paulbrown wrote: "I am amazed at the amount of hatred that is present in any Christian discussion of Hillary Clinton. Certainly she has policies that I disagree with, but she is a fellow human being, a sister in Christ, and someone who is trying to help her fellow humankind (particularly here, with AIDS). What has she done that has made all of you hate her so?" What biblical ground...more

paulbrown wrote:

"I am amazed at the amount of hatred that is present in any Christian discussion of Hillary Clinton. Certainly she has policies that I disagree with, but she is a fellow human being, a sister in Christ, and someone who is trying to help her fellow humankind (particularly here, with AIDS). What has she done that has made all of you hate her so?"

What biblical grounds do you have to defend this woman who stands for everything anti biblical, and just cause she comes up with a humanitarian cause, then we should automatically think she's a sister in Christ? NO, she is not a born again Christian as the Bible defines one, and even if she had a Methodist upbringing, does not mean that she has made a personal confession of faith, and repented of her stances on many, if not all the ungodly things she has stood by in this country, and currently still stands by. She is a secular progressive, and Rick Warren is a liberal/progressive/post modern/emergent "Christian" who teaches bits and pieces from the Word only to push forward with his "man driven" church, but fails to teach the whole counsel of God. His message is one of "seeker sensitivity", a message that tickles the ears of the hearers.less

hopefully Bill Hybels will now repent of the seeker sensitive model, and start preaching about sin, repentance, the Blood of Jesus, the Cross, and the Ressurrection, as well as forgiveness. I hope he starts teaching the Word Expositorily so those "baby" christians can grow in their faith. John 14:6 (New King James Version) New King James Version (NKJV) Copyright © 1982 by Thom...more

hopefully Bill Hybels will now repent of the seeker sensitive model, and start preaching about sin, repentance, the Blood of Jesus, the Cross, and the Ressurrection, as well as forgiveness. I hope he starts teaching the Word Expositorily so those "baby" christians can grow in their faith.

John 14:6 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.


6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Matthew 7:13
[ The Narrow Way ] “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
Matthew 7:12-14 (in Context) Matthew 7 (Whole Chapter)
Matthew 7:14
Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Matthew 7:13-15 (in Context) Matthew 7 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 13:24
“Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:23-25 (in Context) Luke 13 (Whole Chapter)less

I will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately t...more

I will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately turned their backs on Him and His Son - Jesus Christ because of their obstinate rebellion and continual rejection of His Son. Read the Bible in context, and then comment on it. We cannot, and should not have felowship with those who claim to be Christians yet don't obey His Word, and HIs Salvation Message. The post modern liberal Emergent church, and it's seeker sensitive counterparts want people to believe that if we all save the environment, and save the whales, the events of the Book of Revelation will not happen, and we can actually prevent it from happening. This similar social gospel which claims that we should make the world a better place, and usher in peace prior to Jesus' second coming, as well as unite with all people of faiths has been adopted by Rick Warren, and has caused whole splits in the Southern Baptist Convention, because he has gone down the Purpose Driven P.E.A.C.E Plan agenda, which by the way is a false doctrine my friends. These movements which align themselves with Bono from U2 and the whole COEXIST crowd have more in common with humanism, one world religeon, and the new age than what the Bible says will transpire. The problem today is that we have so many "Bible teachers" who are more motivational speakers than true shepherd's of the flock of God. No wonder the Body of Christ is split. The Bible talks of a great falling away in the end times. Men will naturally gravitate towards what their "itching ears" want to hear. What more itching do you need than what you hear on TBN, and the like: "find success", "you are the controller of your own destiny" "God will prosper you if you just have faith [and send me your money]". They take Scripture out of context to suit their own desires, and fleece the flock of God for their own matierial gain. OPEN YOUR EYES and STUDY the WORD IN CONTEXT; for Christ will return soon.less

