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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)
jjdiogenes's Comments
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scientist3: Thanks for the response, yes the first two letters are "jay, jay." There are many other studies besides the one you mention (and no mathetes, it wasn't the first study). I haven't read the Yarmouth study you mention but will look it up.
Like johnzon, I know many gay people and all of them say they were born that way as they knew at a young age they were gay just like you probably knew at a young age you were straight (I knew I was straight from a young age). Plus, it's a precarious position for fundamentalist christians to be in as real science does make it hard to take that stance (evolution, helio-centrism, etc). -
scientist3: Clearly your moniker is a misnomer. There are studies that suggest / say that being gay is more nature and less nurture. Read up on it, Google it, become educated.
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Hohnson: There are only a handful of christians that I respect on this board (you, ifeelfine, a few others) as it seems like they have asked some of the tough questions and answered with an honest "I don't know." I have to say as a former christian and now non-christian, I find that refreshing. . . being a Michigan State grad, I'll ignore that you're an OSU fan. :)
As a non-christian, I'm glad that you are asking those questions but how did you get to the point where you could live with "I don't know?"
Like you, I feel the bible is relative and reflects the biases of the person reading it (Daniel Paul, Mathetes, believer, being good examples). How do you reconcile that? -
Hohnson: Your post is spot on. I'm eager to see what kind of responses it generates.
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This is why I have a hard time believing anyone would want to be a christian - you've got people like weekender "praying" for Obama to fail, others like scientist3 claiming to know what god thinks. Right, I'll let you in on a little secret - you both look crazy - certifiably so. "High deficit spending?" It must be in romans somewhere, right?
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Exodus Boosts Efforts to Help Mainline Churches Address Homosexuality
jjdiogenes »Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:02 pm
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Daniel: So jesus came to fulfill the law? Great, then why aren't you in favor of the death penalty for homosexuality? The "law" calls for it.
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mathetes said: So if bad men (blaming God for what they did) wrote badly a few verses in the middle of a book, how do YOU determine which verses are from bad men and which are from God Himself?
How do you? You're claiming to know which commands are descriptive vs prescriptive. Clearly some of the best theologians of the 19th Century thought slavery was cool with god. -
mathetes: Actually Judges 11 is more of an indictment against god than Jephthah. Any kind of god that would accept that kind of oath is sick and certainly not "all loving."
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Creationists Reach Out to Teachers with Darwin Bibles
jjdiogenes »Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:48 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 0
bass: I am like you and am a former fundy who is now unsure of his belief in god or any of it. I have a hard time believing that the bible is any more than just a collection of stories and some history (much like Gone with the Wind - its about the Civil War which happened, but Frankly my dear, Scarlet probably didn't!). God clearly changes too much throughout the bible to be true. He kills babies, children and women in the OT, changes his mind a lot and if jesus did come to "fulfill the law, then cleary that includes many of the wacky stuff in leviticus.
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Creationists Reach Out to Teachers with Darwin Bibles
jjdiogenes »Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:45 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0
mathetes: Better brush up on your science definitions. Most scientists don't use the term "law" in a scientific sense (let alone say that a law is higher up than a theory) - they tend to use the word "theory." Yes, Newton used the word "law" when describing gravity but nowadays we wouldn't.
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Creationists Reach Out to Teachers with Darwin Bibles
jjdiogenes »Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:47 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0
believer, I won't quibble about the definition of credentials or its meaning in academics as bassomatic did a good job of that but I will ask, why bother saying both degrees and credentials if you are now suggesting they are the same thing?
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Creationists Reach Out to Teachers with Darwin Bibles
jjdiogenes »Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:45 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0
mathetes: wrong, wrong, wrong. Evolution isn't based on untestable / "unprovable assumptions." Irreducible complexity doesn't explain anything as no biological system has been shown to be "irreducibly complex" - not the bacterial flagellum, the blood clotting mechanisms or the eye. All of them are traceable both through our DNA and are seen in other species.
When you were learning about gravity, did they teach you that it was only a theory, that it has problems, that it has weaknesses? I doubt it.
In any event, evolution has a stronger base of scientific evidence than even many theories in physics - gravity being one of them. -
blacksho: And I suppose god ordering the death of babies in the OT, is okay as well, since it's "god's will," right? You're such a relatavist.
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Creationists Reach Out to Teachers with Darwin Bibles
jjdiogenes »Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:03 am Agree: 1 Disagree: 0
believer, same credentials? Same credentials? Show me - where is the peer reviewed research? Where are the studies? Where is it? Those are the things that give credentials in science. They may claim to have the same degrees from the same institutions my friend but they don't have the same credentials.
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Creationists Reach Out to Teachers with Darwin Bibles
jjdiogenes »Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:27 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0
believer: None of those "credentialed" scientists have published peer reviewed papers, done research / experiments or otherwise made a scientific contribution in evolution, ID, "creation science," or otherwise - you know that, I know that and so does everyone else. So stop touting that they have the same backgrounds - they clearly don't.
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Creationists Reach Out to Teachers with Darwin Bibles
jjdiogenes »Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:06 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 0
believer, you have been shown to be wrong about the credentials of "creation scientists" so why do you continue to bring it up. It's clear that you are a liar for jesus just like so many others. You know they don't have the same methods for arriving at their very different conclusions, they don't even define science the same way. How do you define science?
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Diseases: Creations of God or 'Intelligent Evil'?
jjdiogenes »Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:59 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 0
Daniel Paul: So, what medical breakthroughs has your wife made? With all due respect, that's like saying you can engineer a better car because your son is a mechanic!
Also, take a look at history, ever hear of a guy named Martin Luther? In addition to his 95 theses, he wrote a nice little treatise called "On the Jews and their Lies" which was a favorite of Hitler and the Nazis. -
Christian censors - ha! My comment was so short, I'll just keep reposting it . . .
Daniel Paul - you do realize that god didn't write the bible, man did, right? -
Flagged as inappropriate. show Daniel Paul - you do realize that god didn't write the bible, man did, correct? hide
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brit72, because he said "if you are a believer" which implies currently a believer, not once was.
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