http://www.understandthetimes.org/ec/eccontemplative.shtml News Alert Contemplative Prayer - Emerging Church and Roman Catholicism Commentary By Roger Oakland www.understandthetimes.org May 29, 2006 "A copyrighted article that does not permit rebroadcast has been published by the Philippine Daily Inquirer regarding a thirty foot Marian statue of "Our Lady of the Holy Rosar...more

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News Alert
Contemplative Prayer - Emerging Church
and Roman Catholicism

Commentary By Roger Oakland
www.understandthetimes.org
May 29, 2006
"A copyrighted article that does not permit rebroadcast has been published by the Philippine Daily Inquirer regarding a thirty foot Marian statue of "Our Lady of the Holy Rosary" built in the Philippines by a contemplative Catholic group for the purpose of contemplative prayer.


News Alert
Contemplative Prayer - Emerging Church
and Roman Catholicism

This article located at http://news.inq7.net/lifestyle/index.php?index=1&story_id=77310 is of paramount importance with respect to the warnings we have been issuing regarding contemplative prayer and its connection with Roman Catholic mysticism.
Contemplative prayer is one of the major ideas being introduced by the Emerging Church promoted by numerous Emerging Church promoters including Chuck Smith, Jr., Dr. Robert Webber, Richard Foster, and Brian McLaren.

Later this week Understand The Times will be publishing a lengthy commentary titled "The Emerging Church: Another Road to Rome" which will document the connection between the Emerging Church and Roman Catholicism. This movement is influencing Christianity worldwide - fellowships, movements and denominations - including Calvary Chapels.

This past week Pastor Chuck Smith sent out a position paper to all Calvary Chapel pastors making it clear that embracing the Emerging Church was not compatible with the Calvary Chapel movement and if pastors planned to go that direction they would no longer be able to call themselves Calvary Chapel.

Every serious Christian should read the article posted by the Philippine Daily Inquirer. It will give you a first hand account of the connection of contemplative prayer with Roman Catholicism.

For further information on this subject you can refer to the following four radio programs (transcripts) posted at www.understandthetimes.org that will provide information that will help you understand contemplative prayer. These programs are located at: http://www.understandthetimes.org/archives/aprmay2006.shtml

1937 - What Is Contemplative Prayer? 4/11/06

1938 - Thomas Merton - 4/12/06

1939 - Richard Foster - 4/13/06

1940 - Contemplative Terror - 4/14/06

I would also strongly recommend you consider reading the following two books available at our site:

Time of Departing - Ray Yungen

Running Against The Wind - Brian Flynn

I urge you to become informed about this very critical issue.

Sincerely in Jesus,

Roger Oakland'less

Many Born again Christians on this board express disdain for this name it and claim it "seed faith" theology because it is a false doctrine. They make a doctrine out of one Biblical Scripture verse, a principle, or promise, and then never leave that point. They don't expound on the whole context and heart of the Scriptures so people will grow in their faith. Rather than teaching the...more

Many Born again Christians on this board express disdain for this name it and claim it "seed faith" theology because it is a false doctrine. They make a doctrine out of one Biblical Scripture verse, a principle, or promise, and then never leave that point. They don't expound on the whole context and heart of the Scriptures so people will grow in their faith. Rather than teaching the whole counsel of God, they teach that if you give to their ministry, then God will multiply it 100 fold. They peddle God's Word for gain, and this is not what God calls teachers of the Word to do. It is definitely a heretical teaching that is extrabiblical and for one to say that disdain for this false doctrine and abheration of the Truth is a comparison of Christians persecuting other Christians as you implied on your post is distorting the issue.

Yes, we as believers should be united in sound doctrine; not on all these other false doctrines including name it and clai it, and blab it and grab it theology that seem to pop up everywhere in Christian bookstores, on TBN, etc with a secular humanistic, and seeker friendly tone to them to tickle the hearers and readers ears.

God does not promise everyone to be rich here on earth. He has however promised us a relationship with Him, He has also promised that He would supply all of our need (not our greed) if we should put our total faith and confidence in His One and Only Son Jesus Christ. He promised that He would go and prepare a place for us and that we (who have given our lives to Christ) would spend eternity worshipping Him and fellowshipping with HIm.