I will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately t...more

I will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately turned their backs on Him and His Son - Jesus Christ because of their obstinate rebellion and continual rejection of His Son. Read the Bible in context, and then comment on it. We cannot, and should not have felowship with those who claim to be Christians yet don't obey His Word, and HIs Salvation Message. The post modern liberal Emergent church, and it's seeker sensitive counterparts want people to believe that if we all save the environment, and save the whales, the events of the Book of Revelation will not happen, and we can actually prevent it from happening. This similar social gospel which claims that we should make the world a better place, and usher in peace prior to Jesus' second coming, as well as unite with all people of faiths has been adopted by Rick Warren, and has caused whole splits in the Southern Baptist Convention, because he has gone down the Purpose Driven P.E.A.C.E Plan agenda, which by the way is a false doctrine my friends. These movements which align themselves with Bono from U2 and the whole COEXIST crowd have more in common with humanism, one world religeon, and the new age than what the Bible says will transpire. The problem today is that we have so many "Bible teachers" who are more motivational speakers than true shepherd's of the flock of God. No wonder the Body of Christ is split. The Bible talks of a great falling away in the end times. Men will naturally gravitate towards what their "itching ears" want to hear. What more itching do you need than what you hear on TBN, and the like: "find success", "you are the controller of your own destiny" "God will prosper you if you just have faith [and send me your money]". They take Scripture out of context to suit their own desires, and fleece the flock of God for their own matierial gain. OPEN YOUR EYES and STUDY the WORD IN CONTEXT; for Christ will return soon.less

I will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately t...more

I will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately turned their backs on Him and His Son - Jesus Christ because of their obstinate rebellion and continual rejection of His Son. Read the Bible in context, and then comment on it. We cannot, and should not have felowship with those who claim to be Christians yet don't obey His Word, and HIs Salvation Message. The post modern liberal Emergent church, and it's seeker sensitive counterparts want people to believe that if we all save the environment, and save the whales, the events of the Book of Revelation will not happen, and we can actually prevent it from happening. This similar social gospel which claims that we should make the world a better place, and usher in peace prior to Jesus' second coming, as well as unite with all people of faiths has been adopted by Rick Warren, and has caused whole splits in the Southern Baptist Convention, because he has gone down the Purpose Driven P.E.A.C.E Plan agenda, which by the way is a false doctrine my friends. These movements which align themselves with Bono from U2 and the whole COEXIST crowd have more in common with humanism, one world religeon, and the new age than what the Bible says will transpire. The problem today is that we have so many "Bible teachers" who are more motivational speakers than true shepherd's of the flock of God. No wonder the Body of Christ is split. The Bible talks of a great falling away in the end times. Men will naturally gravitate towards what their "itching ears" want to hear. What more itching do you need than what you hear on TBN, and the like: "find success", "you are the controller of your own destiny" "God will prosper you if you just have faith [and send me your money]". They take Scripture out of context to suit their own desires, and fleece the flock of God for their own matierial gain. OPEN YOUR EYES and STUDY the WORD IN CONTEXT; for Christ will return soon.less

I will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately t...more

I will say this as tactfully, and as lovingly as I can to all who side with Rick Warren in this ecumenical drive to unite the worlds religeons. Be warned, for this is what the Bible says: God is gracious and merciful, and will forgive those who turn to Him thru Jesus Christ with a repentant heart, and choose to fllow Him. However, He is the Righteous God, and He will judge those who deliberately turned their backs on Him and His Son - Jesus Christ because of their obstinate rebellion and continual rejection of His Son. Read the Bible in context, and then comment on it. We cannot, and should not have felowship with those who claim to be Christians yet don't obey His Word, and HIs Salvation Message. The post modern liberal Emergent church, and it's seeker sensitive counterparts want people to believe that if we all save the environment, and save the whales, the events of the Book of Revelation will not happen, and we can actually prevent it from happening. This similar social gospel which claims that we should make the world a better place, and usher in peace prior to Jesus' second coming, as well as unite with all people of faiths has been adopted by Rick Warren, and has caused whole splits in the Southern Baptist Convention, because he has gone down the Purpose Driven P.E.A.C.E Plan agenda, which by the way is a false doctrine my friends. These movements which align themselves with Bono from U2 and the whole COEXIST crowd have more in common with humanism, one world religeon, and the new age than what the Bible says will transpire. The problem today is that we have so many "Bible teachers" who are more motivational speakers than true shepherd's of the flock of God. No wonder the Body of Christ is split. The Bible talks of a great falling away in the end times. Men will naturally gravitate towards what their "itching ears" want to hear. What more itching do you need than what you hear on TBN, and the like: "find success", "you are the controller of your own destiny" "God will prosper you if you just have faith [and send me your money]". They take Scripture out of context to suit their own desires, and fleece the flock of God for their own matierial gain. OPEN YOUR EYES and STUDY the WORD IN CONTEXT; for Christ will return soon.less

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticis...more

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticism wich is really new age.

