Presbyterians Divided on Gay Ordination Ahead of Major Meeting

jbfrech »

Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

IHS

I would like to believe that a person who is homosexual, or any other sin for that matter, would be able to live out their service for the Lord, and take up their cross with celibacy of whatever the sin may be. But just as Peter could not keep his eyes on Jesus the whole time he was walking on water, I contended that all of us will, during moments of fatigue or weakness, give in to our vices. In my case, it might be overeating or ungodly busyness, for the homosexual, it would be thoughts or acts that God's Word defines as an abomination.

I'm not mad at any homosexual person, but none of us on this earth have achieved 100% success over our struggles...as the hymn says, we are prone to wonder. When the sin surfaces, does it destroy the church? My overeating is destructive, but will not have the same effect as a homosexual minister falling into his sin.

Please share your thoughts....

Presbyterians Divided on Gay Ordination Ahead of Major Meeting

jbfrech »

Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:25 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

While in college, I attended a presbyterian church several times that I thought was very biblical, and the services were very meaningful. I cannot make any absolute statements about presbyterian churches, though, nor about any church denomination for that matter. What I can say absolute is that I believe God's Word, whether it be issues that relate to my experiences, like sex with a woman before marriage, or issues that I can't relate to, homosexual relationships.

Either God's Word is completely true, or it is not. If you disagree, then what is your higher revelation? All I know about God is from His word. My experiences make His word more real to me, but my experiences do not contradict the Bible. If the Bible says it is wrong, then it is wrong.

I imagine that the presbyterian church's biggest issue isn't whether or not their leadership are practicing homosexuals, but the issue of homosexuality in general. Is it sin or not? If it is sin, how can a homosexual, whether practicing or not, be in leadership? I would disagree with my church having a homosexual leader, because I think it is a sin.

But I believe we as Christians should have a monopoly on "real" Christ-like love, which means we must do a lot of praying for these major presbyterian concerns.

How to Share Your Faith Using 'I Am Legend'

jbfrech »

Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Hello Steveh20,

I apologize for entering in the middle of your discussion with someone else, but I'm curious about the way you view the Bible. Now upfront I'll admit that neither you nor I can convince one another to change our views, so that's not what I'm trying to do. But I would like a little perspective from you, and that would help me to understand.

You mentioned the two types of Jesus, the first "who shows the hypocrisory of men...", the other "who performs miracles, who talks about the end of the world etc..." Where did you learn of the teacher Jesus? You know where I'm going, where did you learn of the Son of God, Jesus? Didn't you learn of these two sides of Jesus in the same place? The church, the Bible...

How do you decide which parts of His life to believe, versus those parts that are mabye a little unbelievable? You have plenty of church background, so you have certainly thought this through. With much respect, how is your revelation greater than so many other people, who have been led astray, if what you say is true?