them before somebody who gets his moral values from god deletes my comments.

You need to understand how to talk to an atheist without making the atheist think you are nuts.

For example, your "Repent, before it's too late." is a threat. It makes you sound like a thug.

Your "God loves you, even if you hate him." makes you look very dumb. Probably you don't believe in the tooth fairy. Does that mean you hate the tooth fairy? That's how dumb you sound when you tell an atheist he hates god.

Your "Science is impossible without God." is meaningless to an atheist. For an atheist, god is just another word for magic. "Science is impossible without magic" makes no sense.

You said "Your saying that Christianity is 'anti-science' shows your complete lack of the preconditions for science and your complete lack of knowledge of the affirmations from scripture that God created science and upholds it."

You deny the science of evolution, right? You believe the first people were magically created by god, right? You might even think the universe is thousands of years old instead of billions of years old.

Your denial of evolution is extremely anti-science. Evolution is the cornerstone of biology. I personally love evolution because it's interesting and because studying how evolution works can take a lifetime. If you tell an atheist you deny evolution, and then say your religion is not anti-science, you sound like a liar.

You said "As to torture and hell- the two are not synonymous. Torture connotes an unjust application of pain. Hell is a just application of justice and punishment."

So when god tortures somebody just because he isn't dumb enough to believe in god, then it's OK. I don't think so. To an atheist you sound like a thug when you say it's OK for your god to torture anyone it wants.

Since some person who gets his moral values from the bible is deleting everyone's comments, I will save these comments and continue posting them until the immoral christian stops deleting them.less

"Why do they censor your message there?" Because they get their moral values from god.

dgnymn: "Sitting at the Right Hand of the Father" How do you know he isn't on the left side?

ID = magic.

love wins, are you a biologist?

Gen1_28: "If you want to look at it logically- how about this. If there is no God, and I believe in him, I have lost nothing but have helped others to be nice to people, etc. I win. If there is a God and I don't believe I spend eternity in Hell. I lose. Logic says that believeing in God is a win win situation. I win wether He exists or not. Not believeing is the only way I can logically ...more

Gen1_28: "If you want to look at it logically- how about this. If there is no God, and I believe in him, I have lost nothing but have helped others to be nice to people, etc. I win. If there is a God and I don't believe I spend eternity in Hell. I lose. Logic says that believeing in God is a win win situation. I win wether He exists or not. Not believeing is the only way I can logically lose. Things would be okay IF he didn't exist, but if He does- I spend eternity in Hell. I lose. Logically speaking- it only makes sense to believe in God."

According to your logic, Gen1_28, anyone who does not believe in your invisible friend is going to be tortured by your invisible friend, so to avoid taking any chances, everyone should believe in your invisible friend so your loving invisible friend doesn't torture them.

Gen1_28: "Your evidence for evolution can easily been seen as evidence for God"

Gen1_28, according to you the evidence for evolution is really evidence for your invisible friend. 150 years of research by tens of thousands of scientists was all to prove the existence of your invisible friend.less

tgender: It would be more accurate to call your theism what it really is - magic.

DannyPoo: "Groups like "Reasons to Believe" (Reasons.org) will send out blast e-mails on recent discoveries from reputable scientific journals and explain why the Christian worldview aligns better with the new information than any other group." Does reasons.org ever discover anything? No, of course not. They wait for real scientists to advance human progress, then reasons.or...more

DannyPoo: "Groups like "Reasons to Believe" (Reasons.org) will send out blast e-mails on recent discoveries from reputable scientific journals and explain why the Christian worldview aligns better with the new information than any other group."

Does reasons.org ever discover anything? No, of course not. They wait for real scientists to advance human progress, then reasons.org spreads lies about it.

Scientists work hard to make the world a better place. Creationists just get in the way.less

Well Chris333, did you delete all the comments?

pburwell, are you sure you want to compare a Rolex watch to living creatures? I understand why you like Huckabee. He thinks like you, or rather, doesn't think at all. I don't think America is ready for an anti-science theocracy. Huckabee lost badly in South Carolina, a state full of fundamentalists like him, so I don't think he has a chance anywhere else.

