Obama Denounces Pastor's Controversial Comments

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Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:29 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

feetxxl

My point exactly. George Bush did not say that. He may have had a lot of reasons for going into Iraq that you may not agree with, but that was not one of them. Others have made that statement after the invasion, but not Bush. Your facts are not facts at all. Again I say, real news not radical web sites. You are wandering off of the issue of this story though. The story is about Obama and his pastor. I think that we get the point that you agree with them. That is your right. I was just curious. I guess I was getting off subject too. Shall we get back to the issue.

Obama Denounces Pastor's Controversial Comments

enigma »

Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:23 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

feetxxl -- Why don't you tell us how you really feel? Do you live in the U.S? If so, WHY? If I hated a country as much as you hate this one, I would leave. I'm not being sarcastic here, I really do not understand the hatred of America by Americans. I work with many immigrants (legal) who love this country, but people who were born here hate it. What gives? Most of the things in your last 3 post are half-truths or less. I've lived through most of these things and you've been lied to. This country is not perfect, but it's not nearly as bad as you see it. Instead of reading radical web siites, try going back and reading the newspapers when these things were happening. They aren't always objective, but they're better than what you're reading now.

Obama Denounces Pastor's Controversial Comments

enigma »

Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:28 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

So now Obama wants us to belief that he had no idea that his pastor of 20 years, a man who until yesterday was one of his political advisors was a racist who hates America. This doesn't speak well of his judgement, or his honesty. It does say that he thinks that we are idiots.

Obama seemed like a nice guy when he started this race. I never liked his policies, but he seemed like a decent person. It didn't take me 20 years to see that he isn't.

HempsteadPete -- What is it about judges who believe that the constitution should be the basis of judical decisions that you don't like? None of our rights would be in jeopardy if all Supreme Court justices had felt that way throughout our history.

Lutherans Issue Human Sexuality Statement for Review

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Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:19 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

feetxxxl

Where do you come up with this stuff? If there was a Nobel Prize for obfuscation, I'd nominate you in a heartbeat. Roman culture has nothing to do with this. The Bible both Old and New Testaments clearly teach that homosexual behaviour is a sin. Your Bible quotes leave out some very important words and I'm sure that this is done puposefully either by you or the one you plagurized it from. Do yourself a big favor and read what it really says and stop spinning and twisting it to mean what you wish it meant. You can't make the Bible mean what you want it to mean. I tried it and it didn't work. No amount of fancy explaination will convince God that He really meant to say the homosexuality is OK if done "in the spirit" . That is what is know as blasfemy, not to mention heresy. By the way when you are speaking of the Holy Spirit. it is customary to capitalize it, as the Spirit is the third person of the Trinity. On second thought maybe it's best if you don't seeing how you are not really representing the Holy Spirit. You CAN NOT sin "in the Spirit"!

Lutherans Issue Human Sexuality Statement for Review

enigma »

Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:28 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

I can't believe what I'm reading. Morals change with time. People get to decide what is right and wrong. And even one person who seems to thinks that God didn't know what homosexualilty was when the Bible was written. This can only be willful ignorance.

The Bible may not use the word homosexuality in the original language, but it specifically condemns, men lying with men and women with women. How much clearer can it be. The one thing that these comments did do was helped me to understand how an entire denomination can issue such a wishy washy statement. I don't condone it, but I understand it a little better.

I will give the Lutherans credit for what they did do in standing up for marriage as the uniion of a man and a woman and coming out against "gay" marriage. Unfortunately, they didn't stop there. If they couldn't get the individual chruches to agree on condeming the homosexuality altogether, they should have said nothing else. Instead they chose to look foolish. This is sad. The Lutheran Church has a rich tradition and at its founding stood for truth in the face of falsehood.

It befuddles me how anyone who has read the Bible can believe that homosexuality is not a sin. Maybe that's the answer, they haven't read the Bible.

Christian Right Not Dead, But Maturing, Say Authors

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Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:23 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

ifeelfine72 -- War, weath and the death penaly. Jesus spoke of these things. Upon His return He will be the leader in the greatest war ever fought. When He was on earth, he some some very wealthy friends, which he did not condemn for their wealth. He came to earth to suffer the death penalty, which by God's law, should have gone to us.

Christian Right Not Dead, But Maturing, Say Authors

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Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:10 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

ifeelfine72 -- War is a sin? Have you ever read the Old Testiment? Isreal was born out of war. Monetary wealth is a sin? Abraham was a rich man. Job, whom God held blameless was a rich man. The death penalty is a sin? The death penalty in this country was origianally patterned after the Biblical law. Apathy toward your fellow man is indeed a sin. Did you know that statistics show that conservatives give more than twice as much to charity as liberals? Charity is supposed to be a personal matter, not a government thing. Forced charity is not charity at all.

Christian Right Not Dead, But Maturing, Say Authors

enigma »

Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:51 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

On the subject of making Christian laws for non-Christians.