We need to be like the Bereans who searched the Scriptures daily to see if what is being taught to is biblically true.less

ifeelfine: For once I agree with what you said on a post.

The same heresy follows those in the seed faith/word faith/ name it and claim it prosperity gospels who say that we, as mere humans can speak things into existence, as if we're God. NO, that is nonsense, we are the creation, and GOD is the CREATOR. He is the only one who can speak things into existence. He alone spoke the universe and the earth into existence. He and He alone holds the power ...more

The same heresy follows those in the seed faith/word faith/ name it and claim it prosperity gospels who say that we, as mere humans can speak things into existence, as if we're God. NO, that is nonsense, we are the creation, and GOD is the CREATOR. He is the only one who can speak things into existence. He alone spoke the universe and the earth into existence. He and He alone holds the power to life and death. He and He alone controls where we are born, and the boundaries of our dwelling. Who am I that God is mindful of me? Many on the seed faith TBN pulpit are peddling the Word of God for financial gain, and they will not have to answer to the Senate Finance Committee, but to God. I have been in a church service where a so called "annointed" faith teacher said that God told him that there was someone in the audience who had a stomach issue, and that God had told him not to be alarmed at what he was about to do, but that he was supposed to slap her in the stomach to cast that sickness out of her. To my amazement, the woman stood there while the man slapped her in the stomach, and she just kinda looked like she was in pain after the fact. The same man said that he wanted a jet airplane, and that God was his daddy, and if he asked his daddy for the jet airplane, that God would give it to him. He stood there on the pulpit of the curch i was visiting boasting about how God had gien him a house on the side of a mountain or a hill, and that people would drive by and look at the preacher's house with the Miami Palms, and he would smile, and say, daddy gave it to me. Now where in the Gospels or the Epistles did you see any of the Apostles asking for material waealth or condonong tht wealth as a condition of having much faith? Jesus Crist the Son of God did not have a place to lay his head. Church history and Bible historians show that all of the Apostles were martyred for their faith and witness of Christ with the exception of John who was stuck in a pot of boiling oil, but he survived. Where's the prosperity gospel here? Did not these prescious saints love God and have perhaps more faith than us, and trully live out the Christian life in holiness ad reverence? Yes they did, and they gave up evrything even to the death. God does not call everyone to die a martyrs death, but He does not promise everyone problemless life filled with Rolls Royces, and Leer Jets. What do these Prosperity Evangelists have to say to the home missionaries in India and other parts of the 10/40 window who go without food sometimes for days. What we should be is thankful and eternally grateful, because our true reward is in heaven. And Christ died and rose from the dead to save us wretched sinners from eternal seperation from God in hell. I can only hope that those who have peddled God's Word for financial gain would repent and turn from what they are doing.less

anniefourjesus: By the way, as a disclaimer, I wasn't refering to everything in your post. I had issue with the portion that had to do with contemplative prayer. Other than that, I pretty much agree with most of what you said, and we do need to be salt and light to our world. America in particular has backslidden from it's former Christian roots, and having said that, now materialis...more

anniefourjesus:

By the way, as a disclaimer, I wasn't refering to everything in your post. I had issue with the portion that had to do with contemplative prayer. Other than that, I pretty much agree with most of what you said, and we do need to be salt and light to our world. America in particular has backslidden from it's former Christian roots, and having said that, now materialism, and self indulence have become America's god.less

anniefourjesus: I'm sorry, with all due respect, i do disagree completely with your statement. I do know what contemplative spirituality is, and it is very new age and mystical in it's origins. Contemplative prayer has a form of mystical practice from the far east and from some of the Catholic Mystics. Sorry, can't agree with you on that one. If you are interested in finding ...more

anniefourjesus:

