believer: You can "cite data I've read" but without any kind of foundation, you won't have the understanding to provide any kind of context. I've read the Bible a few times and continue to pray and worship and trust my pastor. My opinion on that subject should be as good as anyone who posts here. And you do essentially tell me not to give my opinion as you try to invalidate it at every turn.

believer: How would you know? You have yet to show you even have a basic understanding of what evolution is. Stop pretending that the scientific evidence is as good for creationism as it is for evolution. You know that's not true - so stop lying!

ketch: You're contradicting what the Bible says - man was created as is according to your interpretation of the Bible. That means that "micro-evolution" isn't possible. BTW, "macro-evolution" can be seen - new species of fruit flies have evolved in a lab. Species = "macro-evolution."

believer: Does the Bible talk about "micro-evolution?" No it doesn't, so why do you have no problem with that? It's not in the Bible . . . is it because its not so much about what the Bible says but rather about your worldview?

USAsoccer: Why did you not cite gotquestions.org as the place that you cut and pasted "your" post on slavery?

Muggleborn: 1 Thess 5:21 USAsoccer: What question have I chosen to ignore? It's possible that I've either overlooked it or realized it was a strawman. Why have you continued to ignore some of my questions? Or Steve's? As for more wise men than myself understanding evolution. My pastor has no problems with evolution, the pastor that married my wife and I has no problems with it and he understand...more

Muggleborn: 1 Thess 5:21

USAsoccer: What question have I chosen to ignore? It's possible that I've either overlooked it or realized it was a strawman. Why have you continued to ignore some of my questions? Or Steve's? As for more wise men than myself understanding evolution. My pastor has no problems with evolution, the pastor that married my wife and I has no problems with it and he understands it as he received both his Bachelor's and Master's degrees in biology before getting a second master's in divinity. So, no, I don't have a problem with more learned men of the Bible than myself.

believer: I haven't limited God at all. If God created life on Earth per creationism then He lied to us as all of the evidence points to evolution as being responsible for the biological diversity on this planet.less

Feel hypocritical at all, USAsoccer, for cutting and pasting from both gotquestions.org and from Answers in Genesis?

USAsoccer: And I feel sad for you - that your notion of God is so small. And I feel embarrassed for you - that you clearly think evolution is a bigger scourge than slavery. So you just continue to cut and paste from gotquestions.org and never have an original thought for yourself - And I will continue to think for myself, just like God commands! :)

LOL angela123

USAsoccer - tell me, how do you sweep away the inconsistencies in the Bible? Was Jesus' robe purple or red when he was crucified? Does God hate slavery or is He okay with it? I'm just honest in my faith - I feel that Christians of good faith and conscience can and do come to completely different opinions on different issues. In cases like that, I always feel it is best to "Test all things and how ...more

USAsoccer - tell me, how do you sweep away the inconsistencies in the Bible? Was Jesus' robe purple or red when he was crucified? Does God hate slavery or is He okay with it? I'm just honest in my faith - I feel that Christians of good faith and conscience can and do come to completely different opinions on different issues. In cases like that, I always feel it is best to "Test all things and how fast to those things that are true." Evolution has been tested and is clearly true.less

Spot on Crannog - I still subscribe to Gould's "non overlapping magisteria" idea. Science and religion are out to find answers to two different things. Science can only look at what is natural and religion looks at the supernatural. I guess I don't know why some folks have such a problem with that.

believer: How about you comment on what I actually said.

USAsoccer - I believe the Bible is really talking about spiritual death, not physical death and that Adam and Eve was an allegory explaining that - problem solved.

believer: Your statement about rejecting the need for God because of evolution makes no sense . . . unless you're afraid that your faith can't stand up to it? Do people reject God because of evolution? No, they've already rejected Him and are using evolution to support that view. Now, will secular people reject the notion of God because you're spouting off how evolution is a myth, etc? Absolutely....more

believer: Your statement about rejecting the need for God because of evolution makes no sense . . . unless you're afraid that your faith can't stand up to it? Do people reject God because of evolution? No, they've already rejected Him and are using evolution to support that view. Now, will secular people reject the notion of God because you're spouting off how evolution is a myth, etc? Absolutely.

I didn't say God was wrong - I said you were wrong. Big difference. Stop equating your beliefs with God.

I share God's plan with people - evolution has nothing to do with God's plan for salvation and if you include the rejection of "macro-evolution" in the story you share then I'm certain that you've driven more people away from God than to Him.less

believer: I will have no problem with that. If I'm wrong, I've only offended a few religious people (something Jesus was pretty good at too) but if you're wrong (which all the evidence says you are) then you are unneccesarily pushing people away from God . . . which do you think might be a bigger problem?

USA: And what will you say to God when you get there and he asks why you turned away so many potential believers because of your ignorance of biological evolution? Muggle: My Bible is in English and I don't speak Hebrew. In any event, like Angela said, six day creation isn't important to my faith - only Christ is! :)

I am well, Muggleborn, thank you for asking. I hope you and yours are good as well. With regard to your comment, it appears as though you are making up facts not in evidence. The Bible doesn't say that the second version is just a recap.

USAsoccer: Which version of creation in Genesis are you talking about? The first version or the second one, which is different? You can't have it both ways. By your logic, it's either one or the other, not both. I wonder how many people you turn off to God's truth in the Bible because you reject the truth of evolution. If you're going to make it an either or proposition, I bet many people will ...more

USAsoccer: Which version of creation in Genesis are you talking about? The first version or the second one, which is different? You can't have it both ways. By your logic, it's either one or the other, not both.

I wonder how many people you turn off to God's truth in the Bible because you reject the truth of evolution. If you're going to make it an either or proposition, I bet many people will not keep an open mind because you're asking them to reject that which is tested and which is true. The Bible is not a science text book - it was never meant to be that and yet you seem to insist it was.less

Spot on Rhi Bran. As much as it pains me to say though, as a Christian and as a former journalist, I hope that the Phelps family wins. If they lose, it erodes free speech for all of us - Christians and journalists.