It is often said that you can't legislate morality. This is usually said by the immoral. The truth of the matter is that all laws are an attempt to legistate morality. The only question is as tgender puts it, who's morals do we use? As a Christian, I say better Christian morals than any other. As a citizen of a country whose population is overwhelmingly Christian, I say, what other morals would you use.

Didymus -- No I am not kidding. I didn't say that Republicans don't sin, some of them are horrible sinners. I said as a party they do not openly promote sin. Maybe I should have said as much sin. Either way Christians need to let both parties know that we are a force that they need to deal with.

Episcopal Church Defrocks Breakaway Bishop

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Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:32 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

DaveRaymer

Pelagius was considered a heretic also, as were the gnostics. You may not be in such good company after all.

To answer your question. NO, I do not see a paralell here. Jesus did not approve of the adultery of the woman. He forgave her and told her to "sin no more." Liberal churches today seem to forget the sin no more part. I don't know that anyone is advocating punishing sin here. I would hope not, that must be left to God. What I see is an concern that some Christians are teaching that God forgives sin without repentance or worse, that things which are clearly called sin in the Bible are not sin at all. We are called to be salt and light, not balm and blinders.

Episcopal Church Defrocks Breakaway Bishop

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Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:40 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

canadianchristian,

Take it easy. What you say may be true, but please say it a little more gently. We need to correct our brothers not bludgeon them.

DaveRaymer,

When I say not teaching the truth, I am not necessarily talking about teaching lies. Many churches which do not teach falsehood still do not teach the whole truth. Lots of churches of different denominations do not teach about sin. Tolerance is a dangerous thing. If we do not tell sinner that they are sinning we are not loving them, we are letting them go unrepentent, into the abyss. I do not hate homosexuals. If I did I would just let them go, and I would laugh, knowing what is in store for them, but I can't do that.

As for he Episcopal Church not teaching the truth. I do not know much about Epicopal doctrine. I imagine that it is much like any other denomination. But when a national meeting of a church approves a bishop who is openly and even proudly living a life of sin, this gives approval to sin. Elevating this man to that possition goes even beyond saying that homosexuality is acceptable. Because this man is made a bishop, it sends the message that this lifestyle is good and honorable. This is not true.

I will stay out of the women in ministry debate as neither side would like what I have to say on that.

Episcopal Church Defrocks Breakaway Bishop

enigma »

Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:47 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

DaveRaymer,

Do I understand you to say that the only part of the Bbile that counts are the words in red? You have dismissed the Old Testament and anything written by Paul. I think that makes you a heretic, and all because you want to allow homosexuality. Sin is sin. Even your favorite sin is sin. Try as you might, you can't change that. I tried for some time when I was first saved to justify my favorite sins, but as I matured, I found that I could not do it. You must accept what the Bible says whether you like it or not. Once you accept it you will grow to like it. God is good that way (and every other way).

As for your assertion that I might be surprised what Biblical scholars say about homosexuality; No I wouldn't. Not all Biblical scholars are Christian and they can write some off the wall stuff.

I also find it interesting that a couple of paragraphs after dismissing the OT and most of the NT that you claim to "believe the message of the Bible." Maybe its just simantics, but maybe you should just believe the Bible, the whole Bible. Studying it in four languages is not enough. I have debated athiests who do that and still have it all wrong. Try studying the Bible in God's language. Open yourself to the Holy Spirit and learn.

I have no particular beef with the Episcopal Church, but I do have a problem with any church that doesn't teach the Truth.

Christian Right Not Dead, But Maturing, Say Authors

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Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

It's great that Christians don't necessarily want to be associated with on political party or the other, but I don't see how that can be avoided in the current political climate. The Democrat party has become the party of sin, promoting abortion, homosexual marriage and any other perversion that becomes popular. While the Republican party is not exactly the party of rightousness, they at least don't openly promote sin.

Ideally, it would be good if Christians could force the parties to move toward us, but that won't happen as long as we can't decide whether we prefer goodness or government handouts. Many Christians are no better than the rest of the country about "voting their pocketbooks". We need to in all things, including politics, stand up for what is right.

There are some issues in government that we can disagree about as Christians, but we need to stick together on those things we can know matter to God.

Episcopal Church Defrocks Breakaway Bishop

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Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:40 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

This should serve as a warning to other denominations. If unBiblical leaders are allowed to remain in our churches, then they will take over and throw out those "untolerant" people who actually want to stick to Biblical teaching.

God Delusion Debate Pits 'New Atheist' Against Christian Apologist

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Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

As to the comment that God Himself as the Light before the sun was created being unsupported by scripture. In Revelation it says that God HImself will be the Light in the New Jerusalem. It is no a big stretch to believe that when the earth was first created that God was the Light. Obviously, that does not prove that this was the case, but it does at least lend some credence to the idea.