Read up more on the social liberalism of the emergent church, and the many seductive false doctrines such as contemplative prayer (which is really eastern mysticism), the bringing back of icons to "feel" God move in people's midsts, you can eve read up on Brian Mclaren's (The man who is credited to being the founder of this liberal church movement) view, as well as many of their leaders views on hell and homosexuality, and you will see they are totally extra biblical. you can find more info on this at www.understandthetimes.org, and www.apprising.org.

The emergent church preaches an extra biblical gospel that is more in line with the new age than it is with Sound Doctrine based Biblical Christianity. Many of them - to mention one - Tony Campolo recently told a young reader how to have a born again experience thru contemplative prayer! Imagine that, the Bible says there is only one way to God and that is Jesus Christ, and here is a so called evangelical preacher (not really evangelical even though he calls himself this) and he is teaching an eastern mystical practice taught in the Roman Catholic Church and the Jessuit Order. Now imagine that, he is adoptig practices from a church that teaches the deification of Mary as being co-redemptrix with Christ. This is heresy my brother, and we need to exhort others in love, and pray for their eyes to be quickly opened to this deception in the church; that they may see this for what it is, and that the Holy Spirit in mercy and grace may convict their hearts to repent and come back.less

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticis...more

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticism wich is really new age.

Read up more on the social liberalism of the emergent church, and the many seductive false doctrines such as contemplative prayer (which is really eastern mysticism), the bringing back of icons to "feel" God move in people's midsts, you can eve read up on Brian Mclaren's (The man who is credited to being the founder of this liberal church movement) view, as well as many of their leaders views on hell and homosexuality, and you will see they are totally extra biblical. you can find more info on this at www.understandthetimes.org, and www.apprising.org.

The emergent church preaches an extra biblical gospel that is more in line with the new age than it is with Sound Doctrine based Biblical Christianity. Many of them - to mention one - Tony Campolo recently told a young reader how to have a born again experience thru contemplative prayer! Imagine that, the Bible says there is only one way to God and that is Jesus Christ, and here is a so called evangelical preacher (not really evangelical even though he calls himself this) and he is teaching an eastern mystical practice taught in the Roman Catholic Church and the Jessuit Order. Now imagine that, he is adoptig practices from a church that teaches the deification of Mary as being co-redemptrix with Christ. This is heresy my brother, and we need to exhort others in love, and pray for their eyes to be quickly opened to this deception in the church; that they may see this for what it is, and that the Holy Spirit in mercy and grace may convict their hearts to repent and come back.less

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticis...more

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticism wich is really new age.

Read up more on the social liberalism of the emergent church, and the many seductive false doctrines such as contemplative prayer (which is really eastern mysticism), the bringing back of icons to "feel" God move in people's midsts, you can eve read up on Brian Mclaren's (The man who is credited to being the founder of this liberal church movement) view, as well as many of their leaders views on hell and homosexuality, and you will see they are totally extra biblical. you can find more info on this at www.understandthetimes.org, and www.apprising.org.

The emergent church preaches an extra biblical gospel that is more in line with the new age than it is with Sound Doctrine based Biblical Christianity. Many of them - to mention one - Tony Campolo recently told a young reader how to have a born again experience thru contemplative prayer! Imagine that, the Bible says there is only one way to God and that is Jesus Christ, and here is a so called evangelical preacher (not really evangelical even though he calls himself this) and he is teaching an eastern mystical practice taught in the Roman Catholic Church and the Jessuit Order. Now imagine that, he is adoptig practices from a church that teaches the deification of Mary as being co-redemptrix with Christ. This is heresy my brother, and we need to exhort others in love, and pray for their eyes to be quickly opened to this deception in the church; that they may see this for what it is, and that the Holy Spirit in mercy and grace may convict their hearts to repent and come back.less

Peter 4 1 Therefore, since Christ suffered for us[a] in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, 2 that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God. 3 For we have spent enough of our past lifetime[b] in doing the will of the Gentiles—when we walked in lewdness, lus...more

