Survey: Non-Religious Americans on the Rise in Every State

gs.rusty »

Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:34 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

I'm with smbga. It's our spiritual health that is important - religion is not.

Obama Overturns Bush Policy on Stem Cells

gs.rusty »

Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:31 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

I agree, this is great news. It is important to use this science to help find cures to illness.

Gay Marriage Opponents Fear Conn. Bill Will Promote Homosexuality

gs.rusty »

Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:24 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

It doesn't sound like the Bill is promoting homosexuality to me... but it does sound like it's promoting equality.

Media Misconceptions on Bible, Homosexuality

gs.rusty »

Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Daniel Paul,

I think its fair to say that, just like the rest of the population, most Christians are intolerant as well. Just look at the way gay people are treated e.g. "we love them, but we hate everything they stand for and wont let them into our buildings unless they hide their filthy habit and conform to our will". Then there are the way that single mums are treated, muslims, mormons, vegetarians, people who voted for Obama, people who didnt vote for Obama... the list could go on and on.

Media Misconceptions on Bible, Homosexuality

gs.rusty »

Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

lewr2,

there are none.

Media Misconceptions on Bible, Homosexuality

gs.rusty »

Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

artm and matucon312,

Luke 12:42-48 talks about the beating of slaves, but is a parable, so is about teaching a principle rather than being a direct commandment. Actual slavery is talked about by Paul in several places including Titus 2:9-10 and 1 Timothy 6:1-2. It is my opinion that Paul should have opposed slavery rather than set up rules managing its continuance.

1 Timothy 2:11-15 degrades women, as does 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 and Ephesians 5:22-24. I do not think that these scriptures have place in todays society.

That said, we can still learn from the Bible. It has important messages that we can learn from, even if we understand today that some of the messages are no longer applicable. Sort of how many of the sections of the Old Testament are no longer applicable.

Media Misconceptions on Bible, Homosexuality

gs.rusty »

Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Daniel Paul

There are a lot of things that I dont agree with in the NT too e.g. slavery, beating of slaves, anti family ideas, degrading of women, child abuse, more murder. We do not support these things today, but follow the Spirit in what is right. Maybe this applies to homosexuality too.

Media Misconceptions on Bible, Homosexuality

gs.rusty »

Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:17 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Lewr2,

I dont have the homosexual marriage and relationship scriptures as requested, but here are some interesting scriptures for you:

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Kill those who refuse to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
Any city that doesnt receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Is this the God you believe in? Didnt think so. My point? Sometimes the literal reading and application of the Bible doesnt reflect what we know is right. Maybe this applies to homosexuals as well.

Christians Push Human Rights on Anniversary

gs.rusty »

Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Thanks for highlighting this though

Christians Push Human Rights on Anniversary

gs.rusty »

Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

FJHornik,

I just looked this up on the UN webpage too. Surely this is a free speech matter too, and supports the notion of separation between State and religion.

Christians Push Human Rights on Anniversary

gs.rusty »

Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

I wonder how religious freedom is being attacked by the UN as Thomas claims? Sounds a little conspiracy theory to me.

Media Misconceptions on Bible, Homosexuality

gs.rusty »

Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:19 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

The bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that god doesnt love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.

Anon

Mormons Under Investigation Over Calif. Marriage Efforts

gs.rusty »

Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:15 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

Believer,

Thankyou for listening. You have given me a great deal to ponder on, for which I greatly appreciate.

Mormons Under Investigation Over Calif. Marriage Efforts

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Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Believer

I couldnt possibly share any more of what is in my heart. Everything that I have said has been savaged and I have been insulted and people jump unfair conclusions. No, I think that this will be my last post

It is easy for you people who have sexuality on your side. You are allowed to have your loving relationships, you are allowed to have families, and you are attracted to people of the opposite sex. It is easy for you to do what comes naturally to you

I cant love people of the opposite sex as you and other people on this forum can. God knows I tried to be straight, but it doesnt work, and whether it is genetics or an environmental thing that makes people that way, well I dont think it matters, the fact is that I cannot, no matter what, love a woman as a straight man can. And dont you dare try to say I didnt try hard enough. You know nothing of the struggles I went through and I will not have those struggles dismissed or trivialised by you or Prophet or TrustntheLord

So what does a gay man do? I cannot marry a woman. I cannot love her as a man should love his wife. It would be unfair to her. We would never be one flesh as ordained by God. Even this web site (Christian post at http://www.christianpost.com/article/20081129/homosexuality-misconceptions-in-ministry.htm) acknowledges that many homosexuals cannot change their sexual orientation. I am one of those homosexuals, and I accept that this is how I am in this life

