EU High Court Rules on Gay 'Marriage' Rights

gadfly »

Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Chris-

You make an assertion, you do not support it with Scripture. You did not make your point.

EU High Court Rules on Gay 'Marriage' Rights

gadfly »

Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:49 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

GMG

Are you a woman?

EU High Court Rules on Gay 'Marriage' Rights

gadfly »

Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:22 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

GMG

Yes, my wife and I will have been married for 10 terrific years on June 3rd. She and I are members of a community of Plymouth Brethren. Our Assembly strives to follow ecclesiastical principles set forth in the New Testament. Women cover their heads before they come into any believers’ gathering – mixed company or not. Women do not preach or teach. Men lead the worship and teach from the pulpit. And, yes, the women are silent. We follow Scripture.

The Scripture never requires women to be silent in home Bible study. See I Corinthians 14: 34 & 35. “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”

If you have a problem with following Scripture, your problem is not with me, but the very Author of Scripture.

EU High Court Rules on Gay 'Marriage' Rights

gadfly »

Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:21 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

GMG

Are you a woman?

EU High Court Rules on Gay 'Marriage' Rights

gadfly »

Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

GMG

Going for the cheapest shot because you can neither legitimately account for your behavior or give a reasoned response to justifiy it. How predictable...

EU High Court Rules on Gay 'Marriage' Rights

gadfly »

Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

GMG: You referred to star2 as “she” three times in your post (Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:06 pm). You also defended her.

Chris333: In your post (Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:51 am) you referred to star2 twice as “she” and “her” once in your post. You also defended her.

Apparently, you have shared histories. Postings submitted by star2 after each of yours would have certainly challenged and corrected you, if you were incorrect. She did not. Obviously, star2 is a “woman.”

God, in Holy Scripture (I Timothy 2:11-12), commands: “11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I permit not a woman to teach (didaskein), nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”

Thayers’s Biblical Lexicon defines teaching (didaskein) as holding “discourse with others in order to instruct them;” “instill[ing] doctrine” or “explain[ing] or expound[ing] a thing” within a theological context.

Communications made by star2, or any woman, which attempt to instruct in Biblical matters are BOLD violations of Scripture and therefore stand in direct defiance of God.

star2…your refusal to follow Scripture’s command for a woman not “to teach,” Biblical doctrine but “to be in silence” is rebellion against God and His Word.

GMG and Chris333, your support of any woman who teaches the doctrine of God and refuses to be silent is also a violation of Scripture; you, also, stand in defiance of God and His Word!

I am a man, blessed be God! By God’s unmerited grace and through the precious blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, I have been saved. Praise the Savior!

EU High Court Rules on Gay 'Marriage' Rights

gadfly »

Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

star2

Are you a woman?

EU High Court Rules on Gay 'Marriage' Rights

gadfly »

Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Jesusis1

Do you love the United States of America?

Gays Still Looking for Love from Christians

gadfly »

Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:41 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

Some, if not the majority of, fundamentalists maintain that homosexuality is sin. They justify their position primarily on 1) Scripture, 2) tradition and 3) science. They work tirelessly to manipulate the legal system to enshrine their particular religious beliefs into law.

For centuries, these individuals - fervent in their theological beliefs - also used Scripture, tradition and science to justify the institution slavery.

Justification for Slavery: Scripture

The Old and New Testament Scriptures were used to justify slavery. Genesis 9:25-27, Exodus 21:2-6, Exodus 21:7-11, Exodus 21:20-21, Leviticus 25:44-46, Luke 12:47-48 , Ephesians 6:5, 1 Timothy 6:1-2.

Justification for Slavery: Tradition

They hold their position with the same defensive tenacity and arguments as their fundamentalist forbears did to justify subjugating Africans to slavery in the Americas from the early 1600s to 1865. For example, it was not until 1995 that the Southern Baptist Convention formally denounced its pro-slavery position (This Side of Heaven: Race, Ethnicity, and Christian Faith. Edited by Robert J. Priest and Alvaro L. Nieves. Oxford University Press, 2007, pp 275 and 339).

Other denominations were also complicit in their overt or tacit approval of slavery. For example, it was not until 1890 that the Catholic Church finally spoke out against “the institution itself, noting that slavery was incompatible 'with the brotherhood that unites all men"' (Noonan, (1993) "Development in Moral Doctrine," Theological Studies 54, p. 675).

Justification for Slavery: Science

In 1853-1855, Joseph Arthur Comte de Gobineau wrote “Essai sur l'Inégalité des Races Humaines” (Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races). He used biblical and theological arguments to bolster his slant on the young science of anthropology vis-à-vis racism. He maintains that "Ethnic differences are permanent." Gobineau also boasts that "Adam is the author of our white species." (Adam soit l’auteur de notre espèce Blanche). He also declares that “Creatures not part of the white race are not part of that species; in effect, they are inferior.” (Les créatures qui ne sont pas partie de la race Blanche ne sont pas partie de cette espèce ; en effet, elles sont inférieures.)

Whites, Gobineau says, are superior to all other races. No other race will ever be as noble as the white race. His treatise quickly became a best-seller within racist circles desperately wishing to justify and bolster slavery while in its death throes.

Christian faith traditions which once used Scripture, tradition and science to defend slavery and racism have grown to condemn these practices and attitudes. I am hopeful that dialogue will continue between Christians of goodwill and intellectual ability with regards to advancing the cause of equal civil rights for gays and lesbians.