Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:58 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

Flagged as inappropriate. show Another quote from the APA report in August 2009: "The research and clinical literature demonstrate that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality" hide

Pastors Test Expanded Hate Crimes Law

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:51 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 4

Flagged as inappropriate. show "So when Pat Robertson went absolutely BALLISTIC when Muslim clerics were first invited to deliver invocations before sessions of Congress, was he prosecuted under the hate crimes law? No. When Christian protesters in the gallery at the U.S. Capitol Building started screaming at a Hindu holy man when HE was delivering the invocation, were THEY prosecuted under the hate crimes law? No. When members of the KKK and the National Socialist White People's Party spew their hatred toward Blacks and Jews, are THEY prosecuted under the hate crimes law? No. When the late Southern Baptist Convention president Bailey Smith famously said, in 1987, "God does not hear the prayer of a Jew," was HE prosecuted under the hate crimes law? No." Amen! A voice of reason. Amen! hide

Pastors Test Expanded Hate Crimes Law

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:50 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 7

Flagged as inappropriate. show In any event, the legislation has passed. It's a done deal. We will now all see with our own eyes that you are talking out your rear end again. hide

Pastors Test Expanded Hate Crimes Law

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:48 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 6

Flagged as inappropriate. show Slacker, Cindy is right, "Hate crimes legislation has been around for 40 years covering religion and race. It's never stopped any racists from saying hateful things or people making comments on other religion" Tiptoe around it all you want. Your fear is unfounded. Bottom line: if you stay within free speech you will be protected by the law. If you stray from what is free speech into what is defined by our laws as hate crimes, you will pay the consequences. The only ones that need fear are those who intend to go beyond free speech. The rest of you can all calm down, you have nothing to fear but fear-mongering extremists. hide

Pastors Test Expanded Hate Crimes Law

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:45 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 8

Flagged as inappropriate. show schumacr, Brookstone has a policy. He broke it. End of issue. Stop inciting unfounded fear. You do your cause a big disservice. hide

Maine Voters Repeal Gay Marriage Law

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

Flagged as inappropriate. show No way. Not a chance. Gay people come from every possible background, having been through every possible set of circumstances. Not to mention, if one's personal will was even a factor then there would not be any gay people left. Ask any of us who finally accepted and dealt with it. The process of getting there was horrendous, and if there was even the slightest chance that one's personal will could determine orientation, we simply would not be gay. hide

United Methodist Court Affirms Stance Against Homosexuality

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:21 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

Flagged as inappropriate. show Did you see that, DP? Looks like you don't know what you're talking about with this 'porneia' thing after all. hide

Judge Strikes Down Christian License Plate

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:12 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

Flagged as inappropriate. show believer, your flow of logic doesn't make sense. This is the equivalent of what you're doing: Since Jesus never married even though he passed the age at which most people married back then, and since he is the savior guy, god has only ordained that the very best course is for nobody to get married, at least not until after age 33. I mean, you can believe whatever you want but believing you know your god's will but other believers don't is either foolhardy or kind of narcissitic. hide

Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:01 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 3

Flagged as inappropriate. show "Who would have knew?" ?? Go sign up for a remedial English class, Einstein. Your 'translation' of the AMA quote is delusional, at best. No sane person would get that from those words. In fact, thank you for helping me and Mickey make our case. By the way, I'm still waiting. 1. Are you ready to admit that your 'peer-reviewed' comments were LIES? (see my post on who puts out that publication) 2. Are you ready to concede that the following trump your handful of crackpots at NARTH? The American Medical Association, World Health Organization, American Academy of Pediatrics, Child Welfare League of America, American Bar Association, National Association of Social Workers, North American Council on Adoptable Children, American Psychoanalytic Association, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, Council on Child and Adolescent Health, Family Research Council, American Association of Pastoral Counselors, American Law Institute, American Civil Liberties Union, American Bar Association, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, National Education Association, not to mention countless universities, local governments, and human rights organizations. hide

Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:00 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

Flagged as inappropriate. show I'm still waiting, jar. You have yet to address: The American Medical Association, World Health Organization, American Academy of Pediatrics, Child Welfare League of America, American Bar Association, National Association of Social Workers, North American Council on Adoptable Children, American Psychoanalytic Association, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, Council on Child and Adolescent Health, Family Research Council, American Association of Pastoral Counselors, American Law Institute, American Civil Liberties Union, American Bar Association, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, National Education Association, not to mention countless universities, local governments, and human rights organizations. hide

Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:58 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

Flagged as inappropriate. show jar said: "By the way.. the NARTH article was published in a recognized journal of of the peers of the APA.." That is a LIE. It was published in the 'Journal of Human Sexuality', which is a publication produced by...NARTH itself. So 'peer reviewed' in this case presumably means reviewed by other non-objective anti-gay bigots with an agenda. Right? Speak up, jar. Right? hide

Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:51 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

Flagged as inappropriate. show jar, so now you'ev stated yuor denial of APA findings. How about: The American Medical Association, World Health Organization, American Academy of Pediatrics, Child Welfare League of America, American Bar Association, National Association of Social Workers, North American Council on Adoptable Children, American Psychoanalytic Association, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, Council on Child and Adolescent Health, Family Research Council, American Association of Pastoral Counselors, American Law Institute, American Civil Liberties Union, American Bar Association, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, National Education Association, not to mention countless universities, local governments, and human rights organizations. Would you care to wiggle out of their positions on homosexuality too? I'm waiting. hide

Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:45 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

Flagged as inappropriate. show "If "A".. the APA admits nurture is part of the cause and "B" ... Dr. N states nurture is also the cause... then "C".... A nd B are in agreement" jar, you are one sorry excuse for a human being. Are you seriously trying to peddle that the APA and your quack from NARTH hold the same position? Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Let me help you understand since you are clearly unable by yourself. Did you even read the last sentence of the APA quote you posted? "Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation." Nature NAD nurture. That doesn't support your view. AND, you also fail to address that scientific concenses is that nobody is sure. Nobody. AND you fail to address Mickey's multiple citations of both APA's true stance and NARTH's lack of any credibility. So how about you tell us the many reasons people have for "choosing" to be gay? Since 5-10% of people are, I would think there must be dozens of compelling reasons. This I gotta hear. hide

Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:37 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

Flagged as inappropriate. show Now watch, as soon as you present this to anti-gay bigots they say something like, "That's because the liberals got to them all, and forced them to say that!" LOL What a bunch of paranoid freaks. hide

Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:36 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

Flagged as inappropriate. show jar1961, you are just a big joke. It's pretty obvious you are one of those Queens of Denial who is gay but now living a pretend "straight" life. I can't imagine any other explanation for you being such a high level combination of hostile and ignorant of reality. Btw, institutions that support my assertion that there is nothing wrong or bad about being gay include the: American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, World Health Organization, American Academy of Pediatrics, Child Welfare League of America, American Bar Association, National Association of Social Workers, North American Council on Adoptable Children, American Psychoanalytic Association, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, Council on Child and Adolescent Health, Family Research Council, American Association of Pastoral Counselors, American Law Institute, American Civil Liberties Union, American Bar Association, American Counseling Association, American Association of School Administrators, American Federation of Teachers, American School Health Association, Interfaith Alliance Foundation, National Association of School Psychologists, National Association of Social Workers, National Education Association, not to mention countless universities, local governments, and human rights organizations. Check with any one of them. I think these trump your handful of crackpots down at NARTH. hide

Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:28 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

believer: "...change in multiple indicators of sexual orientation..."

What are these 'indicators'? Please explain that to me.

The way I see it, this is evidence of a big mound of nothing. There is ONE indicator of sexual orientation: are you naturally attracted (in love and sex) to your own gender or the opposite gender? Pretty simple. Anything else you drum up is garbage.

Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:24 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

THIS is representative of the APA and every other respected, objective scientific organization:

“For over three decades the consensus of the mental health community has been that homosexuality is not an illness and therefore not in need of a cure. The APA’s concern about the position’s espoused by NARTH (The National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality) and so-called conversion therapy is that they are not supported by the science. There is simply no sufficiently scientifically sound evidence that sexual orientation can be changed. Our further concern is that the positions espoused by NARTH and Focus on the Family create an environment in which prejudice and discrimination can flourish.”

Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:22 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

Flagged as inappropriate. show "real mickey, considering I have cited research from the left, the APA, that does indeed support the view that homosexuals can change, I guess that would once again show you to be the one caught in hypocrisy here!!" You have done no such thing. You cited one quote that you credit to the entire APA, which was not at all representative of that organization's views. YOU KNOW THAT. Mickey and I have posted the full, detailed background of why that quote you cite is out of context and not representative of the APA's (or any other objective organization's) views. So please stop dragging a respectable organization like the APA into your crazy idea that people choose their sexual orientation. believer, you are really losing your credibility. hide

Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:15 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

"...but with a sin nature which basically means when given the option there is a real good chance we will choose to sin and that sin comes relatively naturally!"

Baloney! How do you believe that and get through each day? That is such baloney. Pessimistic baloney.

Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

garageguy »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:48 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

What a joke! HA! Narth? Are you serious with that?

This material is presented by NARTH, the group founded on the view: "You're gay? Oh that means you're sick. We'll help cure you." That is what's called an agenda. They are not objective. They have a vested interest in only "finding" things that support their agenda. Do you know what objective means? NARTH is absolutely alone among professional mental health organizations in promoting reparative therapy for gays and lesbians. All the others agree it is both impossible and unnecessary.

Come on, if that's the best you've got then I rest my case!!