Peter 4
1 Therefore, since Christ suffered for us[a] in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, 2 that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God. 3 For we have spent enough of our past lifetime[b] in doing the will of the Gentiles—when we walked in lewdness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries. 4 In regard to these, they think it strange that you do not run with them in the same flood of dissipation, speaking evil of you. 5 They will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.less

akonda, i think the calvinism you are referring to is 5 point tulip of calvinism. I think the Bible teaches both election, and man's free will. therefoe to teach 5 point calvinism is wrong, but it is equally wrong to teach straight armenianism.

rubinlueski: whay don't you say what you just said to the Founding Fathers of our country - Benjamin Rush in specifics about keeping the Ten Commandments out of the public square.

ggmusic: Go find out what the Gospel of Christ says about the Gospel of Christ. Go study the Gospels, the Book of Acts,the letters to the Corinthian Churches, the Epistles and the Book of Revelation, and then and only ten comment on what you just asked me, and on your previous comment as to whether they are emergent or not. I am not saying we should not help people wit AIDS. I'm simply ...more

ggmusic: Go find out what the Gospel of Christ says about the Gospel of Christ. Go study the Gospels, the Book of Acts,the letters to the Corinthian Churches, the Epistles and the Book of Revelation, and then and only ten comment on what you just asked me, and on your previous comment as to whether they are emergent or not.

I am not saying we should not help people wit AIDS. I'm simply saying that we must first give people what is to change their lives from the inside - that is the Gospel of Christ so they can choose or reject Christ, ad then we are to help their physical needs. I don't know what Bible you're reading, but it's sure not the same one I read.less

Kybarsfang, I would also like for you to explain if God initially wanted homosexuality to be a part of His overall plan, then why would HE create Adam and Eve, and not Adam ad Steve. God Created man with a penis, and woman with a vagina for enjoyment and procreating, but wen you consider what homosexual sex endorses, it is totally sick. There is nothing holy about anal and oral sex between two c...more

Kybarsfang, I would also like for you to explain if God initially wanted homosexuality to be a part of His overall plan, then why would HE create Adam and Eve, and not Adam ad Steve. God Created man with a penis, and woman with a vagina for enjoyment and procreating, but wen you consider what homosexual sex endorses, it is totally sick. There is nothing holy about anal and oral sex between two consenting homosexual males, and oral sex along with strap on devices for homosexual female couples, then why would God endorse homosexuality? And, just for the record, hermaphrodites are not born homosexuals, they just happen to have an abnormality in their body, which is totally different to lets say you having an unatural inclination as a male to have sex with another male, and wating to rewrite Scripture to adapt to your inclination/sin nature.less

Continued to Kybarsfang: Let me make it clear once more and very clear, I do not believe that anyone should be rewriting the Bible to suit to anyone’s sins. I again was making a comparison of how foolish it is when people think homosexual behavior can't be proven biblically, and if that becomes common ground for people to believe, then might as well include all the other sinners with...more

Continued to Kybarsfang:

Let me make it clear once more and very clear, I do not believe that anyone should be rewriting the Bible to suit to anyone’s sins. I again was making a comparison of how foolish it is when people think homosexual behavior can't be proven biblically, and if that becomes common ground for people to believe, then might as well include all the other sinners with a seeker sensitive translation. Do you get my point now? I still think homosexuality as well as all those other sins and the many more written in Scriptures are sin, but when people like Kevin VT say homosexuality is nowhere to be found in the Bible, it is a lie on his part, and he is being extremely intellectually dishonest.

By the way kybarsfang, i did not and will not say that all people with a homosexual tendency are pedophiles or people who have sex with animals. However, i will say that most if not all in NAMBLA are homosexuals and they are pedophiles, so to negate the fact that they have a huge part in promoting homosexuality and the connection between some homosexuals and pedophilia would be intellectually ignorant, as well as misleading on my part. I did not mean to lump you in with NAMBLA; nor do I think you are a pedophile for being homosexual. I am glad that you find them a detestable organization as do I, but I still think you need to seriously consider the Bible when it shows homosexuality as a clear sin just like adultery, fornication, etc.