Why did God create Eve? It was to provide Adam with a help meet (partner) and to populate and replenish the Earth, and they were to do it as one flesh. I physically cannot obey that commandment. I cannot love a woman, I would never ever be one flesh with her, but I can be and have a partner, and I can do the best within my context

It seems that no matter what I do I am condemned. I get married. I can populate, but am condemned for not being one flesh. I dont marry. Condemned for not being one flesh and for not populating. I go into a gay relationship, condemned for not populating but can be one flesh

God intends for His children to be in loving relationships. I cannot do that in a heterosexual context. God intends for his children to have children. I cannot do that in a homosexual context

I simply do the best that I can in my context. I have obeyed God and formed a loving relationship. I obey God by assisting with the populating and replenishing thing by being a foster parent. And yes, you are right, I am not doing the heterosexual man and woman one flesh thing, but I do the best that I can in my context. I am not promoting multiple sexual partners for gay men. I am promoting loving, committed relationships, and an enthusiastic assistance of heterosexual parenting

I dont know, maybe its like Moses and the Canaanites or the calf worshippers, sure killing was a sin, but the Israelites did the best that they could in their context

Anyway, this is my last post. I am spent

Mormons Under Investigation Over Calif. Marriage Efforts

gs.rusty »

Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

DelightntheLord,

I actually dont know how our conversation got to here. I originally got on to make a comment about the mormon political activity in california, and responded to some of the ill informed comments about homosexuality.

It was intersting hearing your narrow view on christianity.

Good bye.

Mormons Under Investigation Over Calif. Marriage Efforts

gs.rusty »

Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

oh, just get to the point already.

im sure you have an answer if I agree its gross or I dont agree its gross.

Mormons Under Investigation Over Calif. Marriage Efforts

gs.rusty »

Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Believer,

Please refer to link to article below.

http://wwwstaff.murdoch.edu.au/~loader/homosexuality.html

Mormons Under Investigation Over Calif. Marriage Efforts

gs.rusty »

Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Prophet,

Well, you could have just said that at the start in stead of playing that stupid game.

And yes, I disagree with your interpretation of the Bible.

Mormons Under Investigation Over Calif. Marriage Efforts

gs.rusty »

Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Prophet,

OK then.

2 brothers are gay, they fall in love, should they be able to have a relationship? No, why? Because there are other gay men that are not their family that they can fall in love with.

A brother and a sister fall in love, should they be able to have a relationship? No, why? Because there are other people of the opposite sex that are not their family that they can fall in love with.

A gay man falls in love with another gay man, they are not brothers, should they be able to have a relationship? Yes, why? Because they are unable to fall in love with someone of the opposite sex.

A man falls in love with a woman, they are not related, should they be able to have a relationship? Yes, why? Because they are unable to fall in love with someone of the same sex.

I completely disagree with your assertion that homosexual relations are the same as incestuous relations, or whatever point you were trying to make. Head in the sand, please, enough with the insults.


DelightntheLord,

Well, there is not much I can do about your disappointment in me sending a link to an article, but that is how I have chosen to communicate my beliefs as the article is very articulate on matters that I could not articulate as well (and then you would attack me for not being articulate enough).

Please read the article. I dont actually agree with everything in the article, but it gets across the general gist of what I believe.

As for the Timothy, incapability of introspection and denial references (insults), I find these comments unhelpful. What is to stop me from claiming the same about you other than your claim that your interpretation of the Bible is better than mine?

Mormons Under Investigation Over Calif. Marriage Efforts

gs.rusty »

Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Prophet,

This is my last response to incest:

I have never thought about it in any detail and to be honest I dont want to. I can think of no reason why I could possibly want to research it other than your constant badgering about the topic. Please, I dont understand your obsession with incest. If you really want to talk about it, then maybe one of the other members of this forum will be interested, but I am not.


Believer and DelightntheLord

Regarding my justification for same sex relationships, I know this is cheating, but the article below closely aligns with my views.

http://wwwstaff.murdoch.edu.au/~loader/homosexuality.html

And no, I dont belong to the Metropolitan Church or a church that teaches that Paul or others were gay. I am familiar with the teaching, but it is not something that I subscribe to.

I think that we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Obviously you and I are not willing to change our positions, and both of us feel justified by this because of our faith.

For the record though, when I told my family and friends that I was gay, there was initial shock and disappointment, but everyone, except for a few people from my old church, accepted my decision (not necessarily agreed with, but accepted) and I have very meaningful and happy relationships with them now. I am not running from pain. Certainly I had a rough time dealing with my sexuality as a child and young adult, but that is in the past. You are going to have to find another theory to try to explain my behaviour, because your current one is wrong (though I am sure your theory fits into your viewpoint of the world).