Twisted, perverse and sick beyond words, with the ultimate goal attempting to thwart the word of God and corrupt and defile the church. They will not succeed.

Amen, igh, amen. I said that prayer with you. And wbmoore is right. The devil and his minions are in overdrive, right now. The hatred we are seeing for the Church of God and for the Christian faith is telling, and if we're not in the last days, then we're certainly very, very close. I see much Biblical prophecy beginning to be fulfilled in much of this. It is a dark time in the world...more

Amen, igh, amen. I said that prayer with you.

And wbmoore is right. The devil and his minions are in overdrive, right now. The hatred we are seeing for the Church of God and for the Christian faith is telling, and if we're not in the last days, then we're certainly very, very close. I see much Biblical prophecy beginning to be fulfilled in much of this. It is a dark time in the world for many believers and it's getting darker and darker for us here, in the West, too.less

chicago24-- What God calls abomination is still abomination, that's why he destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah. And we don't need to look to the Old Testament for what the condemnation of homosexuality. It is condemned in the New Testament in at least three different books.

chicago24-- Nice try, but Christians don't believe the Levitical laws regarding diet and culture apply. See the Book of Acts and Paul's Epistles. That was a comment made in ignorance.

Hear that sound my Christian brothers and sisters? Drip...drip...drip...

The Caner's are great guys. Emir's brother, Ergun, is a great apologist and he knows Islam inside and out so he can speak truth to Muslims and he isn't afraid to speak it, either. You can look up some of his videos about Isalm on "Godtube.com". Both of them are wonderful Christian men who understand persecution.

dreamcatalyst-- Maybe there are some men at the conference who have done what you say. Their efforts are noble, and I would not denigrate them. But I would remind them of the following, 2 Corinthians 6:14, "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?"

JHS-- I don't have to sell myself on anything. The War was completely justified. Bush didn't lie about anything, that is just the "big lie" that the left started shrieking from before the first bombs even dropped - "Bush Lied To Start A War For Oil"! - it became a leftist meme because the mainstream media gleefully picked up on it and everyone from the talking ...more

JHS--

I don't have to sell myself on anything. The War was completely justified. Bush didn't lie about anything, that is just the "big lie" that the left started shrieking from before the first bombs even dropped - "Bush Lied To Start A War For Oil"! - it became a leftist meme because the mainstream media gleefully picked up on it and everyone from the talking heads to the celebrity boob-of-the-week was reciting it like a mantra to the point that, just as Hitler said, you recite the big lie often enough, people believe it.

Now it is just that, a "meme", and it's no more true now than it was before the war began. It's a big, fat, leftist lie - it was then, and it is now. Bush acted on the best intelligence available, the same intelligence that Clinton's administration had that caused him to see Iraq as having WMD's and being a threat, the same intelligence that caused Kerry and Hillary to both strongly vote to support the War, before they voted against it. But then, the left likes to have it both ways, and hypocrisy is their middle name.

It's a lie. I repeat, it's a lie. Bush didn't lie about anything, and he didn't start a war for oil. He started a long war to stop Islamic aggression. He has bungled some of it badly, but his justification was right and true at the time. Iraq has over 76 billion dollars in oil profits and we have seen *none* of it. So where is all this oil money Bush and his henchmen have supposedly taken? Nowhere. Because it doesn't exist. Because it was never a war for oil, that was only the big, leftist lie.less

scitsonga-- So tell me what such a brilliant, jaded, agnostic is doing trolling a Christian message board?

wrhalver-- Oh, I recognize who we're truly up against. And the religion he created is called Islam. One need only look at the God they call "Allah" in the Koran to see what he is like. He bears no similarity to the Judeo-Christian God whatsoever, not in the Old or New Testament. Christians should have nothing to do with Islam apart from trying to save as many Muslims as possib...more

wrhalver--

Oh, I recognize who we're truly up against. And the religion he created is called Islam. One need only look at the God they call "Allah" in the Koran to see what he is like. He bears no similarity to the Judeo-Christian God whatsoever, not in the Old or New Testament.

Christians should have nothing to do with Islam apart from trying to save as many Muslims as possible by leading them to Christ. That's it.less

Amen, brother Sookhdeo, about time someone spoke up and told it like it is! I am so tired of seeing Christians playing the good dhimmi in the face of Islamic aggression and intimidation. Christians need to stop trying to "understand" Islam and spend more time *standing up* to Islam. Islam is responsible for the worst persecutions of Christians around the world and it's time Christi...more

Amen, brother Sookhdeo, about time someone spoke up and told it like it is! I am so tired of seeing Christians playing the good dhimmi in the face of Islamic aggression and intimidation. Christians need to stop trying to "understand" Islam and spend more time *standing up* to Islam. Islam is responsible for the worst persecutions of Christians around the world and it's time Christians start saying so, vocally and courageously.less

JHS-- No, evangelicals believe in the *real* Jesus. A Jesus who does not support abortion, especially live-birth infanticide. You might want to check on the record of your liberal Jesus-Light Messiah. The Republicans are not perfect, nor are they "God's Party", but they certainly do not support moral evil. (And before you launch a leftist tirade about "THE WAR"...more

JHS--

No, evangelicals believe in the *real* Jesus. A Jesus who does not support abortion, especially live-birth infanticide. You might want to check on the record of your liberal Jesus-Light Messiah. The Republicans are not perfect, nor are they "God's Party", but they certainly do not support moral evil.