I'm sorry, with all due respect, i do disagree completely with your statement. I do know what contemplative spirituality is, and it is very new age and mystical in it's origins. Contemplative prayer has a form of mystical practice from the far east and from some of the Catholic Mystics. Sorry, can't agree with you on that one. If you are interested in finding out the reasons why many evangelical Christians will not condone contemplative spirituality, then you may want more info about the dangers of the Emerging Church, some of the new age practics it has adopted, including but not limited to contemplative prayer go to www.understandthetimes.org, www.apprising.org, and www.lighthousetrails.com and read some of the articles that are grounded in biblical context, and listen to some of the podcasts. Maybe after you read a little about this new form of mysticism creeping into the church, the Holy Spirit will give you discernment about it so you may move away from it. I can't agree with Tony Campolo, Rick Warren, Brian Mclaren, Doug Pagitt, Richard Foster, or Rob Bell, or any of the Emergents for that matter. They've taken sound doctrine and polluted it with new age doctrines and postmodernism. They've taken the Bible and preach a "feel-good" non-offensive gospel that leaves out sound doctrine. I'm sorry, but you do not have a born again experience thru contemplative prayer; you can only have a born again experience by repenting of your old life, coming to Christ with everything and asking Him to forgive you of your sins, make you into a new creature, and ask that He be LORD and SAVIOR of our lives, and then we need to die to ourselves daily, pick up our crosses and follow Christ. No annie, it is not contemplative spirituality that brings us closer to God, but a relationship with Him thru Christ by the enabling of His Holy Spirit. I can only pray that you will pray and consider what I have written exhorting you in the truth of God's Way. We must not be a people who are feeling based, but rather faith based on the Word of God. I'll be praying for you.less

Ted Kennedy, John Edwards, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Cindy Sheehan, and Hillary Clinton all need to be deported to the South Sandwich Islands. Their all communists who make their living on rhetoric and tax hikes.

Feet: you probably haven't seen me on this post, but many here know who I am. We will pray for you. In the meanwhile, google : The Word for Today radio program, and listen to some of the podcasts. They'll give you solid Bible teaching from Pastor Chuck Smith at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. In addition, you can google the Calvary Satellite Network and look up the radio show called PAstor&...more

Feet: you probably haven't seen me on this post, but many here know who I am. We will pray for you. In the meanwhile, google : The Word for Today radio program, and listen to some of the podcasts. They'll give you solid Bible teaching from Pastor Chuck Smith at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. In addition, you can google the Calvary Satellite Network and look up the radio show called PAstor's Perspective. You may have a Christian Radio Station close to you where you can call th show and ask them questions. They will try to answer your questions directly from the Word of God, as close to the context intended as possible.

With regard to this lesbian minister, they are not only ordaining a woman to be over men in the teaching of a congreagation which the Apostle Paul clearly teaches is not the way God intended for teaching, and furthermore, she is a homosexual, which is condemned in the Bible as a sin just like adultery and fornication, bestiality and other sexual immorality is. This liberal congregation is a digrace, and should not be called part of the Body of Christ, because they are in clear open disobedience to the Word's teachings on these matters.

Peace be to you. I too hope the Holy Spirit will guide you in all Truth. But, remember, stay in the Wordless

This is nothing more than an attempt at what the emerging church is trying to do with evangelical Christians and uniting them with the Roman Catholic heresies as well as other world religeons that will deny the deity of Christ and will Deny Jesus Christ of the Bible as the One and Only Way to Salvation. This is eculmenicalism, and will be one of the tools the antichrist will use to deceive many n...more