Thanks orange. I'll add them to my YouTube favorites. This is interesting and I'm for it. "Great ape personhood is a movement to create legal recognition of bonobos, common chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans (4 out of the 5 great apes) as bona fide persons." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Ape_personhood The 5th Great Ape species is of course people. Why not g...more

Thanks orange. I'll add them to my YouTube favorites.

This is interesting and I'm for it.

"Great ape personhood is a movement to create legal recognition of bonobos, common chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans (4 out of the 5 great apes) as bona fide persons."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Ape_personhood

The 5th Great Ape species is of course people. Why not give legal rights to our Great Ape relatives? That would be a lot better than what's happening to them now. Their habitat is being destroyed and they are being murdered. Humans are the only Great Ape species not threatened with extinction.less

"These moon butterflies are still in the butterfly family" star2, using your logic, you could say human apes are in the ape family. It's in any encyclopedia. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae "The great apes are the members of the biological family Hominidae which includes humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans."

star2, I wonder if you and other creationists think there's something wrong with biologists. Do you think biologists are deluded? Incompetent? Dishonest?

xizwyck, your comments reminded me about two problems Christians have. They don't understand science. They think science requires faith like their strange religion requires faith. The words "scientific evidence" means nothing to a Christian. They don't know what evidence is. Whenever scientific evidence is explained to a Christian, they don't understand any of it. Becau...more

xizwyck, your comments reminded me about two problems Christians have.

They don't understand science. They think science requires faith like their strange religion requires faith. The words "scientific evidence" means nothing to a Christian. They don't know what evidence is. Whenever scientific evidence is explained to a Christian, they don't understand any of it. Because they don't understand science, they are constantly complaining about science, as if scientists care what they think. Even when scientists make discoveries that can cure human diseases, the Christians complain about it. Instead of contributing to human progress, Christians are constantly getting in the way.

Christians also don't understand the concept called "minding your own business".

For example, if Christians don't like abortions, then they shouldn't get abortions. They should not be sticking their noses into other people's private lives.

Of course not all Christians are anti-science, and not all Christians are incapable of minding their own business. It's mostly the Fundamentalist Christians who get in the way of progress, and try to stick their religion where it doesn't belong, and try stick their noses into other people's private lives.less

citsonga: "Leave it where it belongs- the church and Sunday school." I suggest creationism, including intelligent design creationism, does not belong anywhere. It's unfair to children to tell them creationism magic is anything more than a myth. Teaching creationism, even if it's only taught in a religion class, is making our country worse, not better.

xizwyck, the Christian war on science is only part of the problem. Some Christians don't respect the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. They want show-off praying in schools as if everyone is like them and talks to themselves. They want pictures of Jesus in the hallways of our schools as if everyone in America is a Christian. I'm interested in reminding Christians they have to ...more

xizwyck, the Christian war on science is only part of the problem. Some Christians don't respect the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. They want show-off praying in schools as if everyone is like them and talks to themselves. They want pictures of Jesus in the hallways of our schools as if everyone in America is a Christian. I'm interested in reminding Christians they have to respect our Bill of Rights, and they should let science teachers teach science instead of mumbo jumbo supernatural magic. I'm also interested in pointing out Hickabee would never respect our Bill of Rights. He even suggested changing our Constitution to make it a Christian Constitution. I don't want to see America looking like Iran. Christians are completely out of control in this country. They must be made to understand they have to keep their religion completely out of our governments, schools, and science classrooms.less

What HampsteadPete said. Everything he said I agree with, especially "the conditioning is just too deep to be reached by mere words and evidence alone", except I could not have said it so politely. It's interesting to me that evidence is completely meaningless to fundamentalist Christians.

"why are non-Christians here?" There a Christian war against science going on in this country. Non-Christians can't ignore this war.

If Hickabee is elected, the Yellowstone National Park will be selling a book called "Geysers of Old Faithful: Nostrils of Satan".