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ifeelfine72's Comments
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MGT: Do you understand the concept of peer reviewed evidence? It's there for all to see almost as if you performed the experiments / tests / etc - no special pleading is required.
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Ministry Distributes 'Origin of Species' with Intelligent Design Intro
ifeelfine72 »Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:43 am
Agree: 1 
Disagree: 2
ID4234: Are you reading these posts with your eyes closed? What evidence have ID'ers brought to the table? Absolutely nothing. Evolution? Well, how about ERV's, the fossil record, the genome, virtually every modern breakthrough in biology? Any of those ring a bell? Vaccines are evolution in action. What is ID in action?
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I'll pray for you, TLChild. Take care.
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TLChild: Your comments to Hephaestos are unbefitting a Christian. He insulted you and Hiskid and instead of turning the other cheek, you came at him (I'm assuming Hephaestos is a he). I think everyone saw the irony in Hephaestos comment about Hiskid being illiterate - no need to revel in it.
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Ministry Distributes 'Origin of Species' with Intelligent Design Intro
ifeelfine72 »Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:47 pm Agree: 3 Disagree: 5
I don't know, Comfort makes a pretty compelling case for the banana being specially designed for consumption by man and monkeys . . . oops.
And the croc-o-duck, man oh man, Kirk Cameron has an answer for everything - the croc-o-duck! -
steveh20: Of course you're right - its my sloppy Midwestern communication style coming through! :) Sir Richard is pretty sure but isn't 100% sure. Even he isn't a 7 on his 7 pt scale of theism. Thanks for the correction. Cheers.
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MGT: BTW, you claim that ERV's don't provide any evidence of evolution and that scientist don't embrace ERVs (both of those statements are false by the way), what is your evidence?
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MGT: I agree with you that folks like Dawkins, et al, overstep their bounds when they venture into the spiritual and say that none of it can be true because of evolution. But those folks are few and far between. Most people that understand evolution have no issues with Christianity or religion in general. Look at Dr Francis Collins (who lead the team that decoded the human genome and is director at the NIH) or Dr Ken Miller (the biologist made famous by the Dover trial and his landmark biology text book) - both of them are very religious and both of them understand and embrace evolution.
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MGT: You have made it very clear that your biggest concerns aren't with the actual evidence for and the facts of evolution but with the potential philosophical concerns. I hear that. But what about all of the Christians that have no issues with the facts of evolution? How do you account for them in that thinking?
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gem of tki: ERVs are the "smoking gun" of evolution. There is no other reasonable explanation for them. Unless God was deliberately trying to mislead us, ERVs point to evolution.
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TLChild: With all due respect (here it comes), your response to NoBigot is complete head-in-the-sand ignorance. How does creationism explain ERV's? Or molecular biology or genetics or vaccines? None of it makes sense except in the light of evolution.
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TLChild: It's clear from your post that you are passionate about your feelings but its also very clear that you don't have even a basic understanding of what evolution is. The Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution (biology), it has to do with the formation of our universe (physics, math, astronomy, etc). Your analogy makes no sense in light of the fact that evolution isn't a random process.
Moreover, its clear from your post that you have a great deal of fear of evolution. The facts of evolution might shatter your view that the universe and everything in it is give or take 6,000 years old but does the universe being 13 billion yeards old do anything to take away from the majesty of God? I think not, if anything it makes what He does all that more wonderous. Also, there are lots of "true Christians" that have no problems with the facts of evolution! -
Thank you, MGT2, I agree whole-heartedly.
TLChild: I too have read that passage before. It's interesting that you would choose a passage from a book in the Bible that focuses so much on death when evolution really is about the spread of life. If I can read between the lines of your post, it seems as though you think that anyone who understands the facts of evolution and accepts those facts cannot be a Christian, is that right? -
MGT2: Are you the one doing the flagging? If not, whoever is doing it, cut it out - none of these posts by myself, viking, etc are violating the Terms of Use.