This is nothing more than an attempt at what the emerging church is trying to do with evangelical Christians and uniting them with the Roman Catholic heresies as well as other world religeons that will deny the deity of Christ and will Deny Jesus Christ of the Bible as the One and Only Way to Salvation. This is eculmenicalism, and will be one of the tools the antichrist will use to deceive many non-believers.
I will say this as tactfully,and as lovingly as I can as I have said on other posts related to a similar issue. To all those of you who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately turned their backs on Him and His Son - Jesus Christ because of their obstinate rebellion and continual rejection of His Son. Read the Bible in context, and then comment on it. We cannot, and should not have felowship with those who claim to be Christians yet don't obey His Word, and HIs Salvation Message. The post modern liberal Emergent church, and it's seeker sensitive counterparts want people to believe that if we all save the environment, and save the whales, the events of the Book of Revelation will not happen, and we can actually prevent it from happening. This similar social gospel which claims that we should make the world a better place, and usher in peace prior to Jesus' second coming, as well as unite with all people of faiths has been adopted by Rick Warren, and has caused whole splits in the Southern Baptist Convention, because he has gone down the Purpose Driven P.E.A.C.E Plan agenda, which by the way is a false doctrine my friends. These movements which align themselves with Bono from U2 and the whole COEXIST crowd have more in common with humanism, one world religeon, and the new age than what the Bible says will transpire. The problem today is that we have so many "Bible teachers" who are more motivational speakers than true shepherd's of the flock of God. No wonder the Body of Christ is split. The Bible talks of a great falling away in the end times. Men will naturally gravitate towards what their "itching ears" want to hear. What more itching do you need than what you hear on TBN, and the like: "find success", "you are the controller of your own destiny" "God will prosper you if you just have faith [and send me your money]". They take Scripture out of context to suit their own desires, and fleece the flock of God for their own matierial gain. OPEN YOUR EYES and STUDY the WORD IN CONTEXT; for Christ will return soon.less

Mk8:34: I must say amen and amen. mcfbc: I never said that Bono or Clinton were the antichrist. I was only pointing out the facts. If Rick Warren claims to be a teacher of the whole counsel of God, he will not unite with those who would like to see a one world religion and sponsor COEXIST (Bono), or bring on a woman who is clearly pro abortion and has done many things to destroy what is tr...more

Mk8:34: I must say amen and amen.

mcfbc:

I never said that Bono or Clinton were the antichrist. I was only pointing out the facts. If Rick Warren claims to be a teacher of the whole counsel of God, he will not unite with those who would like to see a one world religion and sponsor COEXIST (Bono), or bring on a woman who is clearly pro abortion and has done many things to destroy what is true and what is right here in America (Hillary). mcfbc, if you so choose to follow in their footsteps, that is something you wilLhave to choose for yourself. I can't make up your mind for you. If you agree with the emergent church and it's liberal/progressive/post modern stance on the Word and Christianity, then you and you alone will have to answer to God for not wanting to open your ears, your eyes, and your heart to the whole counsel of God. The emergent seeker frinedly church preaches both a watered down form of gospel, and false teaching as well. It is heresy my dear friend. Study the Word; not just the parts you like, but read the parts you don't like as well, and if you are born again, then ask God to reveal the Word to you by His Holy Spirit.

We are trully in the end times, and whether Bono, and/or Clinton will be participants in pushing for the "global peace" and one world religeon that the antichrist will be forcing upon the world, I do not know, but the Bible warns that "global peace" will not occur trully on this earth until Christ returns and detroys His enemy's, and the antichrist, and the false prophet and then He will rule and reign, and true peace will be on the earth. Do not be deceived. I pray that God will somehow open your eyes to His Word, and that He would give you discernment about these things.less

I will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately t...more

I will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately turned their backs on Him and His Son - Jesus Christ because of their obstinate rebellion and continual rejection of His Son. Read the Bible in context, and then comment on it. We cannot, and should not have felowship with those who claim to be Christians yet don't obey His Word, and HIs Salvation Message. The post modern liberal Emergent church, and it's seeker sensitive counterparts want people to believe that if we all save the environment, and save the whales, the events of the Book of Revelation will not happen, and we can actually prevent it from happening. This similar social gospel which claims that we should make the world a better place, and usher in peace prior to Jesus' second coming, as well as unite with all people of faiths has been adopted by Rick Warren, and has caused whole splits in the Southern Baptist Convention, because he has gone down the Purpose Driven P.E.A.C.E Plan agenda, which by the way is a false doctrine my friends. These movements which align themselves with Bono from U2 and the whole COEXIST crowd have more in common with humanism, one world religeon, and the new age than what the Bible says will transpire. The problem today is that we have so many "Bible teachers" who are more motivational speakers than true shepherd's of the flock of God. No wonder the Body of Christ is split. The Bible talks of a great falling away in the end times. Men will naturally gravitate towards what their "itching ears" want to hear. What more itching do you need than what you hear on TBN, and the like: "find success", "you are the controller of your own destiny" "God will prosper you if you just have faith [and send me your money]". They take Scripture out of context to suit their own desires, and fleece the flock of God for their own matierial gain. OPEN YOUR EYES and STUDY the WORD IN CONTEXT; for Christ will return soon.less

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticis...more

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticism wich is really new age.