I also would like to know what your views on GLSTN are, and what they are doing in the public schools with our tax payer dollars.less

kybarsfang wrote: "And for you and the others on here who say that the bible can be rewritten to "be sensitive to the murderer, the fornicator, the wife beater, the serial killer and the adulterer as well," I challenge you to do so. Show that there are passages in the bible, based on the original text and that context of that text, that promotes those things as being okay. I'...more

kybarsfang wrote:

"And for you and the others on here who say that the bible can be rewritten to "be sensitive to the murderer, the fornicator, the wife beater, the serial killer and the adulterer as well," I challenge you to do so. Show that there are passages in the bible, based on the original text and that context of that text, that promotes those things as being okay. I've heard each of those groups justifying themselves with the Bible, but so far I haven't seen a study or report yet that says that the original text does not implicate those groups. Until you can bring forth the same points I'm trying to bring up, about misinterpretation in today's doctrine, how can you lump homosexuality with those sins? "

I am not endorsing rewriting the Bible to be sensitive to muderers, and serial killers, and adulterers, liars, and what not. My premise is that if the Bible, the clear and concise Word of God teaches that all these sins including HOMOSEXUALITY is a sin, then the people who condone homosexal behavior by rewriting the Bible and endorse the rewriting of Scripture really have not leg to stand on. In other words, if you are going to accept rewriting the Word (which I am strictly against), then you would also have to lump up all those other sins the Bible clearly shows as sins and rewrite it from a post modern perspective for those who feel the same way you do about homosexuality. I was just trying to make a point and was being sarcastic about it to point the futility in the argument by many secualar progressives, as well as many who call themselves Christians and are clearly endorsing this lady in doing what she is doing.less

Continued: I suppose the word "catamite" referred to in the 1 letter to the Corinthian Church written by the Apostle Paul which in roman times was an adult male who used a male boy for sexual pleasure really has no implication for modern times, since NAMBLA, one of the so called champions of the homosexual cause actually endorses pedophilia, but no, no application for modern times her...more

Continued:

I suppose the word "catamite" referred to in the 1 letter to the Corinthian Church written by the Apostle Paul which in roman times was an adult male who used a male boy for sexual pleasure really has no implication for modern times, since NAMBLA, one of the so called champions of the homosexual cause actually endorses pedophilia, but no, no application for modern times here; no I don’t see any facts, do you, nope.

Hmmmmm, funny that some of the pro-homosexual people here are saying homosexuality is a modern concept when the scholar Mrs Nylan who is rewriting and reinterpreting the Scriptures from a post modern, liberal perspective is taking nearly 2000 years of God’s Word in it's original context and rewriting it to mean some other definition. She is saying she has the true translation to the Scriptures –of course, nearly 2000 years after the original writers wrote it.

No, never mind the facts we've presented, let's look at a woman who is clearly a post modern emergent who has decided to rewrite the Scriptures, and take that as fact, because after all, the post moden liberals would love to make the Bible morally relative today; just like our culture is. Hmm…hint, hint….. I ask, hey Kevin VT, and Kybarsfang, why not just rewrite the Bible to be sensitive to the murderer, the fornicator, the wife beater, the serial killer and the adulterer as well, and while she's at it, why not reinterpret the Word for the liar and the thief and the pedophile, and people who have sex with animals too.

It's also funny how groups like GLSTN have also interjected their homosexual agenda in the public schools of South Florida, as well as other places around the country, but the pro-homosexual so-called "Christians" think it's derogatory to bring up groups like this when talking about the depravity of homosexual sin, but i guess we're the bigots who bring up the facts.less

TPRBABE wrote: "OK, so let me get this straight. The gay man who plays the "woman" in the relationship would not be homosexual, it's the gay man who plays the "man" who is homosexual because he penetrates the other man's anus? <scratching head ...> I'm no "classical Greek lexicographer" like Ms. Nyland, but I do know how to look up t...more

TPRBABE wrote:

"OK, so let me get this straight. The gay man who plays the "woman" in the relationship would not be homosexual, it's the gay man who plays the "man" who is homosexual because he penetrates the other man's anus?

<scratching head ...>

I'm no "classical Greek lexicographer" like Ms. Nyland, but I do know how to look up the roots of words. "Arsenokoites" is a compound word, made from the combination of "Arsen" (male) and "Koites" (sexual union - where we get the word 'coitus').