(And before you launch a leftist tirade about "THE WAR", know that I supported the War and still do. And I'll save you the typing - no, the War has nothing to do with oil or Haliburton or Cheney, it has to do with Islamic aggression, so just stop before you even go there.)less

The persecution of Christians is ramping up. Drip, drip, drip...it starts with these petty little harassments, then it slowly expands to hate speech laws, etc. Eventually it will be restrictions on building churches, repairing churches - using noise ordinances, zoning ordinances, and ultimately government harassment through the removal of tax-free status, punitive taxation on congregations, etc. J...more

The persecution of Christians is ramping up. Drip, drip, drip...it starts with these petty little harassments, then it slowly expands to hate speech laws, etc. Eventually it will be restrictions on building churches, repairing churches - using noise ordinances, zoning ordinances, and ultimately government harassment through the removal of tax-free status, punitive taxation on congregations, etc. Just like in majority Muslim nations.

Christians are witnessing the slow, deliberate assault on their faith - and it begins with these seemingly small, localized, petty discriminations. But one only need take a look north of our border to see what's coming next, especially under a radical Obama administration. Hate crime laws will be next, and used to punish any Christian who speaks out against homosexuality and "human rights tribunals".less

"...in 25 years, no one will be reading it." One should remind Mr. Dever that Voltaire held a Bible over his head and said that in 100 years no one would be reading it. Less than 50 years later, the Geneva Bible Society was publishing Bibles in what was once Voltaire's home.

And now we'll have to haul out the big guys on our side who can knock down all this rubbish from Dever & the atheist-socialists at PBS.

JHS-- Just substitute "blacks" or "latinos" for the word "evangelicals" in your post and see how it reads then, see how much you like it. (it's "wander" not "wonder", btw). Your post reads like warmed over, regurgitated, leftist pablum straight out of the secular-liberal playbook. As for Obama, evangelicals are not voting for h...more

JHS--

Just substitute "blacks" or "latinos" for the word "evangelicals" in your post and see how it reads then, see how much you like it. (it's "wander" not "wonder", btw). Your post reads like warmed over, regurgitated, leftist pablum straight out of the secular-liberal playbook.

As for Obama, evangelicals are not voting for him for one simple reason: they know a wolf in sheep's clothing when they see one. Evangelicals believe in the real Jesus.less

It wouldn't surprise me that McLaren is a fan of the apostate Williams. Two peas in a pod.

Obama is ahead of McCain within the statistical margin of error - 3%. The latest poll has it 1%. And these are "registered voters". When "likely voters" are screened, it's McCain on top by 47% to 43%. Obama should be miles ahead of McCain by this point in the campaign. Kerry was 10+ points ahead of Bush at this point in the campaign. Gore was farther ahead of Bush at t...more

Obama is ahead of McCain within the statistical margin of error - 3%. The latest poll has it 1%. And these are "registered voters". When "likely voters" are screened, it's McCain on top by 47% to 43%.

Obama should be miles ahead of McCain by this point in the campaign. Kerry was 10+ points ahead of Bush at this point in the campaign. Gore was farther ahead of Bush at this point, and Dukakis was too, against Bush, Sr.

Public opinion is turning against Obama and this is what you're seeing in the polls. By election day, McCain will be up by 6% or more over Obama. Mark my words. Obama is going to lose in a landslide. The more the public sees him, the more they don't like him. (Check out the latest polls to see how his negative/positives are breaking, especially among younger voters. People are measuring up the Obamessiah and deciding "no".)less

St. Johns-- You have no idea what "judge not, lest be(sic) judged" means, do you? Jesus didn't say not to judge, he said don't judge hypocritically. A little reading comprehension would go a long way for you. And no, it is not good for man to be alone. That's why God mad woman for him. He made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, to quote an oldie but go...more

St. Johns--

You have no idea what "judge not, lest be(sic) judged" means, do you? Jesus didn't say not to judge, he said don't judge hypocritically. A little reading comprehension would go a long way for you.

And no, it is not good for man to be alone. That's why God mad woman for him. He made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, to quote an oldie but goodie. He did not intend men to commit sodomy and call it equal to what he made. That's blasphemy, and that's why God calls homosexuality abomination. Because it *is* abomination.less

Williams needs to step down, he is not fit to be Archbishop of Canterbury.