Read up more on the social liberalism of the emergent church, and the many seductive false doctrines such as contemplative prayer (which is really eastern mysticism), the bringing back of icons to "feel" God move in people's midsts, you can eve read up on Brian Mclaren's (The man who is credited to being the founder of this liberal church movement) view, as well as many of their leaders views on hell and homosexuality, and you will see they are totally extra biblical. you can find more info on this at www.understandthetimes.org, and www.apprising.org.

The emergent church preaches an extra biblical gospel that is more in line with the new age than it is with Sound Doctrine based Biblical Christianity. Many of them - to mention one - Tony Campolo recently told a young reader how to have a born again experience thru contemplative prayer! Imagine that, the Bible says there is only one way to God and that is Jesus Christ, and here is a so called evangelical preacher (not really evangelical even though he calls himself this) and he is teaching an eastern mystical practice taught in the Roman Catholic Church and the Jessuit Order. Now imagine that, he is adoptig practices from a church that teaches the deification of Mary as being co-redemptrix with Christ. This is heresy my brother, and we need to exhort others in love, and pray for their eyes to be quickly opened to this deception in the church; that they may see this for what it is, and that the Holy Spirit in mercy and grace may convict their hearts to repent and come back.less

I will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately t...more

I will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately turned their backs on Him and His Son - Jesus Christ because of their obstinate rebellion and continual rejection of His Son. Read the Bible in context, and then comment on it. We cannot, and should not have felowship with those who claim to be Christians yet don't obey His Word, and HIs Salvation Message. The post modern liberal Emergent church, and it's seeker sensitive counterparts want people to believe that if we all save the environment, and save the whales, the events of the Book of Revelation will not happen, and we can actually prevent it from happening. This similar social gospel which claims that we should make the world a better place, and usher in peace prior to Jesus' second coming, as well as unite with all people of faiths has been adopted by Rick Warren, and has caused whole splits in the Southern Baptist Convention, because he has gone down the Purpose Driven P.E.A.C.E Plan agenda, which by the way is a false doctrine my friends. These movements which align themselves with Bono from U2 and the whole COEXIST crowd have more in common with humanism, one world religeon, and the new age than what the Bible says will transpire. The problem today is that we have so many "Bible teachers" who are more motivational speakers than true shepherd's of the flock of God. No wonder the Body of Christ is split. The Bible talks of a great falling away in the end times. Men will naturally gravitate towards what their "itching ears" want to hear. What more itching do you need than what you hear on TBN, and the like: "find success", "you are the controller of your own destiny" "God will prosper you if you just have faith [and send me your money]". They take Scripture out of context to suit their own desires, and fleece the flock of God for their own matierial gain. OPEN YOUR EYES and STUDY the WORD IN CONTEXT; for Christ will return soon.less

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticis...more

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticism wich is really new age.

Read up more on the social liberalism of the emergent church, and the many seductive false doctrines such as contemplative prayer (which is really eastern mysticism), the bringing back of icons to "feel" God move in people's midsts, you can eve read up on Brian Mclaren's (The man who is credited to being the founder of this liberal church movement) view, as well as many of their leaders views on hell and homosexuality, and you will see they are totally extra biblical. you can find more info on this at www.understandthetimes.org, and www.apprising.org.

The emergent church preaches an extra biblical gospel that is more in line with the new age than it is with Sound Doctrine based Biblical Christianity. Many of them - to mention one - Tony Campolo recently told a young reader how to have a born again experience thru contemplative prayer! Imagine that, the Bible says there is only one way to God and that is Jesus Christ, and here is a so called evangelical preacher (not really evangelical even though he calls himself this) and he is teaching an eastern mystical practice taught in the Roman Catholic Church and the Jessuit Order. Now imagine that, he is adoptig practices from a church that teaches the deification of Mary as being co-redemptrix with Christ. This is heresy my brother, and we need to exhort others in love, and pray for their eyes to be quickly opened to this deception in the church; that they may see this for what it is, and that the Holy Spirit in mercy and grace may convict their hearts to repent and come back.less