In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, it can't mean female fornicators ("Pornos") or adulterers ("Moichos"), since they are different words altogether, and Paul already named those two groups as not inheriting the kingdom of God anyway. The only people left to have sex with men, then, would be other men ... so silly me; I guess that men having sex with other men are homosexual. Now why didn't I think of that?"

You're so right on tuprbabe, and to think that someone as scholarly as KevinVT would write:

""a social liberal scholar who has twisted the meaning of the Greek out of context to endorse homosexuality, and has gone so far as to re-write the Bible "

Actually you have it exactly backwards: she's the scholar who knows what the original Greek in context would have meant. It's you folks who have twisted the meaning into something meaning "homosexual." There was no concept of homosexual in Biblical times. Did not exist. No word for it in any language. It's a modern concept. Sorry.

And interesting that some of you admit you are homophobic, as well as demonstrating it."less

no problem GMG. I just want to make people aware in this post modern culture the dangers of the emergent church movement. And, yes, I agree with both you and nerhodam wholeheartedly on showing Christ-like compassion to those in need by helping their physical needs, but we need to be careful not to use wordly ways of doing so. The church needs to influence the world; not the world influence the ...more

no problem GMG. I just want to make people aware in this post modern culture the dangers of the emergent church movement. And, yes, I agree with both you and nerhodam wholeheartedly on showing Christ-like compassion to those in need by helping their physical needs, but we need to be careful not to use wordly ways of doing so. The church needs to influence the world; not the world influence the church. What many of these movements are doing is showing humanitarian compassion, but not sharing the Good News of Jesus Christ. In this case, the Warrens have endorsed an ecumenical forum of democrats and republicans (believers and non believers alike) (light and darkness working together) trying to figure out a human solution to a clearly spiritual problem.

If you don't address the root cause of AIDS, then you will mearly put a bandade on the disease, and not address the true issues behind why it spreads. I do believe in educating peple on AIDS, but I believe if people were just to repent of their sins, and give their hearts to Jesus Christ as Lord and as Savior, and if they would read their Bibles more and see what God has to say about homosexuality, bi-sexuality, bestiality, pedophilia, adultery, fornication, pornography, drug use, and other forms of sex sex outside the confines of God's order of marriage between one man and one woman, then we would't be in such a rut financially as well as emotionally about the issue. I say there are many missionary organizations that preach the Gospel Truth out there and while their preaching and teaching the Truth, they then address the Physical sicknesses of the people. One of them is Gospel for Asia. There are thers, but we need to remember that this "Purpose Driven" Agenda is more man driven than Jesus Driven, and we must be on the lookout for a very real enemy called Satan who disguises himself as an angel of light and will try to deceive even the elect if that were possible. Jesus Christ is the true healer of our hearts and our behaviors and our sins, and every other twisted thing in this world if we only come and confess to Him our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness.less

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticis...more

I am convinced Jesus will return soon for His Bride, and we are living in the end times brother, and make no mistake about it, the "emergent conversation", the "emergent church", the COEXIST Movement, and BOno from U2 along with the Rick Warrens of the world with their social gospel are creating a "bridge" between Christianity and Eaastern as well as Catholic Mysticism wich is really new age.

Read up more on the social liberalism of the emergent church, and the many seductive false doctrines such as contemplative prayer (which is really eastern mysticism), the bringing back of icons to "feel" God move in people's midsts, you can eve read up on Brian Mclaren's (The man who is credited to being the founder of this liberal church movement) view, as well as many of their leaders views on hell and homosexuality, and you will see they are totally extra biblical. you can find more info on this at www.understandthetimes.org, and www.apprising.org.

The emergent church preaches an extra biblical gospel that is more in line with the new age than it is with Sound Doctrine based Biblical Christianity. Many of them - to mention one - Tony Campolo recently told a young reader how to have a born again experience thru contemplative prayer! Imagine that, the Bible says there is only one way to God and that is Jesus Christ, and here is a so called evangelical preacher (not really evangelical even though he calls himself this) and he is teaching an eastern mystical practice taught in the Roman Catholic Church and the Jessuit Order. Now imagine that, he is adoptig practices from a church that teaches the deification of Mary as being co-redemptrix with Christ. This is heresy my brother, and we need to exhort others in love, and pray for their eyes to be quickly opened to this deception in the church; that they may see this for what it is, and that the Holy Spirit in mercy and grace may convict their hearts to repent and come back.less