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And, here's Vikings post which was flagged:
As a christian and a rational person I find stories of this sort to be offensive. Of course as Steve and some others point out Darwin was wrong in some things. Just as Copernicus was wrong (orbits aren't circular) about some details but not his basic thesis of heliocentism. Also Newton was wrong about the nature of gravity but not about the inverse sqaure law or universal attraction. Scientists are a good example of the Biblical admonition but now we see through a glass darkly. But just because the vision is not perfect is no reason to intellectually put our own eyes out as the AIG and others of there ilk do. But enough soap boxing. This article lost all credibility when I read. Last spring the bones of "Ida" were revealed. She was a lemur-like creature that was labeled as another missing link between apes and non-apes. Of course this is the same old canard repeated over and over by those ignorant of the actual theory about "descent from apes" The ignorance of the authors was further confirmed with the following ludicrous claim He presented genetic data from the biblical accounts of Adam and Eve and Noah's family to show how the Bible is really the history of mankind. I found myself bemusedly wondering where in the OT this person discovered phenotype trait expressions or perhaps mitochondrial DNA tracing. Even if one accepts the GENEALOGY in the Bible as factual it is not GENETICS. This shows once again how these folks attempt to dress Faith issues up in pseudo science language to borrow authority from a purported (but false) scientific basis -
For anyone who missed my post as it was flagged yet again, here it is:
MGT@: So much of what you presented was wrong, I don't even know where to begin so I won't.
ID4234: I'm not a scientist - the only "C" I received in college was in biology but it doesn't take a working scientist to show where you're wrong.
1. Wrong. This is a fallacy. Of course the Universe looks fine tuned as it's the only Universe we know. Duh.
2. Wrong again. Just search Google for "evolution of the eye" and you'll find all sorts of neat things.
3. I'm not a cell biologist or very familiar with this.
4. Wrong. There are 40 some odd different dating methods and all of them confirm the age of the Earth and things on it.
5. I believe this is made up . . . SteveH20, can you help with this?
6. Not true at all. Every species is a "missing link" or just a link for some other species. We'll eventually be a link as well.
7. I just checked on Google and the information you provided is a few years old - it wasn't actually a red blood cell but just some part of hemoglobin . . . again can someone else help? Viking perhaps?
Evolution best explains all the evidence out there. How do creationists explain ERV's? Practically the "smoking gun" of evolution. For what it's worth, my Christianity isn't harmed in any way by the facts of evolution. In fact, I think it just makes God's creation all that much more majestic when you really think about it. -
ID: I am serious and interested in the evidence . . . but please present some. What you presented has mostly been struck down by scientists.
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Flagged as inappropriate. show For anyone who missed my post as it was flagged, here it is: MGT@: So much of what you presented was wrong, I don't even know where to begin so I won't. ID4234: I'm not a scientist - the only "C" I received in college was in biology but it doesn't take a working scientist to show where you're wrong. 1. Wrong. This is a fallacy. Of course the Universe looks fine tuned as it's the only Universe we know. Duh. 2. Wrong again. Just search Google for "evolution of the eye" and you'll find all sorts of neat things. 3. I'm not a cell biologist or very familiar with this. 4. Wrong. There are 40 some odd different dating methods and all of them confirm the age of the Earth and things on it. 5. I believe this is made up . . . SteveH20, can you help with this? 6. Not true at all. Every species is a "missing link" or just a link for some other species. We'll eventually be a link as well. 7. I just checked on Google and the information you provided is a few years old - it wasn't actually a red blood cell but just some part of hemoglobin . . . again can someone else help? Viking perhaps? Evolution best explains all the evidence out there. How do creationists explain ERV's? Practically the "smoking gun" of evolution. For what it's worth, my Christianity isn't harmed in any way by the facts of evolution. In fact, I think it just makes God's creation all that much more majestic when you really think about it. hide
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Flagged as inappropriate. show lewr: Can you show a biblical proof that the computer you're using isn't against God? Afterall, the Amish have their "biblical proofs" that technology is sinful. hide
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Flagged as inappropriate. show MGT@: So much of what you presented was wrong, I don't even know where to begin so I won't. ID4234: I'm not a scientist - the only "C" I received in college was in biology but it doesn't take a working scientist to show where you're wrong. 1. Wrong. This is a fallacy. Of course the Universe looks fine tuned as it's the only Universe we know. Duh. 2. Wrong again. Just search Google for "evolution of the eye" and you'll find all sorts of neat things. 3. I'm not a cell biologist or very familiar with this. 4. Wrong. There are 40 some odd different dating methods and all of them confirm the age of the Earth and things on it. 5. I believe this is made up . . . SteveH20, can you help with this? 6. Not true at all. Every species is a "missing link" or just a link for some other species. We'll eventually be a link as well. 7. I just checked on Google and the information you provided is a few years old - it wasn't actually a red blood cell but just some part of hemoglobin . . . again can someone else help? Viking perhaps? Evolution best explains all the evidence out there. How do creationists explain ERV's? Practically the "smoking gun" of evolution. For what it's worth, my Christianity isn't harmed in any way by the facts of evolution. In fact, I think it just makes God's creation all that much more majestic when you really think about it. hide
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