I find it funny that the Christian Post had an article where Rick Warren was exhorting Christians on not to be divisive, and used some tidbits of Scriptures here and there to prove his topical statement. However, he did not take into light that his "purpose driven" series has caused tremendous splits in the Southern Baptist Convention, as well as other movements of God. In addition, wh...more

I find it funny that the Christian Post had an article where Rick Warren was exhorting Christians on not to be divisive, and used some tidbits of Scriptures here and there to prove his topical statement. However, he did not take into light that his "purpose driven" series has caused tremendous splits in the Southern Baptist Convention, as well as other movements of God. In addition, when one stands for sound doctrine in light of the Scriptures and contends earnestly for the faith (everything done in love, in decensy and in order) that in and of itself somehow tends to be bring some division between those who side with the Bible, and those who take some Scriptures out of the Bible and teist them to feed their own agenda's.less

Amen and Amen to all who side with the Whole Counsel of God and Sound Dcotrine. Rick Warren is a "seeker-sensitive" pastor and has sided with the liberal/post modern emerging church movements. His methods are man driven regardless of their purposes. He needs to repent of this "social-gospel" and get back into line by line, precept upon precept teaching of the Word of God in ...more

Amen and Amen to all who side with the Whole Counsel of God and Sound Dcotrine. Rick Warren is a "seeker-sensitive" pastor and has sided with the liberal/post modern emerging church movements. His methods are man driven regardless of their purposes. He needs to repent of this "social-gospel" and get back into line by line, precept upon precept teaching of the Word of God in context.less

The same heresy follows those in the seed faith/word faith/ name it and claim it prosperity gospels who say that we, as mere humans can speak things into existence, as if we're God. NO, that is nonsense, we are the creation, and GOD is the CREATOR. He is the only one who can speak things into existence. He alone spoke the universe and the earth into existence. He and He alone holds the po...more

The same heresy follows those in the seed faith/word faith/ name it and claim it prosperity gospels who say that we, as mere humans can speak things into existence, as if we're God. NO, that is nonsense, we are the creation, and GOD is the CREATOR. He is the only one who can speak things into existence. He alone spoke the universe and the earth into existence. He and He alone holds the power to life and death. He and He alone controls where we are born, and the boundaries of our dwelling. Who am I that God is mindful of me? Many on the seed faith TBN pulpit are peddling the Word of God for financial gain, and they will not have to answer to the Senate Finance Committee, but to God. I have been in a church service where a so called "annointed" faith teacher said that God told him that there was someone in the audience who had a stomach issue, and that God had told him not to be alarmed at what he was about to do, but that he was supposed to slap her in the stomach to cast that sickness out of her. To my amazement, the woman stood there while the man slapped her in the stomach, and she just kinda looked like she was in pain after the fact. The same man said that he wanted a jet airplane, and that God was his daddy, and if he asked his daddy for the jet airplane, that God would give it to him. He stood there on the pulpit of the curch i was visiting boasting about how God had gien him a house on the side of a mountain or a hill, and that people would drive by and look at the preacher's house with the Miami Palms, and he would smile, and say, daddy gave it to me. Now where in the Gospels or the Epistles did you see any of the Apostles asking for material waealth or condonong tht wealth as a condition of having much faith? Jesus Crist the Son of God did not have a place to lay his head. Church history and Bible historians show that all of the Apostles were martyred for their faith and witness of Christ with the exception of John who was stuck in a pot of boiling oil, but he survived. Where's the prosperity gospel here? Did not these prescious saints love God and have perhaps more faith than us, and trully live out the Christian life in holiness ad reverence? Yes they did, and they gave up evrything even to the death. God does not call everyone to die a martyrs death, but He does not promise everyone problemless life filled with Rolls Royces, and Leer Jets. What do these Prosperity Evangelists have to say to the home missionaries in India and other parts of the 10/40 window who go without food sometimes for days. What we should be is thankful and eternally grateful, because our true reward is in heaven. And Christ died and rose from the dead to save us wretched sinners from eternal seperation from God in hell. I can only hope that those who have peddled God's Word for financial gain would repent and turn from what they are doing.less

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticis...more

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticism wich is really new age.

Read up more on the social liberalism of the emergent church, and the many seductive false doctrines such as contemplative prayer (which is really eastern mysticism), the bringing back of icons to "feel" God move in people's midsts, you can eve read up on Brian Mclaren's (The man who is credited to being the founder of this liberal church movement) view, as well as many of their leaders views on hell and homosexuality, and you will see they are totally extra biblical. you can find more info on this at www.understandthetimes.org, and www.apprising.org.

The emergent church preaches an extra biblical gospel that is more in line with the new age than it is with Sound Doctrine based Biblical Christianity. Many of them - to mention one - Tony Campolo recently told a young reader how to have a born again experience thru contemplative prayer! Imagine that, the Bible says there is only one way to God and that is Jesus Christ, and here is a so called evangelical preacher (not really evangelical even though he calls himself this) and he is teaching an eastern mystical practice taught in the Roman Catholic Church and the Jessuit Order. Now imagine that, he is adoptig practices from a church that teaches the deification of Mary as being co-redemptrix with Christ. This is heresy my brother, and we need to exhort others in love, and pray for their eyes to be quickly opened to this deception in the church; that they may see this for what it is, and that the Holy Spirit in mercy and grace may convict their hearts to repent and come back.less

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticis...more

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticism wich is really new age.

Read up more on the social liberalism of the emergent church, and the many seductive false doctrines such as contemplative prayer (which is really eastern mysticism), the bringing back of icons to "feel" God move in people's midsts, you can eve read up on Brian Mclaren's (The man who is credited to being the founder of this liberal church movement) view, as well as many of their leaders views on hell and homosexuality, and you will see they are totally extra biblical. you can find more info on this at www.understandthetimes.org, and www.apprising.org.

The emergent church preaches an extra biblical gospel that is more in line with the new age than it is with Sound Doctrine based Biblical Christianity. Many of them - to mention one - Tony Campolo recently told a young reader how to have a born again experience thru contemplative prayer! Imagine that, the Bible says there is only one way to God and that is Jesus Christ, and here is a so called evangelical preacher (not really evangelical even though he calls himself this) and he is teaching an eastern mystical practice taught in the Roman Catholic Church and the Jessuit Order. Now imagine that, he is adoptig practices from a church that teaches the deification of Mary as being co-redemptrix with Christ. This is heresy my brother, and we need to exhort others in love, and pray for their eyes to be quickly opened to this deception in the church; that they may see this for what it is, and that the Holy Spirit in mercy and grace may convict their hearts to repent and come back.less

will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately tur...more

will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately turned their backs on Him and His Son - Jesus Christ because of their obstinate rebellion and continual rejection of His Son. Read the Bible in context, and then comment on it. We cannot, and should not have felowship with those who claim to be Christians yet don't obey His Word, and HIs Salvation Message. The post modern liberal Emergent church, and it's seeker sensitive counterparts want people to believe that if we all save the environment, and save the whales, the events of the Book of Revelation will not happen, and we can actually prevent it from happening. This similar social gospel which claims that we should make the world a better place, and usher in peace prior to Jesus' second coming, as well as unite with all people of faiths has been adopted by Rick Warren, and has caused whole splits in the Southern Baptist Convention, because he has gone down the Purpose Driven P.E.A.C.E Plan agenda, which by the way is a false doctrine my friends. These movements which align themselves with Bono from U2 and the whole COEXIST crowd have more in common with humanism, one world religeon, and the new age than what the Bible says will transpire. The problem today is that we have so many "Bible teachers" who are more motivational speakers than true shepherd's of the flock of God. No wonder the Body of Christ is split. The Bible talks of a great falling away in the end times. Men will naturally gravitate towards what their "itching ears" want to hear. What more itching do you need than what you hear on TBN, and the like: "find success", "you are the controller of your own destiny" "God will prosper you if you just have faith [and send me your money]". They take Scripture out of context to suit their own desires, and fleece the flock of God for their own matierial gain. OPEN YOUR EYES and STUDY the WORD IN CONTEXT; for Christ will return soon.less